sacramental principle as posted above.
You deny the existence of absurd legalism in fundamentalist and evangelical circles? Exactly which rite and ritual do you object to? Try to be specific. The charge of legalism over Mass cards is just ignorance.
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It appears you know there were no children or infants on the basis of speculation and a redefinition of "household". Did the Jews circumcise 8 day old babies, and is baptism not the New Circumcision?? Or does Judaism not count? The inferences are strong, and there is no verse forbidding the baptism of infants. Parents promise to raise the child in the faith, which is part of baptism.
So there were no rules? If not, that might explain the anarchy Protestantism finds itself regarding baptism.
Catholics baptize adults too, after sufficient instruction. An 8 day old baby can't repent to enter God's covenant, but they did.
Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized” (“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.
Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants.
Luke 1:59 - this proves that "teknon" includes infants. Here, John as a "teknon" (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21 which uses “teknon” for eight-day old babies. So baptism is for infants as well as adults.
Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.
Have you abandoned the doctrine of Original Sin? Both actual and original sin are removed as an adult at baptism. Original Sin was not acquired by informed consent, therefore it can be removed without informed consent, as with babies.
see above And you are 100% certain that by having an experience of Jesus outside the church walls
that Jesus is not there?
I applaud them but it's not a sacrament and there is no forgiveness of sins. 50 stands.
The marriage was not valid. Protestant pastors have no annulment mechanism and risk marrying divorcees into an adulterous relationship. Pointing out the worst Catholic you know as an example is hardly fair. I knew a woman who was frequently getting beaten and her pastor told her to "be a good Christian wife" and stay with him.
52. Protestantism doesn't believe procreation to be the primary purpose and benefit of marriage (it isn't part of the vows, as in Catholic matrimony), contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Gen 1:28; Gen 28:3, Ps 107:38; Ps 127:3-5).
Well, I could care less about "tradition" but leaning on Genesis and Psalms, with NO New Testament verses tells me something wrong there. Of course, there is the simple fact that there was no birth control available in those days, but we have it today. Oops, that is the next wrong point! I think the purpose of marriage is ultimately to glorify God since he tells us he made us for his glory.
"everyone who is called by my name
whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed and made.” Is a. 43:7
Marriage is a covenant union of a man and a woman for the purpose of committing to each other in companionship, provision of good and shelter, sexual privileges, children and protection.
[/QUOTE] Genosis 1: "Be fruitful, and multiply, except when it is inconvenient." Children potentially glorify God for an eternity, plus their offspring. That's a lot of glorifying, and much of it God won't see. What will He do about it? Contraception and abortion are evils of the same root.
Lots of Catholics ignore the Church's teaching on sexuality. It doesn't make them right.
A shameful scandal. The worst crisis in Church history. This is from an American source:
We know from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice investigation into this matter that almost all of the cases of the sexual abuse of minors that took place in Catholic institutions occurred between 1965 and 1985. By contrast, in the last five years, the average number of credible accusations made against 40,000 priests is exactly 7.6. Quite frankly, there is no entity in the United States today, private or public, that can match this record..
I'm willing to do the research and do a sex scandal comparison with Protestant and Catholic clergy IN THE LAST 5 YEARS. But I won't enjoy it, even though I'm confident that Protestant clergy CANNOT MATCH THE CATHOLIC RECORD.
The Catholic Church's record of aggressive and proactive protective measures is unparalleled in any organization today. Since the beginning of the abuse crisis, the Catholic Church:
Protestant "liberals" supporting abortion:
You deny the existence of absurd legalism in fundamentalist and evangelical circles? Exactly which rite and ritual do you object to? Try to be specific. The charge of legalism over Mass cards is just ignorance.
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It appears you know there were no children or infants on the basis of speculation and a redefinition of "household". Did the Jews circumcise 8 day old babies, and is baptism not the New Circumcision?? Or does Judaism not count? The inferences are strong, and there is no verse forbidding the baptism of infants. Parents promise to raise the child in the faith, which is part of baptism.
So there were no rules? If not, that might explain the anarchy Protestantism finds itself regarding baptism.
Catholics baptize adults too, after sufficient instruction. An 8 day old baby can't repent to enter God's covenant, but they did.
