Modern Day Prophets

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eternally-gratefull

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pickles said:
I wasnt upset with zone, just wanted to make sure she did not misunderstand what was spoken to.:)

The one thing that causes me to consider and seek truth in this, is simply that satan comes to steal.
He is the imposter.
So, one has to consider that since satan has so many imposters, it must be because he wants to steal the truth when it is given.
Looking to Jesus always does bring truth, praise God for this! :)
God bless.
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The problem is, many people think they are looking to Jesus, and Jesus supports their doctrines. But it is not Jesus they are actually listening to. it is satan coming to look like Jesus. and leading them astray. If there are not "checks and balances" we can not know for sure it is Jesus who is speaking.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The problem is, many people think they are looking to Jesus, and Jesus supports their doctrines. But it is not Jesus they are actually listening to. it is satan coming to look like Jesus. and leading them astray. If there are not "checks and balances" we can not know for sure it is Jesus who is speaking.
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His sheep know His voice. I guess your not one of His eg
 
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eternally-gratefull

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4runner said:
His sheep know His voice. I guess your not one of His eg
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I guess everyone in all denominations, in all gospels, and in all teachings who confess Jesus as lord are his sheep. This would include catholic, Lutheran, baptist, Pentecostal, methodust. and even all non denomination who do not even teach the same gospel. For they all call themselves his sheep. And all claim to hear his voice. But they can not even agree.

Yep. Nice try! You have failed yet again to prove your point.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
I guess everyone in all denominations, in all gospels, and in all teachings who confess Jesus as lord are his sheep. This would include catholic, Lutheran, baptist, Pentecostal, methodust. and even all non denomination who do not even teach the same gospel. For they all call themselves his sheep. And all claim to hear his voice. But they can not even agree.

Yep. Nice try! You have failed yet again to prove your point.
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Those that hear and know Jesus are His sheep, most of the people you named, including yourself are not.
 
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4runner said:
Those that hear and know Jesus are His sheep, most of the people you named, including yourself are not.
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Go back to Matt 5 start again, it will sink in
 
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eternally-gratefull

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4runner said:
Those that hear and know Jesus are His sheep, most of the people you named, including yourself are not.
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lol whatever dude. You should listen to yourself sometime. the only one your fooling is yourself. (and maybe some poor souls who do not know much)

Using this as an excuse to say what you hear is from God. and whateveryone else hears can't be from God is just in error. It is called blindness!
 
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Abiding said:
what is your motivation?
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I want to pray with you and ask God if we should just refrain from any correspondance with this poster, 4runner. It seems that he is being difficult and a trouble-maker on purpose. It seems the more we tango with him the more we become entangled with foolishness. It is 1:40 pm and I am going to pray on my knees and expect God to give an answer through grace and truth.

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eternally-gratefull said:
lol whatever dude. You should listen to yourself sometime. the only one your fooling is yourself. (and maybe some poor souls who do not know much)

Using this as an excuse to say what you hear is from God. and whateveryone else hears can't be from God is just in error. It is called blindness!
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Hey EG, I would love to get all of our resident prophets in separate rooms and give them a questionaire of ten questions pertaining to biblical doctrine. It would be very amusing to see the variety of answers that would result from their "prophetic utterances".

At the end of the day, due to the conflicting answers received, you would find that each of the "prophets" would declare that only they were the "sheep" who heard the voice of Jesus.
 
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superdave5221 said:
Hey EG, I would love to get all of our resident prophets in separate rooms and give them a questionaire of ten questions pertaining to biblical doctrine. It would be very amusing to see the variety of answers that would result from their "prophetic utterances".

At the end of the day, due to the conflicting answers received, you would find that each of the "prophets" would declare that only they were the "sheep" who heard the voice of Jesus.
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exactly. Which is the point I have been making. Thank you for making it more clear!

of course they would all say scripture supports them also. so where would we be left?.
 
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Red33 said:
I want to pray with you and ask God if we should just refrain from any correspondance with this poster, 4runner. It seems that he is being difficult and a trouble-maker on purpose. It seems the more we tango with him the more we become entangled with foolishness. It is 1:40 pm and I am going to pray on my knees and expect God to give an answer through grace and truth.

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I had already, but i just had the question. Yes red, my prayers are with yours. amen
 
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superdave5221 said:
Hey EG, I would love to get all of our resident prophets in separate rooms and give them a questionaire of ten questions pertaining to biblical doctrine. It would be very amusing to see the variety of answers that would result from their "prophetic utterances".

