Music in Church?

[Jabberjaw]

Paul also said that in all things that you do, do it for the glory of God;

1 Corinthians 10:31
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Colossians 3:23
And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

Yes, in everything we do, every day we are to give glory to God, but when it comes to worshiping Him, He has told us how to do it, and if you look to the old school master, God said what He meant, and meant what He said, strange fire got two priests killed, they did not bring fire they were told not to bring, they brought fire "he commanded them not", so by telling them what kind of fire to use, excluded all other fire :

Leviticus 10:1 (KJV)
1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

 

[Utah]

How easy those that place more emphasis on what makes them happy, complicating the gospel to make it say more than it does (or try to say it doesn't say that) and take the simplicity out of His message:

2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Paul warned about those that would rather satisfy the flesh, he called it "will worship" :

Col 2:23 (KJV)
23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[Jabberjaw]

How easy those that place more emphasis on what makes them happy, complicating the gospel to make it say more than it does (or try to say it doesn't say that) and take the simplicity out of His message:

2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV) But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Paul warned about those that would rather satisfy the flesh, he called it "will worship" :

Col 2:23 (KJV)
23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

Pot, meet kettle.

It says "sing" it doesn't get more simplistic than that, you have to work at it, using your man made doctrine to fit your mechanical instruments in these verses.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes, in everything we do, every day we are to give glory to God, but when it comes to worshiping Him, He has told us how to do it, and if you look to the old school master, God said what He meant, and meant what He said, strange fire got two priests killed, they did not bring fire they were told not to bring, they brought fire "he commanded them not", so by telling them what kind of fire to use, excluded all other fire :

Leviticus 10:1 (KJV)
1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.

There is no but if when it comes to worship, as God never once condemned the usage of musical instruments as part of worship toward Him. And just because you can show scriptures that show usage those days instruments does not mean that now day instruments can not be used.
If you want to say that then, you might as well add that we can not drive cars, fly in planes, watch TV, or listen to the radio as those were all not in existence during the biblical days. To say now day instruments can not be used is to add to what is not in scripture.
David used instruments in his worshiping to God, and so did Solomon and he did not specify what exact instruments can and can not be used. They just mentioned a few, but it is not held to that.

[FONT=kepler-std !important]Habakkuk 3:19[/FONT]
The Lord GOD is my strength, And He has made my feet like hinds' feet, And makes me walk on my high places. For the choir director, on my stringed instruments.


Amos 6:5
You strum away on your harps like David and improvise on musical instruments.

 

[kennethcadwell]

• 2 Chronicles 5:13
  
  
  Those who blew the trumpets and those who sang together sounded like one person as they praised and thanked the Lord. They sang as others played their trumpets, cymbals, and other instruments. They praised the Lord with this song: "He is good; his love continues forever." Then the Temple of the Lord was filled with a cloud.
  
  
  • Exodus 15:1
    
    
    Then Moses and the Israelites sang this song to the Lord: "I will sing to the Lord, because he is worthy of great honor. He has thrown the horse and its rider into the sea.
    
    

As another told you previously that I saw, it was the Romans that when they entered in and started adding their falicies into the Church is when the instruments were taken away.

 

[Jabberjaw]

There is no but if when it comes to worship, as God never once condemned the usage of musical instruments as part of worship toward Him. And just because you can show scriptures that show usage those days instruments does not mean that now day instruments can not be used.
If you want to say that then, you might as well add that we can not drive cars, fly in planes, watch TV, or listen to the radio as those were all not in existence during the biblical days. To say now day instruments can not be used is to add to what is not in scripture.
David used instruments in his worshiping to God, and so did Solomon and he did not specify what exact instruments can and can not be used. They just mentioned a few, but it is not held to that.

[FONT=kepler-std !important]Habakkuk 3:19[/FONT]
The Lord GOD is my strength, And He has made my feet like hinds' feet, And makes me walk on my high places. For the choir director, on my stringed instruments.


Amos 6:5
You strum away on your harps like David and improvise on musical instruments.

The same old appeal when left with no support, you forgot to mention air conditioning, these things do not change the worship, when Jesus sat on the mount so he could "publicly address" the multitude, it did not change his message, he used what was expedient, when He pushed of shore in a boat to "publicly address" the multitude, it did not change the message, He used what was expedient to "publicly address" the multitude...

