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[HR][/HR]1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Confirming One’s Calling and Election
3His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. 8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
10Therefore, my brothers and sisters,[SUP]a[/SUP] make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Prophecy of Scripture
12So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
16For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 18We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
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[TD="width: 99%"]<< 2 Peter 1 >>
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[HR][/HR]1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
Confirming One’s Calling and Election
3His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.4Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. 8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
10Therefore, my brothers and sisters,[SUP]a[/SUP] make every effort to confirm your calling and election. For if you do these things, you will never stumble, 11and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Prophecy of Scripture
12So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body, 14because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
16For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 18We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
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lol.....that made me laugh.
WHAT IF???........( hyperthetically speaking) Scripture was found that could be authenticated as being written by one of Jesus's disciples and it brought some new insight to the Bible, did not contradict it but made clear some things that are not so clear and this was to be added to our existing Scripture...would you accept it?..if not why not?
WHAT IF???........( hyperthetically speaking) Scripture was found that could be authenticated as being written by one of Jesus's disciples and it brought some new insight to the Bible, did not contradict it but made clear some things that are not so clear and this was to be added to our existing Scripture...would you accept it?..if not why not?
Are you denying dreams and visions today? Or just prophetic ones? Or both?
I can see how modern day 'signs and wonders' folk have led some to a complete rejection of all things dream and vision related. Just because one group use and abuse such things does not mean that God does not use visions and dreams to speak to His children. I would be concerned about putting God in a box and saying He does not or will not do something.
I agree that we have the word of God and it's all we need for instruction in righteousness, but we have a personal relationship with Him. Through prayer we communicate with Him and He speaks to us, not just in His word, but through other people, through tv, sometimes through signs, dreams and visions. We use discernment on these things.
God still uses us. The Holy Spirit works through us and can often use us to communicate a message to someone else, say, in their time of need when they needed to hear a scripture to pick them up, or it could be the Holy Spirit gives us words to speak to another in answer to a question they prayed about.
God can choose to give us more gifts and use us in different ways. We are arms and legs, none of us greater than another. He still gives us dreams and visions today, for different reasons. I've received both, often an answer to prayer or one that brought encouragement, one that softened my heart when dealing with a particular situation, that then changed my entire thinking on something, for the better.
You can usually tell the difference between a dream from God and one of your own imagination. I read somewhere that God uses dreams sometimes because we're in a state of rest and better able to listen to His message, when we're not distracted with daily noise.
I've communicated with three others that have had dreams and visions also. They've never shared such things on this website, likely because of the negativity surrounding this topic, but also because these things are usually between you and God, although they can be an encouragement to others.
No one can interpret your dream. Dreams and visions are from God and will be made clear to you, without the need to ask someone else. God does not leave you confused. Confusion will arise when someone tries to interpret your dream and each time gets it wrong. This then leads to all kinds of problems. I know this because one person told me I was not saved, when this is not the message that I got from God at all. All is forgotten with that one, but just wanted to use that as an example. If God gives a person a vision or dream it will be very clear and He will be the one that reveals the message, not someone else.
I noticed someone requesting a forum for dreams. This can only work if their purpose is to share, along with the message that was given through the dream. There cannot be opportunity for others to interpret because that can be dangerous. Discernment must be used.
I can see how modern day 'signs and wonders' folk have led some to a complete rejection of all things dream and vision related. Just because one group use and abuse such things does not mean that God does not use visions and dreams to speak to His children. I would be concerned about putting God in a box and saying He does not or will not do something.
I agree that we have the word of God and it's all we need for instruction in righteousness, but we have a personal relationship with Him. Through prayer we communicate with Him and He speaks to us, not just in His word, but through other people, through tv, sometimes through signs, dreams and visions. We use discernment on these things.
God still uses us. The Holy Spirit works through us and can often use us to communicate a message to someone else, say, in their time of need when they needed to hear a scripture to pick them up, or it could be the Holy Spirit gives us words to speak to another in answer to a question they prayed about.
God can choose to give us more gifts and use us in different ways. We are arms and legs, none of us greater than another. He still gives us dreams and visions today, for different reasons. I've received both, often an answer to prayer or one that brought encouragement, one that softened my heart when dealing with a particular situation, that then changed my entire thinking on something, for the better.
You can usually tell the difference between a dream from God and one of your own imagination. I read somewhere that God uses dreams sometimes because we're in a state of rest and better able to listen to His message, when we're not distracted with daily noise.
I've communicated with three others that have had dreams and visions also. They've never shared such things on this website, likely because of the negativity surrounding this topic, but also because these things are usually between you and God, although they can be an encouragement to others.
No one can interpret your dream. Dreams and visions are from God and will be made clear to you, without the need to ask someone else. God does not leave you confused. Confusion will arise when someone tries to interpret your dream and each time gets it wrong. This then leads to all kinds of problems. I know this because one person told me I was not saved, when this is not the message that I got from God at all. All is forgotten with that one, but just wanted to use that as an example. If God gives a person a vision or dream it will be very clear and He will be the one that reveals the message, not someone else.
I noticed someone requesting a forum for dreams. This can only work if their purpose is to share, along with the message that was given through the dream. There cannot be opportunity for others to interpret because that can be dangerous. Discernment must be used.
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But even you believe God doesn't do certain things anymore.
I'm sure you don't believe he's giving new scripture.
No one would accuse you of putting God in a box for believing such.
I could give you a nice list of things i'm sure you think God isn't going to do anymore because they had their own time and season. No one would say God was being put in a box due to said list.
So I dismiss this claim that God is somehow being put in some box due to dreams and the like only being done for a season.
I'm sure you don't believe he's giving new scripture.