At the end of the day, due to the conflicting answers received, you would find that each of the "prophets" would declare that only they were the "sheep" who heard the voice of Jesus.
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I will ask you a prophet's question and if you get it right. Then I will answer one of your questions.
Q: Does Jesus allow divorce and remarriage in Matthew 5 and Matthew 19?
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
I will ask you a prophet's question and if you get it right. Then I will answer one of your questions.
Q: Does Jesus allow divorce and remarriage in Matthew 5 and Matthew 19?
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I will humor you only briefly.

Matthew 5: 31"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19: 1 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ?6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."7 "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." 11 Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

The above are the verses you speak of. I do not claim to be a prophet. However, it seems clear here that while divorce for any reason displeases God, Jesus follows Moses example and allows it for reasons of unfaithfulness.

There were two schools of thought at this time concerning divorce. Rabbi Shammai taught that divorce was allowable only for sexual impropriety. Rabbi Hillel however taught that you could divorce for almost any reason.

In the above passages, Jesus confirms that Rabbi Shammai's interpretation of the law was the correct one.
 
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superdave5221 said:
I will humor you only briefly.

Matthew 5: 31"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.'32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19: 1 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?" 4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ?6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."7 "Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"8 Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."10 The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." 11 Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

The above are the verses you speak of. I do not claim to be a prophet. However, it seems clear here that while divorce for any reason displeases God, Jesus follows Moses example and allows it for reasons of unfaithfulness.

There were two schools of thought at this time concerning divorce. Rabbi Shammai taught that divorce was allowable only for sexual impropriety. Rabbi Hillel however taught that you could divorce for almost any reason.

In the above passages, Jesus confirms that Rabbi Shammai's interpretation of the law was the correct one.
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So Jesus doesn't allow divorce and remarriage. What is your question?
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
So Jesus doesn't allow divorce and remarriage. What is your question?
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That was not my answer.

Why do we need prophets to reveal God's will for us today when we have the Spirit of Christ within us?

Romans 8: 9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

What can you tell us that Jesus Himself cannot? You claim to speak to Christian believers. And yet, the above tells us that All Christian believers have the Spirit of Christ. We also have Christ's Church! And we need you as well? Explain.

 
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superdave5221 said:
That was not my answer.

Why do we need prophets to reveal God's will for us today when we have the Spirit of Christ within us?

Romans 8: 9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

What can you tell us that Jesus Himself cannot? You claim to speak to Christian believers. And yet, the above tells us that All Christian believers have the Spirit of Christ. We also have Christ's Church! And we need you as well? Explain.

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I'm afraid you need to read Matthew 5 and Matthew 19 again. Jesus doesn't allow the divorced to remarry. He doesn't allow divorce unless there is fornication is only half of what He taught. Those who are divorced can't be remarried.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
I'm afraid you need to read Matthew 5 and Matthew 19 again. Jesus doesn't allow the divorced to remarry. He doesn't allow divorce unless there is fornication is only half of what He taught. Those who are divorced can't be remarried.
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Nice move. You left yourself an out. By purposefully misinterpreting my answer, you could test the waters. If I asked an easy question, you would answer. If not, you could also claim my answer was incorrect.

I don't really have time to play these games. This is serious stuff!

Do not be deceived. If you are claiming to speak for God, when God is silent, you may wish for the inhabitants of Sodom's place in Hell against your reward.

God will not be mocked!
 
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My prophecys are from God. Like tongues and interpretation. I know they are 100% sure.
 
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I'll give a true situation that involved a Christian married couple. After (10) yrs of marriage the husband left his wife and got divorce two years later. Seven months prior to the divorce the separated wife has an affair with a married man and gets pregnant. Everybody thinks that the child belongs to the separated husband but he has no idea what happened. The separated husband is not reconciled to his wife and is remarried to another woman. The ex-wife is also remarried to another man who is not the father of her child.

You say what a mess and God says .... How does God look upon this and how does restoration take place for all parties? Can they be restored to God and function as Spirit-filled believers through God's mercy and grace? Did the cross pay for all sin involved in this situation and if all sin has been paid for how should these parties respond and how should those not involved, but know of the situation, respond to these parties? According to your understanding of the scriptures what do you say?
 
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