Modern Day Prophets

eternally-gratefull · Aug 6, 2011

It is amazing how people are not willing to try to understand where others are coming from, and suddenly condemn their views. If you want to try to encourange someone to believe differently, then it may be a good idea to at least give scriptures.

Also, I have seen where some have taken others posts and completely taken them out of context and distorted what they are really trying to say.

Also, all I did was make the thread. I pasted info from ONE website and therefore did not give myself credit for this opinion in the OP. None of you know whether or not I believe in modern day prophets or not. I just set the foundation for the discussion, and asked peoples views.

So now, let's discuss the defintion of a PROPHET.

In religion, a prophet, from the Greek word προφήτης profitis meaning "foreteller", is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.

Another term for a prophet would be a seer, or fortuneteller. In Christianity the word most commonly used is PROPHET.
We all know there are TONE of "psychics" out there, and if you have to pay money to get your fortune told then it is bogus anyway.

Now. If God wants to call on someone and give them a message to go out and preach to a crowd then he will. After all he is God, and God will do what he wants. God answers prayers, and his presence is made to me everyday. Am I a prophet? No. Do I recieve "signs" from God that tell the future of our fates? No.

I also think that many today use the term "prophet" loosely. For example, we all know Jesus will come again. That has been prophecied, but someone saying that today ISN'T a prophet. That has already been told. All we know is he will come and none of us know the hour or the day this will happen. We all need to be ready when he does come though.

A perfect example of a false prophet in modern times was that genius that foretold that the rapture woudl happen this past May. Obviously he was wrong, but what did he do? Said he got the dates mixed up and now the rapture is to happen in October. Will the rapture happen then? Probably not, and if it does it certainly would not happen because HE said so. He was not speaking from God. He was just stupid.

Unfortunately, there are many false prophets in modern times. When I turn the TV on and see men "healing" people I seriously doubt their gifts. I see no humility in them and it looks to be nothing more than a scam. I am not saying God doesn't HEAL, but God doesn't have to work through people to heal others either.
When a man in a 2,000.-00 suit claims to be a prophet of God and lives in a huge mansion, and has thousands of "followers" he is nothing more than a theif in my eyes. People give this man money to support his extravagant lifestyle and it looks to me he is makig his reward in Earth, when a Christians reward is in Heaven.

Jesus wasn't wealthy. He had no throne on Earth, but his kingdom is in Heaven. Was Paul considered wealthy? I don't believe so. He certainly didn't use his abilities for his own gain, and that is where modern day prophets bother me. MAny frauds out there.

Also, like I have stated before in other threads. Certain signs, and gifts were given to men in the first century before the recorded bible was complete. Prophets were used because they did not have a bible. I totally believe that, but today we have the bible, and we have faith. We knoe Jesus will come. We know to be ready. Do we know this from a modern prophet telling us? No. We knoe this because of the bible.

Also, all these modern prophets need to be careful in what they teach. Do not add to the word of God; meaning the bible...

Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

wonderfully said. And so true!

Cobus · Aug 6, 2011

I have one question about something that happened to me. When I started my walk with Jesus, I was asked to accompany the final year schlars of the Sunday School camp. It was my first willingness to do something for Jesus. So off we went to this CAMP in the Drakensberg mountains...

There were about 50 students (scholars) and 10 group-leaders of which I was one.... As we departed from the church, i chose the five boys in the back of the bus to be my "group". I did that because I could relate to them best... I was also one of the guys that sat in the back of the bus... THE MAIN MACK... You know what I mean.

Ok so, when we boarded the bus a dear girl came to me and said... "Oom (uncle) Cobus, good luck thrying to convert one of those boys. And believe me you are going to need it, they are WILD ones"... So we arrived at the mountains some 300 km away, and we had our first session...

In this session everybody had to go their seperate ways and read Matthew 14:25 to 30... Where Jesus walked on the water and Peter walked to Him.... Then we each had to choose any verse and memorise it... After 30 minute we gathered in our groups again and this is when the counselling started, and the first miracle happened in my life..