You use another dispensation to support use of mechanical instruments, in that same dispensation I show two priests who worshiped their way and not His and he killed them on the spot...

In this new dispensation, it is filled with scripture rebuking the use of the old dispensation, but because you like music made by mechanical instruments, it must be okay?

That is called by Paul "will worship", another version translates his words "self imposed religion" :

Colossians 2:23 (NKJV)
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

 

[kennethcadwell]

The same old appeal when left with no support, you forgot to mention air conditioning, these things do not change the worship, when Jesus sat on the mount so he could "publicly address" the multitude, it did not change his message, he used what was expedient, when He pushed of shore in a boat to "publicly address" the multitude, it did not change the message, He used what was expedient to "publicly address" the multitude...

You use another dispensation to support use of mechanical instruments, in that same dispensation I show two priests who worshiped their way and not His and he killed them on the spot...

In this new dispensation, it is filled with scripture rebuking the use of the old dispensation, but because you like music made by mechanical instruments, it must be okay?

That is called by Paul "will worship", another version translates his words "self imposed religion" :

Colossians 2:23 (NKJV)
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

You have no scriptural backing that say that instruments can not be used, so you can keep your same old adding to the bible that is not there. If God loved the usage of instruments in the OT for worship, He would not have changed it in the NT. The only changes that were made from the old to the new was salvation through Christ, and how the law has been changed. We are no longer held to the written ordinances of the mosaic laws of the OT, that does not mean that the musical instruments were done away with. For those are not part of the written ordinances.
God loves music in all forms, with all instruments as long as they glorify Him.
Nowhere in bible does it say instruments is a dishonor to Him !!!

 

[MsLimpet]

You have no scriptural backing that say that instruments can not be used, so you can keep your same old adding to the bible that is not there. If God loved the usage of instruments in the OT for worship, He would not have changed it in the NT. The only changes that were made from the old to the new was salvation through Christ, and how the law has been changed. We are no longer held to the written ordinances of the mosaic laws of the OT, that does not mean that the musical instruments were done away with. For those are not part of the written ordinances.
God loves music in all forms, with all instruments as long as they glorify Him.
Nowhere in bible does it say instruments is a dishonor to Him !!!

You don't have any "scriptural" prove either!

 

[Jabberjaw]

As another told you previously that I saw, it was the Romans that when they entered in and started adding their falicies into the Church is when the instruments were taken away.

Maybe you could show me where the NT church used it first so as to be taken away?

 

[Jabberjaw]

You have no scriptural backing that say that instruments can not be used, so you can keep your same old adding to the bible that is not there. If God loved the usage of instruments in the OT for worship, He would not have changed it in the NT. The only changes that were made from the old to the new was salvation through Christ, and how the law has been changed. We are no longer held to the written ordinances of the mosaic laws of the OT, that does not mean that the musical instruments were done away with. For those are not part of the written ordinances.
God loves music in all forms, with all instruments as long as they glorify Him.
Nowhere in bible does it say instruments is a dishonor to Him !!!

It is not I that is adding to the bible, for I don't have to say "well it doesn't say I can't do it" so to say (adding to) I can do it?

I can show you where it says "sing", now show me under this dispensation, where it says play any instrument other than the heart?

 

[SoulWeaver]

[video=youtube;dZvjPCcHI4g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZvjPCcHI4g[/video]

...but God looks on the heart.

 

[kennethcadwell]

It is not I that is adding to the bible, for I don't have to say "well it doesn't say I can't do it" so to say (adding to) I can do it?

I can show you where it says "sing", now show me under this dispensation, where it says play any instrument other than the heart?

It is adding to it though when you say we can not use them, when the bible does not say that.

 

[Jabberjaw]

[video]


...but God looks on the heart.

the little drummer boy is cute, however he is nowhere found in the bible... the drum is okay as long as its not used in worship service, there is no authorization.

 

[MsLimpet]

[video=youtube;dZvjPCcHI4g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZvjPCcHI4g[/video]

...but God looks on the heart.

Lol, heard that before...God does look at your heart, as well as your obedience and following the bible, not cartoons.

 

[SoulWeaver]

You have admitted yourself that there's no Scriptural proof for forbidding instruments a few posts ago, so please...

You don't have any "scriptural" prove either!

