my last argument for obedience

jasonj · May 6, 2016

Perhaps its time to follow Jesus? when you see hollow and deceptive philosophy rather than Christ. can I ask u a simple question? if the philosophy goes directly against Jesus words, and the other is pointing to them. who is depending on the grace given us and which philosophy is hollow? if one is pointing to Jesus saying go to Him, look at His words, follow Jesus. can you honestly in Good conscience say the guy pointing to Jesus teachings is the one without faith in Christ? who isn't trusting and depending on Him?

which is hollow. Obey Jesus, you are a follower, he died for you, forgave you, gave you righteousness, live it. those things agree with Jesus words. the fact that yopu guys are offended anytime someone even mentions obedience, to me shows the opposition and that you are opposed to it. anytime a chroistian says obey Jesus, you all will have the same argument. Gods will is to Love him all the way, love for God is commitment to His commands. you cant really deny the words of God. I'm sorry there seems to be no agreement. I really cant understand what you guys are even really saying like, what is a Christian supposed to do? just say I believe, refuse to put forth any effort and just say God is good yaya grace? honestly tell me how setting my heart to follow Jesus like He is my Lord and master is wrong? the floor is yours. I believe in putting forth all of my heart and soul to the purpose of obeying Gods word, Jesus. please help me with salvation since I'm lost.

Grace777x70 · May 6, 2016

When the Lord revealed His grace in me..I had this in my heart without even thinking about it...it's all good! God bless you Jason

[video=youtube;iRb769P50IQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRb769P50IQ[/video]

jasonj · May 6, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

God bless you as well friend "wherever Christ is preached....." be praying for you guys, gotta gather names lol

jasonj · May 6, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

to learn and follow His commands. its what He teaches in the gospels. its Gods Love for one another. forgiveness, we are forgiven. mercy, we are merciful, turn the other cheek, as God has done in Christ, care for the needy, Love and obey the Lord as tha many scriptures Here make clear obedience is Love in Gods opinion. my contention Here is this : go learn Jesus teachings in the Gospels, they are clear, and learn that He is saying you must DO what I'm teaching you. don't take my word for it. Just go to His words in your bible. pray about it, ask God to speak to your heart through the word. tell yourself in secret, I want to Know Jesus Christ. How do we really know Jesus? we look to the words " for out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks" Jesus words are Gods Heart, His will for us. again...you are free to think I'm a kook, all I am asking of you or anyone is to go to Jesus words that we all trust in. and THEN Look at pauls statements about Grace. after we learn Jesus. Then its looking through His wisdom, wich are His words given us.

The assumption that I don't count fully on Jesus is ridiculous to me when I am the one saying trust Jesus enough to follow Him. I spent years waiting for a magical feeling of baptism of the spirit. never happened till I stepped out as I was called to Do in His words. when I let go of my opinion and doctrinnes I had been told, and Just focused on Jesus, everything became so clear and easy. the rest we hear about is in serving Him. living the way He teaches is the way. that's what I am the way....means. Hius ways are the way. all we have oif Jesus to look at, is His words. We are born through His words. we receive the spirit through His word. our Life is the word of Christ. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, refers to Jesus words. with constant use.....means what it says. do the word, means what it says, you will know this for yourself if you will pursue His teachings as if they are Gods will, they are Gods will for us. Grace made us new, His ways are now our Life, all glory to God in His name wich is exalted to the highest place. Because He is Lord we learn and obey. How? Grace saved us from sins dominion, enabling us to be conformed to His image. this is done through His teachings found in the gospel. in His teachings are many things no one speaks of, and there is so much for us each found in His wisdom. if anyone would test Jesus words as a way of Life, they will "walk on water."

FreeNChrist · May 6, 2016

jasonj said:

to learn and follow His commands. its what He teaches in the gospels. its Gods Love for one another. forgiveness, we are forgiven. mercy, we are merciful, turn the other cheek, as God has done in Christ, care for the needy, Love and obey the Lord as tha many scriptures Here make clear obedience is Love in Gods opinion. my contention Here is this : go learn Jesus teachings in the Gospels, they are clear, and learn that He is saying you must DO what I'm teaching you. don't take my word for it. Just go to His words in your bible. pray about it, ask God to speak to your heart through the word. tell yourself in secret, I want to Know Jesus Christ. How do we really know Jesus? we look to the words " for out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks" Jesus words are Gods Heart, His will for us. again...you are free to think I'm a kook, all I am asking of you or anyone is to go to Jesus words that we all trust in. and THEN Look at pauls statements about Grace. after we learn Jesus. Then its looking through His wisdom, wich are His words given us.

The assumption that I don't count fully on Jesus is ridiculous to me when I am the one saying trust Jesus enough to follow Him. I spent years waiting for a magical feeling of baptism of the spirit. never happened till I stepped out as I was called to Do in His words. when I let go of my opinion and doctrinnes I had been told, and Just focused on Jesus, everything became so clear and easy. the rest we hear about is in serving Him. living the way He teaches is the way. that's what I am the way....means. Hius ways are the way. all we have oif Jesus to look at, is His words. We are born through His words. we receive the spirit through His word. our Life is the word of Christ. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, refers to Jesus words. with constant use.....means what it says. do the word, means what it says, you will know this for yourself if you will pursue His teachings as if they are Gods will, they are Gods will for us. Grace made us new, His ways are now our Life, all glory to God in His name wich is exalted to the highest place. Because He is Lord we learn and obey. How? Grace saved us from sins dominion, enabling us to be conformed to His image. this is done through His teachings found in the gospel. in His teachings are many things no one speaks of, and there is so much for us each found in His wisdom. if anyone would test Jesus words as a way of Life, they will "walk on water."