Know this...I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE WORD OF GOD WHEN I SAT DOWN WITH THOSE YOUNG MEN! (Around 17 and 18 years old) there was also another older man STEPHAN, with us in the group and he was appointed as my assistant. Just happened like that...I cannot say why...

So now we are together and the "counselling/teaching" should start. For the first time in my life I prayed with whatever faith I had, and I asked...Lord help us this weekend, AMEN!

Then i saked the boys what verses they memorised and they were very dissappointing, i wonder if any of them ever read the peace. But then one asked me a good question... And he said:..."Oom, What is the use we try to be christians, who will take us seriously, we are so young?"... I said... AND I WAS AMAZED AT WHAT CAME FROM MY MOUTH>>>> "Do you know that the Lord had a young prophet, and He also thought he was to young? God said to that prophet..... " Do not say you are too young, for you shall go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee, thou shalt speak."... Jer 1:7. But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.

Now seeing that I NEVER HEARD THAT VERSE, nor EVER read that verse, How did I quote that verse, and How did I know where it was in the Bible, and I read it for them STRAIGHT AFTER I QOUTED IT!..... On that moment. that very moment as we read the Word there, the whole situation changed... ALL OF A SUDDEN I KNEW GOD WAS THERE!!!!

Now any one can pull this to pueces if you like, but the ones that have something of scripture to share with me, PLEASE explain this what happened there!

For our young ones... Form that moment on all five boys had love for Oom Cobus. They paid attention to all I said and I quoted more Bible than I EVER read that weekend. They ATE UP THE WORD OF GOD, as it came from me, WHOM NEVER READ OR HEARD WHAT HE WAS SAYING... And they ate it...

We were there for four days, and just before we came back the Sunday afternoon, the minister opened the floor for witnesses... The most special thing in my life happened then.... When a lot of children witnessed how the Lord touched their hearts, my five young men stood up like one man... They walked to the front and their witnesses had me IN HEAVEN!!!!

I witnessed the greatest mirackle of ALL time that day... I saw how Jesus change people! AND IT HAPPENED WHEN JESUS WAS USING ME!!!! Man i cried rivers.... There was not a single dry eye in that hall, everybody was overwelmed by the GREAT GRACE OF GOD!!!!

I have to say what one of the Boys said... He said this looking straight at the girl..." Elmari (a girl that is the leader of their school's youth for Christ) we always thought you were a strange girl, and that you were fake. We teased, joked, and blashemed all around and at you, but you always showed pain and humbleness.... Something we thought was weakness.... SORRY!!! I ask you, please forgive us, and Elmari NOBODY will talk bad about you EVER again at school. We were the weak ones, and we were the fake ones, thank you all for this weekend, I am now awakened about my foolishness "... I believed that these five guys will not allow blasphemy in their schoo again....

I took a weeks leave to support them at school, and that went terribly wrong, for MY AWAKENING on what lies ahead...But that is another experience ... call it the VDM revenge... I was kicked off the school property... by you know who... But the boys triamphed, in Jesus.

My question is this...How could I qoute the Word of God if I did not even know it was written in the Bible? And then I would also just open the Bible at that place to read it to them.

Elizabeth619 · Aug 6, 2011

You pwoplw misunderstand alot. None of us that don't believe in modern day prophets said that God doesn't speak to people...we just dont think he uses prophets in this age. According to how we understand the scriptures.

God does speak to people...not a literal sit down and have coffee conversation, but he does communicate.

pickles · Aug 6, 2011

Elizabeth619 said:

yes God can have a sit down conversation, maby one only has the coffee, and one cannot see Him.
But the conversation part, He will do!

In Jesus, God bless
pickles

Cobus · Aug 6, 2011

I agree Pickles...

Elizabeth619 · Aug 6, 2011

I wonder if he prefers Starbucks then.....

Serously...I think the majority of you people do not understand my post. I try my best to explain things on an elementary level and some of you still don't get it.

pickles · Aug 6, 2011

Elizabeth619 said:

Its not about understanding, its simply still debated.

Interpitation can be a point of disagreement by many.
One simply gives witness, and what is to be heard in Jesus will be heard.