The point was not in the cartoon but offering to GOD and His service all you have...
I know a woman who was washing dishes in monastery when she was a guest there. She simply said she wasnt clever or learned enough to offer anything else. Well I'm sure she was exalted for her humbleness and offering all she had.

 

[Jabberjaw]

It is adding to it though when you say we can not use them, when the bible does not say that.

Go back to the dispensation you use to authorize it, God did not say to Nadab and Abihu don't use this fire, don't use that fire, he told them what fire to use, they chose to use their own version of fire... they changed the word of God by using a fire that was not condemned, but excluded...

As another here said, when God told Noah to build a ark with gopher wood, did He give him a list of wood NOT to use?

If using things "excluded" in the dispensation you use for justification of instrumental music condemned things "excluded" how is it you think you can "add to" this dispensation "excluded" things?

 

[Jabberjaw]

You have admitted yourself that there's no Scriptural proof for forbidding instruments a few posts ago, so please...



The point was not in the cartoon but offering to GOD and His service all you have...
I know a woman who was washing dishes in monastery when she was a guest there. She simply said she wasnt clever or learned enough to offer anything else. Well I'm sure she was exalted for her humbleness and offering all she had.

It is not how much we have to offer, it is how much of what we have to offer:

Mark 12:42-44 (KJV) [SUP]42 [/SUP] And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. [SUP]43 [/SUP] And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: [SUP]44 [/SUP] For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

 

[kennethcadwell]

It is not how much we have to offer, it is how much of what we have to offer:

Mark 12:42-44 (KJV) [SUP]42 [/SUP] And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. [SUP]43 [/SUP] And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: [SUP]44 [/SUP] For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

Luke 12:48

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

 

[SoulWeaver]

It is not how much we have to offer, it is how much of what we have to offer:

Mark 12:42-44 (KJV) [SUP]42 [/SUP] And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. [SUP]43 [/SUP] And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: [SUP]44 [/SUP] For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

That's basically what I said too.
I will give ALL my skills to God, not just my voice. I give ALL for Him and I dont make other music than worship! God is my only song. I respect your disagreement on music but I ask you to please not judge. Okay that's it of me here. Stay blessed

 

[Jeff_56]

okay everyone , gather round, or go wherever.....

IF, IF, IF you go to an assembly of ekklesia, and Jesus appears in the midst thereof, and He tells you to put away all the manmade instruments.


THEN, THEN , THEN, would you do it ?

and you others also: IF , IF , IF yougo to an assembly of ekklesia, and Jesus appears in the midst thereof, and He tells you to rejoice in music with the instruments available,

THEN, THEN, THEN, would you do it ?


only the pure in heart will see Jesus, ever. (until too late for those not pure at heart).

so, IF , IF , IF , Jesus is NOT AT THE MEETING...... either leave(and go where HE IS), or let EVERYONE wait until HE IS THERE.

THEN, THEN, THEN, "DO" what Jesus' says to do. NOT wwjd.... no... simpler..... "DO" what Jesus says. every moment of every day, in meetings and not in meetings... day time and night time and all the time....

IF, IF, IF HE FAILS to let you know, then you're off the hook for a while anyway..... but keep seeking JESUS, always.

.... lest He shows up unexpectedly , and finds someone not doing his job >> Matthew 24 >>

"You have no idea what day your Master will show up. But you do know this: You know that if the homeowner had known what time of night the burglar would arrive, he would have been there with his dogs to prevent the break-in. Be vigilant just like that. You have no idea when the Son of Man is going to show up. [SUP]45-47 [/SUP]“Who here qualifies for the job of overseeing the kitchen? A person the Master can depend on to feed the workers on time each day. Someone the Master can drop in on unannounced and always find him doing his job. A God-blessed man or woman, I tell you. It won’t be long before the Master will put this person in charge of the whole operation.
[SUP]48-51 [/SUP]“But if that person only looks out for himself, and the minute the Master is away does what he pleases—abusing the help and throwing drunken parties for his friends—the Master is going to show up when he least expects it and make hash of him. He’ll end up in the dump with the hypocrites, out in the cold shivering, teeth chattering.” "



i.e. IF, IF, IF, Jesus isn't at the meeting... the music won't make any difference at all, will it?
and IF, IF, IF Jesus is at the meeting, hopefully everyone there is doing what HE says to do. right ?