Acts 2:38 - Peter says to the multitude, "Repent and be baptized.." Protestants use this verse to prove one must be a believer (not an infant) to be baptized. But the Greek translation literally says, "If you repent, then each one who is a part of you and yours must each be baptized” (“Metanoesate kai bapistheto hekastos hymon.”) This, contrary to what Protestants argue, actually proves that babies are baptized based on their parents’ faith. This is confirmed in the next verse.
Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants.
Luke 1:59 - this proves that "teknon" includes infants. Here, John as a "teknon" (infant) was circumcised. See also Acts 21:21 which uses “teknon” for eight-day old babies. So baptism is for infants as well as adults.
Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized the entire house of Cornelius, which generally included infants and young children. There is not one word in Scripture about baptism being limited to adults.
Have you abandoned the doctrine of Original Sin? Both actual and original sin are removed as an adult at baptism. Original Sin was not acquired by informed consent, therefore it can be removed without informed consent, as with babies.
see above And you are 100% certain that by having an experience of Jesus outside the church walls
that Jesus is not there?
I applaud them but it's not a sacrament and there is no forgiveness of sins. 50 stands.
The marriage was not valid. Protestant pastors have no annulment mechanism and risk marrying divorcees into an adulterous relationship. Pointing out the worst Catholic you know as an example is hardly fair. I knew a woman who was frequently getting beaten and her pastor told her to "be a good Christian wife" and stay with him.
52. Protestantism doesn't believe procreation to be the primary purpose and benefit of marriage (it isn't part of the vows, as in Catholic matrimony), contrary to Christian Tradition and the Bible (Gen 1:28; Gen 28:3, Ps 107:38; Ps 127:3-5).
Well, I could care less about "tradition" but leaning on Genesis and Psalms, with NO New Testament verses tells me something wrong there. Of course, there is the simple fact that there was no birth control available in those days, but we have it today. Oops, that is the next wrong point! I think the purpose of marriage is ultimately to glorify God since he tells us he made us for his glory.
"everyone who is called by my name
whom I created for my glory,
whom I formed and made.” Is a. 43:7
Marriage is a covenant union of a man and a woman for the purpose of committing to each other in companionship, provision of good and shelter, sexual privileges, children and protection.
[/QUOTE] Genosis 1: "Be fruitful, and multiply, except when it is inconvenient." Children potentially glorify God for an eternity, plus their offspring. That's a lot of glorifying, and much of it God won't see. What will He do about it? Contraception and abortion are evils of the same root.
Lots of Catholics ignore the Church's teaching on sexuality. It doesn't make them right.
A shameful scandal. The worst crisis in Church history. This is from an American source:
We know from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice investigation into this matter that almost all of the cases of the sexual abuse of minors that took place in Catholic institutions occurred between 1965 and 1985. By contrast, in the last five years, the average number of credible accusations made against 40,000 priests is exactly 7.6. Quite frankly, there is no entity in the United States today, private or public, that can match this record..
I'm willing to do the research and do a sex scandal comparison with Protestant and Catholic clergy IN THE LAST 5 YEARS. But I won't enjoy it, even though I'm confident that Protestant clergy CANNOT MATCH THE CATHOLIC RECORD.
The Catholic Church's record of aggressive and proactive protective measures is unparalleled in any organization today. Since the beginning of the abuse crisis, the Catholic Church:
- has instituted a "zero tolerance" policy in which any credibly accused priest is immediately removed from ministry. Law enforcement is also notified;
- has trained over 5 million children in giving them skills to protect them from abuse;
- has trained over 2 million adults, including 99 percent of all priests, in recognizing signs of abuse;
- has conducted over 2 million background checks, including those in the intensified screening process for aspiring seminarians and priests;
- has installed "Victim Assistance Coordinators" in every diocese, "assuring victims that they will be heard";
- has conducted annual independent audits of all dioceses to monitor compliance with the groundbreaking 2002 Charter for Protection of Children and Young People;
- has instituted in all dioceses abuse review boards – often composed of child welfare experts, child psychologists, and abuse experts – to examine any claims of abuse against priests.
Protestant "liberals" supporting abortion:
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