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Blain

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A lot of the Bible is actual quite literal. There is symbolism, yes, but you cannot understand the symbol unless you understand the literal example it's based off of course.

And no Isaiah 14 is not about Satan at all, it's about the king of Babylon.
True a lot of the bible is literal and it requires understanding and discernemnt to know when symbolism is used and when it is not menat to be used. However for Isaih 14 you can look at it as literal or look at it as symbolic but the fact that you can look at it symbolically and it can actually fit into place as bible prophecy is usually a good incater that it is meant to be both literal and symbolic not meant to be one or the other. not just any part of the bible is like that often times it is either literal or symbolic rarely is it both bible prophecy tends to be both literal and symbolic, just because you cannot see the symbolism doesn't mean it isn't there.
Of course it is possible you see the symbolism but refuse to accept it as bible prophecy in which case that is your choice as to what you choose to accept as biblical truth or not
 

Blain

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So has anyone ever blown on your face during a small prayer group and you fell ever too weak to stand? My friend witnessed this who is also visiting this church.
witness or experienced? also did they have dragons breath?
 
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True a lot of the bible is literal and it requires understanding and discernemnt to know when symbolism is used and when it is not menat to be used. However for Isaih 14 you can look at it as literal or look at it as symbolic but the fact that you can look at it symbolically and it can actually fit into place as bible prophecy is usually a good incater that it is meant to be both literal and symbolic not meant to be one or the other. not just any part of the bible is like that often times it is either literal or symbolic rarely is it both bible prophecy tends to be both literal and symbolic, just because you cannot see the symbolism doesn't mean it isn't there.
Of course it is possible you see the symbolism but refuse to accept it as bible prophecy in which case that is your choice as to what you choose to accept as biblical truth or not
Look at it as it is.

I accept the true prophecy of Isaiah 14, it's about Nebuchadnezzar very clearly. It's astoundingly accurate too when you consider Isaiah lived in the time of King Hezekiah and Nebuchadnezzar would become king of Babylon around the time of Jehoiakim.
 

Roughsoul1991

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witness or experienced? also did they have dragons breath?
They witnessed it. The guy was being prayed over for healing a broken leg.

Kinda strange. I know Jesus did some odd things and then a miracle occurred but in every situation the person was immediately healed.
 

Dino246

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The Three Lies themselves are the demons. That's the spirit of the devils. If you read the whole Bible, and I mean all of it, it's very easy to see.
Dead wrong. I have read the whole Bible many times, and your assertion is complete bunk.

Jesus cast demons out of people, as did Paul. They didn't cast out "lies".
 
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Dead wrong. I have read the whole Bible many times, and your assertion is complete bunk.

Jesus cast demons out of people, as did Paul. They didn't cast out "lies".
Yes they did. The demons can't stand against the Sword of Truth, no lie can.
 

Dino246

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The word spirit means breath. The word devils, which is another word for demons, means lies.
The word for breath is ruach in Hebrew and rhema in Greek. Both words also mean "spirit"; the meaning in each case is determined by context. In English, "spirit" does not mean "breath".

The word devil comes from the Greek diabolos while the word demon comes from the Greek daimon. They simply are not the same word, or the same thing. You cannot simply switch them without corrupting the meaning of the text.
 

Dino246

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The Bible absolutely tells you where the demons come from. It's the Three Lies, the the three unclean spirits in the mouth of Satan. We even know the dragon gives his power to the Man of Sin and the idol which is in the image of the beast.

Look in the Garden, we know Satan is the serpent from scriptures, we know he's father of sin, the first sinner, the first murderer, and the father of lies. We know he is an animal that was made by God. We even see him break his breath into the Three Lies and cast them into the woman. The woman is the first possession, we are shown that she is possessed because we are shown what she is thinking.

The context Jesus is speaking to them in is they claim Jesus is casting out devils by power of devils, which is insane. Jesus then tells them Satan cannot fight his own kingdom, and he tells them that the blasphemy of Holy Spirit is unforgiveable sin.
The Bible does not tell us that demons are the three lies.

The Bible does not tell us that Satan is an animal.

The Bible does not tell us that Satan cast three lies into the woman.

The Bible does not tell us that the woman was possessed.

Where do you get this hogwash? Which false teacher are you plagiarizing?
 
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The Bible does not tell us that demons are the three lies.

The Bible does not tell us that Satan is an animal.

The Bible does not tell us that Satan cast three lies into the woman.

The Bible does not tell us that the woman was possessed.

Where do you get this hogwash? Which false teacher are you plagiarizing?
Yes it does, go back a few pages I posted the verse about the spirit of devils.

Yes it does, Genesis 3.

Yes it does Genesis 3 right after the serpent casts the Three Lies into her mind.

I get it from the Bible.

No false teacher, the Holy Spirit never lies.
 

