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So from what I gather, it's not worship unless it is painfully boring and any joy or fun you feel doing it is evil if it is felt on a human level. Makes perfect sense if you believe we were designed to be miserable creatures with no personality of our own.

It's not worship unless worship is conducted as God said "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Jn 4:23,24.

True worshippers worship according to "truth".

What is truth?

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Thy word is truth" Jn 17:17.

True worshippers worship according to God's word and not according to their own feelings or ideas.
 
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Please don't play cute on this. I prefer to think better of you.

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I did not see his comment as "cute" at all. Some of us see God's house as something much more than brick an mortar. If you find the notion that the house of God is more than a building "cute" and think ill of those that hold that view, I wear your contempt as a badge of honor.
 
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It's not worship unless worship is conducted as God said "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Jn 4:23,24.

True worshippers worship according to "truth".

What is truth?

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Thy word is truth" Jn 17:17.

True worshippers worship according to God's word and not according to their own feelings or ideas.
well duh! That's why most worship music is Gods own words and is apparently fine as long as there are no instruments other than a lute and an organ and no minor 3rd is used in the arrangement.
 
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Obviously I go to church to worship Jesus.
So from what I gather, it's not worship unless it is painfully boring and any joy or fun you feel doing it is evil if it is felt on a human level. Makes perfect sense if you believe we were designed to be miserable creatures with no personality of our own.

Your post above, it sounds to me that you are there for you.
 

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Paul is not saying one should keep the law in Rom 7:7.

To the Christian Jews to whom Paul was writing Paul told them they were "dead to the law" Rom 7:4 and they had been delivered/released/discharged from the law, Rom 7:6. Those Jews were dead to the law so they could be married to Christ and His NT gospel. They could not keep both Christ's NT and the OT law at the same time else they commit spiritual adultery, so they were made dead to the law, discharged from the law by the death of Christ in taking the law out of the way so they can be married to Christ and His NT.


of course Paul is not saying that we are obligated to keep the law.
but you are literally saying it is evil to do the things contained in the law, recognizing the Psalms as part of them - and Paul is not saying that doing the things that were commanded is sin.


i am not saying making praise to God on an instrument of ten strings is a commandment for you or for me or for anyone else. no one is saying we are commanded to make a joyful noise to Him by any instrument.
i am saying that it permitted, and that forbidding it is a nonsense human teaching for the appearance of godliness. if it offends your conscience, by all means, do not do it! but where do you have the right to judge another who offers praise in thankfulness and joy?

what i want to know from you is how you can call wicked what the law approves as good?

Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid.
(Romans 7:13)

this is exactly what you are preaching - that what is good is become death to me. don't you see that? would you forbid giving a tithe? is it a sin not to eat pork?

 
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So from what I gather, it's not worship unless it is painfully boring and any joy or fun you feel doing it is evil if it is felt on a human level. Makes perfect sense if you believe we were designed to be miserable creatures with no personality of our own.

Your post above, it sounds to me that you are there for you.
What is worship if it's not authentic, but a rote enterprise? We are to make a "joyful noise" AND we were designed "to have life and to have it abundantly". Shouldn't a life in Christ have an element of fun to it or are we to walk around in a sullen state at all times to be in an authentic state of worship? You people and your man made rules crack me up. I guess I'll go in my corner and throw dirt on my head. God's word says there is a time for everything....not sure what is so hard to grasp about that. I love the old hymns, I grew up on them....I also love contemporary worship...I serve my Jesus there, and I do it with a joyful heart and a distorted guitar....and I even play an occasional minor 3rd...so there.
 
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What is worship if it's not authentic, but a rote enterprise? We are to make a "joyful noise" AND we were designed "to have life and to have it abundantly". Shouldn't a life in Christ have an element of fun to it or are we to walk around in a sullen state at all times to be in an authentic state of worship? You people and your man made rules crack me up. I guess I'll go in my corner and throw dirt on my head. God's word says there is a time for everything....not sure what is so hard to grasp about that. I love the old hymns, I grew up on them....I also love contemporary worship...I serve my Jesus there, and I do it with a joyful heart and a distorted guitar....and I even play an occasional minor 3rd...so there.
What does the bible say about music and worship? Chapter and verse... thanks.
 
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Please don't play cute on this. I prefer to think better of you.

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I'm not playing cute and how you think of me is between you and Jesus. Am I mistaken that when Jesus died and resurrected and sent His Holy Spirit that the temple of God became the individual believer or have I misinterpreted scripture and God only lives in a building?
 