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

Cobus · Aug 6, 2011

Beth you ask if there is prophets in the Church today...I believe this.... I believe tha MODEL of the Church is EXACTLY explained in 1 Cor 14 from verse 26 to 40... Read it and answer that question with GOD'S Word...
Do you think God's church operates different than this one in Corinthians....Paul says... HOW IS IT THEN BRETHREN WHEN YOU COME TOGETHER.... and one of the EVENTS taking place when A CHURCH OF GOD COMES TOGETHER... IS..... Verse 29... Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
Paul is adressing the Corinthians.... AND THE CHURCH OF GOD,,,, THAT IS US BETH!!!
Now you tell me if there is still prophets in the CHURCH... WHAT they propecy is another matter let us get it step by step into place... IN OUR HEARTS.
Answer this...Do you think now with this knowledge,,, That God still have a Church here on earth EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE IN CORINTHIANS? I vote YES!!!

Abiding · Aug 6, 2011

Originally Posted by Abiding
Why would there be,.. for what purpose would the Prophet be?

4runner said:

the only answer was Eph 4 which is fulfilled in the preaching and teaching
of the scriptures they gave.

the purpose of modern day prophets was not answered, ever.

zone · Aug 6, 2011

Cobus said:

Christ is SEATED at the right hand of God.
He is not jumping up and down and coming to have personal visits with us, neither is He taking us on tours of our mansions in heaven.
Paul said Christ appeared to him LAST OF ALL.

over. John was taken IN THE SPIRIT TO THE LORD'S DAY IN VISIONS...different matter. we are not john, or paul.

Abiding made it VERY CLEAR in a simple and irrefutable way allowing God's Word to speak for itself (someplace else)
i wish he would repost it here.

in any case, today believers who have the pledge (downpayment/SEAL) of their inheritance which is THE HOLY SPIRIT are LED OF HIM into truth...which is IN THE WORD.

zone · Aug 6, 2011

Elizabeth619 said:

i get it.
i agree.
cessationism is the Biblical Truth and HONOURS WHAT GOD HAS DONE: LAID HIS FOUNDATION ONCE FOR ALL.
this other business misunderstands and ultimately dishonours what He has done.

how many times will Christ be LAID as the Cornerstone?
how many times will Paul and Peter and the others live and die and lay the foundation with their Master?

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

WHY ISN'T WHAT THEY DID AND SAID ENOUGH???
see? they laid the foundation we build and are the building ON IT.

1 Corinthians 3:10
By the grace God has given me, I [PAUL] laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds.

Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

Psalm 118:22
The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone;

Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed.

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Luke 20:17
Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone'?

1 Corinthians 3:11
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Lifelike · Aug 6, 2011

zone said:

i get it.
i agree.
cessationism is the Biblical Truth and HONOURS WHAT GOD HAS DONE: LAID HIS FOUNDATION ONCE FOR ALL.
this other business misunderstands and ultimately dishonours what He has done.

how many times will Christ be LAID as the Cornerstone?

He can't be laid again lol, He came, He demonstrated, He spoke, He doesnt have to do it again, He ran the race, and is put in place as the cornerstone.

how many times will Paul and Peter and the others live and die and lay the foundation with their Master?

They don't have to do it again, they bore witness, saw Him and testified to what they saw Him do and heard Him say. It can never be taken away, the foundation is laid.

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

The Apostle Paul is speaking to the corinthians here, not to you, although we are still God's field, and building, but others are building at present, labouring with the Lord in this present day. Teachers, Pastors, Evangelists, Prophets and Apostles. We also all do our part, building each other up, with psalms and spiritual songs, edifying each other in love, with the same life, love and power of the Holy Spirit as the early church - we are still the branches, attached to the vine. Living epistles the word of God being written on our hearts, in the same way He wrote on theirs, the same spirit the same operation of the spirit, He is alive in His church today and SPEAKS, through a mouth piece- prophets, and prophetic people, as well as many other ways.

WHY ISN'T WHAT THEY DID AND SAID ENOUGH???
see? they laid the foundation we build and are the building ON IT.