Amanuensis

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So has anyone ever blown on your face during a small prayer group and you fell ever too weak to stand? My friend witnessed this who is also visiting this church.
People can make themselves feel things like that from emotional hype. Why does feeling weak in the knees or fainting make one think "Wow.. that was the Spirit of the Lord?" Oh yeah? What was the Spirit wanting to do for you? Make you pass out? To what purpose?

While they were in a state of relaxing on the floor and thinking about God they got freed from a habit? I don't think so.

OK walk it out. What? They are back in the habit next week? Apparently fainting is not the answer.

Maybe back to the scriptural pattern of resisting the devil and submitting to God is in order.

That is a walk of sanctification that has to be walked out in the moment of temptation. Knowing that God has made a way of escape and that you can trust Him that nothing is too hard for you to resist while yielding to the Spirit for power to obey. And Obey you will. One temptation at a time until you are strong in that area you were once weak in.

There is no shortcut.

Look at Jesus in the Wilderness tempted by the devil and do what he did. "It is Written".

We don't get to have someone blow on us or lay hands on us and Voila! we are strong without needing to go through the process of resisting the devil and submitting to God.

It is a circus act, a sham, even if they believe it is real, it is a waste of time, wood, hay, stubble.

Every person who falls down and lays on the floor, and every person who pretends that snakes are coming out of their ears are still going to have to say "No! to the devil in the moment of temptation and Yes! to God even if there is suffering involved, knowing that God has made a way of escape.

And sure, some who go to these deliverance events might testify about how they got over some besetting sin later, but ask them if they are honest they will tell you that it was "easier to say No to the temptation, and submit to God" but they still had to walk it out just the same way everyone else does who do not go to these events or have deliverance prayers over them.

The reason it is easier the next time they face the temptation is because during all that deliverance ministry stuff they have made various prayers and commitments to God that they are going to fight the fight and use the weapons of our warfare like the word of God when tempted, and they are ready and willing to do so when the temptation comes. It was not that they were delivered from a demon it was they that they set their heart to be serious about resisting the devil and submitting to God. They started making it a life and death issue. Anyone who gets serious like that and starts DOING The word in the moment of temptation will overcome without going to an event where a person who is pretending to be a celebrity prays for them.

The deliverance ministries that have come and gone since the 80s are feeding on the hype of emotional well meaning seekers but they don't replace the necessity to resist the devil and submit to God.

No one get's a short cut.

As long as someone can bool meetings and make money doing deliverance ministries it will be around. But they are not necessary. Teach the people how to Love God and hate sin and go through the battle we all have to face to get strong and you will have delivered and overcoming saints.

Did Jesus tell any of the seven churches to hold deliverance meetings? There is personal responsibility involved in deliverance and no talking to fallen angels about it is necessary. The only think you need to tell the devil is "It Is Written followed by a relevant scripture to your temptation. Do that and you will soon have the devil flee from you and the Grace of God will strengthen, settle and establish you in that area.
 

Roughsoul1991

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So I bought Jake's book about can a Christian have a demon. My goal is to counter research his interpretation. So far I came across this.

My interlinear Bible says the opposite so which is it?

1139. daimonizomai
Strong's Concordance
daimonizomai: to be possessed by a demon​
Original Word: δαιμονίζομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: daimonizomai
Phonetic Spelling: (dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee)
Definition: to be possessed by a demon
Usage: I am possessed, am under the power of an evil-spirit or demon.​
 

Roughsoul1991

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People can make themselves feel things like that from emotional hype. Why does feeling weak in the knees or fainting make one think "Wow.. that was the Spirit of the Lord?" Oh yeah? What was the Spirit wanting to do for you? Make you pass out? To what purpose?

While they were in a state of relaxing on the floor and thinking about God they got freed from a habit? I don't think so.

OK walk it out. What? They are back in the habit next week? Apparently fainting is not the answer.

Maybe back to the scriptural pattern of resisting the devil and submitting to God is in order.

That is a walk of sanctification that has to be walked out in the moment of temptation. Knowing that God has made a way of escape and that you can trust Him that nothing is too hard for you to resist while yielding to the Spirit for power to obey. And Obey you will. One temptation at a time until you are strong in that area you were once weak in.

There is no shortcut.

Look at Jesus in the Wilderness tempted by the devil and do what he did. "It is Written".

We don't get to have someone blow on us or lay hands on us and Voila! we are strong without needing to go through the process of resisting the devil and submitting to God.

It is a circus act, a sham, even if they believe it is real, it is a waste of time, wood, hay, stubble.

Every person who falls down and lays on the floor, and every person who pretends that snakes are coming out of their ears are still going to have to say "No! to the devil in the moment of temptation and Yes! to God even if there is suffering involved, knowing that God has made a way of escape.

And sure, some who go to these deliverance events might testify about how they got over some besetting sin later, but ask them if they are honest they will tell you that it was "easier to say No to the temptation, and submit to God" but they still had to walk it out just the same way everyone else does who do not go to these events or have deliverance prayers over them.