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True worshippers worship according to "truth".

What is truth?

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Thy word is truth" Jn 17:17.

and your position is that the Psalms are not true?


It is good to praise the Lord
and make music to your name, O Most High,
proclaiming your love in the morning
and your faithfulness at night,
to the music of the ten-stringed lyre
and the melody of the harp.
For you make me glad by your deeds, Lord;
I sing for joy at what your hands have done.

(Psalm 92:1-4)

 
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What does the bible say about music and worship? Chapter and verse... thanks.
I'm not gonna do your homework for you! I had an uncle try that with cleaning fish once....never again. LOL
 
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We no longer live under the OT Law.
All 616 laws hang on this......To love the lord God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. If your way of worshipping and telling God that you love Him is with a banjo and a washboard....He doesn't care....He just wants all your heart.
 
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All 616 laws hang on this......To love the lord God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself. If your way of worshipping and telling God that you love Him is with a banjo and a washboard....He doesn't care....He just wants all your heart.
So that is your reasoning for musical instruments in worship?
 
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So that is your reasoning for musical instruments in worship?
I'm patiently awaiting your reasoning for NOT having musical instruments in worship. I'm starting to wonder if you think we should sacrifice a virgin bull or something.
 

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We no longer live under the OT Law.
you asked what the scripture has to say about music in worship, not whether you are commanded to keep a law of ordinances.

tit for tat, i have a question for you --

how do you justify calling wicked what the scripture says is good?
chapter and verse for "music in worship is an abomination" please?
 
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Do you think is wrong to worship God using animal sacrifice as David did? if no why doesn't anyone do it? if yes, what is the difference in playing musical instruments as David did, and not all other worship David did?

Nowhere is it recorded anyone on this earth in the first century church using mechanical musical instruments... for you to add it on your own is will-worship :

Col 2:23 (KJV)
23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.
Why would we use an animal sacrifice today after the sacrifice of Christ? It is finished! No further sacrifices needed (Hebrews 10:9-14). In regards to your argument about no musical instruments used in the first century church, no church in the first century owned its own building, but met in homes or in other public places. No church in the first century had pews. No church in the first century had electricity or sound systems. The Bible never mentions whether any church service included a time of announcements or a Sunday School. We have all of these and I am convinced that they are acceptable. I assume you have none of these in your church.

Practices of the church fit into three categories: the scriptural, the unscriptural, and the non-scriptural. The scriptural were those things that we are commanded to do in the Bible and we should always do those things. The unscriptural are those things we are commanded not to do and we should always avoid these things. The non-scriptural are those things that are not spoken of in the Bible. Those things that are non-scriptural must be examined in the light of scripture to see if they fulfill scriptural goals or not. If they do, they belong with the scriptural. If they do not, they belong to the unscriptural. For instance, the New Testament does not mention the Sunday School since it is a much later invention. However, if the Sunday School is properly used to teach the Bible (a scriptural command) and to reach the lost (another scriptural command), then the Sunday School becomes a scriptural practice.

Musical instruments, if used with care, can enhance the singing of praise to the Lord. That was seen by the Christian church that split from the church of Christ. Musical instruments were obviously considered a help to praise in the Old Testament and in heaven. It seems strange to say that something God thought was a blessing in the Old Testament and is considered a blessing in heaven is an evil in the New Testament church. The burden of proof would lie on you and not on me.

As I previously stated: Ephesians 5:19 says "..speaking to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.." and correspondingly Colossians 3:16 says to, "..admonish one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs." The word "psalm" in the Greek dictionary, definition (#5568): "A set piece of music, i.e. a sacred ode (accompanied with the voice, harp, or other instrument)." The root word of psalm is "psallo" which means to means "to twitch, twang or pluck," such as pluck a string of a musical instrument.

If the church of Christ (or any other church) wants to leave out musical instruments in their worship, that is their prerogative. But I don't believe that it's right for them to judge and condemn everyone else who chooses to use musical instruments like David did, as the angels in heaven do and as the apostle Paul instructed.
 
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you asked what the scripture has to say about music in worship, not whether you are commanded to keep a law of ordinances.

tit for tat, i have a question for you --

how do you justify calling wicked what the scripture says is good?
chapter and verse for "music in worship is an abomination" please?
I never said it was "wicked." I would like to see where musical authorization is permitted in the NT.