No one would accuse you of putting God in a box for believing such.
I could give you a nice list of things i'm sure you think God isn't going to do anymore because they had their own time and season. No one would say God was being put in a box due to said list.
So I dismiss this claim that God is somehow being put in some box due to dreams and the like only being done for a season.
I was saying that all things must be tested with scripture. If these things don't match up then we're to reject them. Anything in opposition to scripture is not from God.
God is not giving new scriptures but we have a personal relationship with Him so He often guides us in our lives with visions, dreams, sometimes words spoken through another person, either in person or on tv, etc, etc.
Do you deny dreams and visions in general, or just prophetic ones?
God is not giving new scriptures but we have a personal relationship with Him so He often guides us in our lives with visions, dreams, sometimes words spoken through another person, either in person or on tv, etc, etc.
Do you deny dreams and visions in general, or just prophetic ones?
*The bible gives/shows us everything we need for instruction from God.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 explains that, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
*God has given us the tool or the means to determine if our experiences are from Him or not.
Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
*Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus explained that many would come in His name preaching, casting out devils and doing many wonderful works when in fact they were actually workers of iniquity. This tells us that everything done in the Lord's name does not come from Him and warns us about those doing "wonders."
*God is now revealing himself through the written word.
John 1:1,14-16, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace."
*Jesus Christ is the word and you cannot separate the Lord Jesus from His word and Hebrews 1:1 is telling us that today God is speaking through the Bible, which is His word.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 explains that, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
*God has given us the tool or the means to determine if our experiences are from Him or not.
Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
*Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus explained that many would come in His name preaching, casting out devils and doing many wonderful works when in fact they were actually workers of iniquity. This tells us that everything done in the Lord's name does not come from Him and warns us about those doing "wonders."
*God is now revealing himself through the written word.
John 1:1,14-16, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fullness have all we received, and grace for grace."
*Jesus Christ is the word and you cannot separate the Lord Jesus from His word and Hebrews 1:1 is telling us that today God is speaking through the Bible, which is His word.
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Visions and dreams were part of progressive revelation in the bible.
I do agree we can learn from visions and dreams.
We learn from the ones we read in the Bible!
God is done revealing new stuff, so no need for new dreams and all that.
It's all quite simple.
No need to complicate things by lookin for stuff in other places that is already in the Bible.
I do agree we can learn from visions and dreams.
We learn from the ones we read in the Bible!
God is done revealing new stuff, so no need for new dreams and all that.
It's all quite simple.
No need to complicate things by lookin for stuff in other places that is already in the Bible.
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Here's a really neato vision right in the Bible we can learn from.
We don't even have to go seeking our own in order to learn the truth from this vision that's already in the Bible!
This vision shows that the distinction between Jew and Gentile was crushed through Jesus. Which is ironic, cuz so many who believe in modern day visions act like there is a Jew Gentile distinction.
We don't even have to go seeking our own in order to learn the truth from this vision that's already in the Bible!
This vision shows that the distinction between Jew and Gentile was crushed through Jesus. Which is ironic, cuz so many who believe in modern day visions act like there is a Jew Gentile distinction.
God still uses visions and dreams today.
It's a shame you feel this way, because you are limiting how God speaks to us.
Have you never seen God speaking to you through another person? Something they say is an answer to one of your prayers? Or, a pastor speaks about something that was on your mind and you see how God is speaking to you?
Dreams and visions have not ceased.
It's a shame you feel this way, because you are limiting how God speaks to us.
Have you never seen God speaking to you through another person? Something they say is an answer to one of your prayers? Or, a pastor speaks about something that was on your mind and you see how God is speaking to you?
Dreams and visions have not ceased.
if we are really new creatures....really new hearts and renewed minds and thoughts on all things Christian - sooner or later somebody is going to say something that speaks to your scene.
particularly Biblical sermons. that's exactly how it works.
The Spirit is speaking to us, through our new LANGUAGE and the thing we now have in COMMON.
Love for Jesus, all things about Him, and for other true Christians.
if you are married, you know you and your husband finish each others sentences and know each others thoughts.
same with the Bride and her Love.
particularly Biblical sermons. that's exactly how it works.
The Spirit is speaking to us, through our new LANGUAGE and the thing we now have in COMMON.
Love for Jesus, all things about Him, and for other true Christians.
if you are married, you know you and your husband finish each others sentences and know each others thoughts.
same with the Bride and her Love.
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See there you go with that whole I'm limiting God thing, simply because I believe that has ceased.
There are people who would say you're limiting God by saying he won't communicate to you through new scripture.
Here's the deal.
If a vision/dream won't ever tell me something that's not already in the Bible, then how in the world could I miss what God wants to reveal to me? It's already in the Bible! How can I miss something that's already there so simply to be read?
So this whole assertion that someone will miss something God wants to reveal to them, due to their belief that visions have ceased, well that whole assertion is just misguided, because all God wants to reveal is already in the Bible.
And if there is something in a vision that isn't in the Bible, chances are I shouldnt follow it in the first place!
I'm missing NOTHING by relying on the word only.
There are people who would say you're limiting God by saying he won't communicate to you through new scripture.
Here's the deal.
If a vision/dream won't ever tell me something that's not already in the Bible, then how in the world could I miss what God wants to reveal to me? It's already in the Bible! How can I miss something that's already there so simply to be read?
So this whole assertion that someone will miss something God wants to reveal to them, due to their belief that visions have ceased, well that whole assertion is just misguided, because all God wants to reveal is already in the Bible.
And if there is something in a vision that isn't in the Bible, chances are I shouldnt follow it in the first place!
I'm missing NOTHING by relying on the word only.