The reason it is easier the next time they face the temptation is because during all that deliverance ministry stuff they have made various prayers and commitments to God that they are going to fight the fight and use the weapons of our warfare like the word of God when tempted, and they are ready and willing to do so when the temptation comes. It was not that they were delivered from a demon it was they that they set their heart to be serious about resisting the devil and submitting to God. They started making it a life and death issue. Anyone who gets serious like that and starts DOING The word in the moment of temptation will overcome without going to an event where a person who is pretending to be a celebrity prays for them.

The deliverance ministries that have come and gone since the 80s are feeding on the hype of emotional well meaning seekers but they don't replace the necessity to resist the devil and submit to God.

No one get's a short cut.

As long as someone can bool meetings and make money doing deliverance ministries it will be around. But they are not necessary. Teach the people how to Love God and hate sin and go through the battle we all have to face to get strong and you will have delivered and overcoming saints.

Did Jesus tell any of the seven churches to hold deliverance meetings? There is personal responsibility involved in deliverance and no talking to fallen angels about it is necessary. The only think you need to tell the devil is "It Is Written followed by a relevant scripture to your temptation. Do that and you will soon have the devil flee from you and the Grace of God will strengthen, settle and establish you in that area.
Lol you must have experienced this because I sense more zealous for the truth.
 

Amanuensis

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Lol you must have experienced this because I sense more zealous for the truth.
I have been around deliverance ministries since the 80s when the book "Pigs in the Parlor" made these things famous. I have watched brothers close to me pretend to growl like demons while others prayed over them to be delivered from demons of lust, and etc.. They confessed that they were acting because they were told that was how to do it right.

I even remember a story about someone telling a fat person that they had the spirit of the Frito Bandito! I think that was one of the stories that made me realize it had gone off the deep end. LOL (these young folks don't know nothing about the Frito Bandito)

However, if people are seriously crying out to God to be freed from besetting sins, repenting, devoting themselves to obedience to Christ and learning how to walk that out, then I would not be too concerned about the flaky things that might go on here and there, as long as it gets turned back to the truth of faith in Christ and being filled with the Spirit and how to yield our members and instruments of righteousness so that we become slaves of righteousness in the end that will be what gives them the victory.

We don't have a problem of too many misguided deliverance ministries in the world today. We have too many Christians that tolerate sin in their lives with no remorse. There is too much suffocating indifference to the holiness of God. If deliverance ministries result in people repenting and getting freed from sins because they take them serious then so be it.

Snatch them out of the fire hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Jesus is coming and only those who are living a holy life will be ready.
 

Dino246

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Yes it does, go back a few pages I posted the verse about the spirit of devils.

Yes it does, Genesis 3.

Yes it does Genesis 3 right after the serpent casts the Three Lies into her mind.

I get it from the Bible.

No false teacher, the Holy Spirit never lies.
Wrong.
Wrong.
Impossible, because it isn't there.
Whoever is teaching you this codswollop definitely isn't the Holy Spirit.
 

Blain

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They witnessed it. The guy was being prayed over for healing a broken leg.

Kinda strange. I know Jesus did some odd things and then a miracle occurred but in every situation the person was immediately healed.
I thought so, I was afraid of that. You will likely see a lot of strange things like that in a church such as the one your in a lot of seizing up as if having a seizure falling down after being slapped on the forehead ect. it's all fake and for show and it's all unbiblical as well, I had my suspicions at first but now I really am concerned.
 

Dino246

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So I bought Jake's book about can a Christian have a demon. My goal is to counter research his interpretation. So far I came across this.

My interlinear Bible says the opposite so which is it?

1139. daimonizomai
Strong's Concordance​
daimonizomai: to be possessed by a demon

Original Word: δαιμονίζομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: daimonizomai
Phonetic Spelling: (dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee)
Definition: to be possessed by a demon
Usage: I am possessed, am under the power of an evil-spirit or demon.​
Bear in mind that Strong's gives definitions of words as they are used in the KJV. It is not a standard dictionary of words. The KJV translators were wrong to use "devils" where "demons" is in the Greek, and they were wrong to use "demon-possessed" as your article shows.
 

Blain

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Wrong.
Wrong.
Impossible, because it isn't there.
Whoever is teaching you this codswollop definitely isn't the Holy Spirit.
To be honest I don't think he has the holy spirit I don't know him that well yet but from what i have gathered I don't think he knows the holy spirit.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Bear in mind that Strong's gives definitions of words as they are used in the KJV. It is not a standard dictionary of words. The KJV translators were wrong to use "devils" where "demons" is in the Greek, and they were wrong to use "demon-possessed" as your article shows.
What is a better source or multiple sources to compare? The book hinges on this and the concept that idols (demons) were brought into the physical temple of God so he believes a Christian can also give home to demons in the bodily temple.