What they did was perfect, we are not laying another foundation.

1 Corinthians 3:10
By the grace God has given me, I [PAUL] laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds.

Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

This foundation was laid by the prophets of Israel, what they saw and heard - their witness, The witness of the Lord Jesus of what He saw and heard His Father say and do, and of the 12 apostles. Other prophets mentioned in the New Testament did not contribute to THIS foundation, but still built the church, and operated as per the function of the prophet. These extra foundational prophets, still built in a foundational way, it is the nature of the prophet to lay foundations.

Psalm 118:22
The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone;

Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed.

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

Luke 20:17
Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written: "'The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone'?

1 Corinthians 3:11
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

No one can do what Jesus did. It is done. forever. You cant remove Jesus from Gods kingdom, and in His place put another persons life, and deeds, it doesnt make sense.

4runner · Aug 6, 2011

Elizabeth619 said:

Zone doesnt believe that God speaks to a individuals at all in any way shape or form.

Red33 · Aug 6, 2011

4runner said:

Your living in spiritual hallucinations that do not come from a pure heart. God deals with us and speaks to us in the inner man through the word, through faith and through the Holy Spirit (Eph 3:16,17, 4:23, 2Cor 4:13-18, Col 3:10), and all three indwell the believer (1Pt 1:23, Heb 4:2, 1Cor 3:16). These words that Christ has spoken unto us (Jn 6:63) and that we are to live by (Mt 4:4) are spirit and life to the inner man and we are to give more careful attention to what we have already heard lest it slip away from us through complacency and not have the chance to quicken and renew us or even worse turn into darkness (Heb 2:1, 4:2, Ps 119:130, Mt 6:23, Jn 12:35).

4runner · Aug 6, 2011

Red33 said:

Yep, hearing God voice in your innerman is an hallucination. that must have been what Jesus meant when He said my sheep hear my voice.

Man you people are over the deep end for sure...smh

Elizabeth619 · Aug 7, 2011

4runner said:

Why do you care what zone believes? Are you afraid she is actually right?
Seriously man.

Zone has done her homework. Disagree all you want, she isnt forcing you to believe the way she does, but at least she can give sources and proper scripture to better explain why she believes this way.

I will have to say in all honestly...alot of these supernatural gifts came about in 1899 during some big revelation.

Some demonimations use these "gifts" bases on what "happened" in 1899...not what happened or what is recorded in the bible.

pickles · Aug 8, 2011

zone said:

Zone, one can have a conversation like Jesus being presant , not like having coffee.
But the conversation can be .

Im sure the coffee in heaven is made from holy grounds though.

God bless.
pickles

Consumed · Aug 8, 2011

pickles said:

Hi pickles
I don't think that zone discounts what God can and does do on a sincere personal relationship with Him, I think it's more about those that just follow blindly. Only have to think of those who said to Moses "you go up and tell us and we will do as you say". If we don't cultivate that personal sincere relationship and just believe what others say is then many a itchy ear would be getting scratched.

Zone has passion for truth and I admit sometimes she comes across strong but if we look thru to the heart of the message it is to "beware of false teachings and expectations" World is in dark days, darker each day and encouragement should be given to grounding ourselves in His word, not the interpretations given by so many over so long that really compromises His Word to fit in with this world.

Thru out history there has been so many false teachings, profession of mouth not having the heart though. Many good people in churches don't get wrong but many bad leaders too. Called politics which has no place in church to start with.

jackline · Aug 8, 2011

There will be many false prophets all the way to the end, a verse that comes to mind:

i think where there is sth false, there is definately sth right in existance. i strongly believe we stil have prophets.

pickles · Aug 8, 2011

Consumed said:

I wasnt upset with zone, just wanted to make sure she did not misunderstand what was spoken to.

The one thing that causes me to consider and seek truth in this, is simply that satan comes to steal.
He is the imposter.
So, one has to consider that since satan has so many imposters, it must be because he wants to steal the truth when it is given.
Looking to Jesus always does bring truth, praise God for this!

God bless.
pickles

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