Are the Pauline epistles the teachings of Jesus?

jasonj · May 6, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

Naw, Jesus teachings on earth to His followers are the centerpiece of Gods word. Paul teaches doctrines, revealed the mystery of the atonement of God. 1 peter 2:24, romans 6, colossians 3 ect. Pauls purpose was to give us the key to faith in the atonement, and establish chuirsches among the gentiles, and Jews. Paul, after Jesus, is truly my hero. I have studied His writings from the age of 12. I admire the man to no end and set to follow his example when in accordance with Jesus teachings. what I'm saying is Jesus teachings, the ways He teaches us to live, and act toward God and each other. that is how we know Jesus intimately. it doesn't happen overnight.

In Uganda, its different, there is barely any deception, and many don't know much at all about the word. its like a blank canvas. the teaching that produces real fruit quickly there in that setting. is to daily learn one thing Jesus teaches us to do, and practice it, when we slip up, repent and refocus on obedience for instance we learn " pray for those who persecute you, bless those who curse you" we search all the scriptures together that agree with this lesson of Christ. the words are shared daily to fill up the mind and heart. Then even though it isn't what we feel like doing, we begin to ask forgiveness for the ones who mistreat us, after a little use, our prayers for them become more sincere, more what We trust doing because of the peace it brings and as it melts away our inner grudges and things, the value within us becomes evident to our own self, in us a light flicks on. then as we begin to naturally think and do this, we move on to a different teaching for instance. Help the needy. Even the poorest there will go search for another to help.....

It is really life changing to see people Just take Gods words as the truth, and follow the Lord. amaxing to see the poor helping the poorest. amazing to see the faith of little children in 60 year old men. they are not preconceived woith doctrines and the spirit moves in their Lives like I have never seen in the u.s. Gods Kingdom is here on earth, it is spirit, as the words of Jesus are spirit, as His teachings are the spirit of Gods Love

FreeNChrist · May 6, 2016

jasonj said:

Naw, Jesus teachings on earth to His followers are the centerpiece of Gods word. Paul teaches doctrines, revealed the mystery of the atonement of God. 1 peter 2:24, romans 6, colossians 3 ect. Pauls purpose was to give us the key to faith in the atonement, and establish chuirsches among the gentiles, and Jews. Paul, after Jesus, is truly my hero. I have studied His writings from the age of 12. I admire the man to no end and set to follow his example when in accordance with Jesus teachings. what I'm saying is Jesus teachings, the ways He teaches us to live, and act toward God and each other. that is how we know Jesus intimately. it doesn't happen overnight.

In Uganda, its different, there is barely any deception, and many don't know much at all about the word. its like a blank canvas. the teaching that produces real fruit quickly there in that setting. is to daily learn one thing Jesus teaches us to do, and practice it, when we slip up, repent and refocus on obedience for instance we learn " pray for those who persecute you, bless those who curse you" we search all the scriptures together that agree with this lesson of Christ. the words are shared daily to fill up the mind and heart. Then even though it isn't what we feel like doing, we begin to ask forgiveness for the ones who mistreat us, after a little use, our prayers for them become more sincere, more what We trust doing because of the peace it brings and as it melts away our inner grudges and things, the value within us becomes evident to our own self, in us a light flicks on. then as we begin to naturally think and do this, we move on to a different teaching for instance. Help the needy. Even the poorest there will go search for another to help.....

It is really life changing to see people Just take Gods words as the truth, and follow the Lord. amaxing to see the poor helping the poorest. amazing to see the faith of little children in 60 year old men. they are not preconceived woith doctrines and the spirit moves in their Lives like I have never seen in the u.s. Gods Kingdom is here on earth, it is spirit, as the words of Jesus are spirit, as His teachings are the spirit of Gods Love

Thanks. That explains much.

jasonj · May 6, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

God bless you in the things Of Jesus Christ

RobbyEarl · May 6, 2016

FreeNChrist said:

Paul is my hero as well after Jesus, your speech was well done but no mention of the cross, Paul would not have done that. I agree with you mainly. but to say tht you are student of Paul and have no mention of the cross strikes me as strange. because Paul always mentioned the cross as it is the core of His message. Love you, don't mean harm, just wandering.

jasonj · May 6, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

Jesus is more than the cross. its not the cross, its the Son of God who died on it, its not the tomb, its the son of God that walked out. about the "cross" have a look at my favorite verse on my profile.........The cross is an altar, the Gift and value is the body and blood of Jesus Christ. and I don't make speeches

God bless you...the message of the cross is what matters, not the wood, the message upon it the message of the cross = man was already reconciled to God through the body of Jesus Christ. weve been made new in His death and resurrection. that's the "cross"

jasonj · May 6, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

and I'm not offended, just passionate and text is often taken in a different spirit than offered. no offense at all, God bless you

RobbyEarl · May 6, 2016

jasonj said:

Amen brother a church without the cross is just a Kiwanis club, or notary club and nothing more, might as well sell gas or food rations for the doomsday.

jasonj · May 6, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

amen lol nice description haha.....you mentioned loving Pauls writings, do you have any favorite obscure passages from His writings?

slave · May 6, 2016

Gr8grace said:

This vastly underestimates the power and authority of Christ living in you who purposes us to do His good works, The difference is in the term

His). This also is showing signs of not understanding Sin and underestimates the death sentence of Sin. It is important to note (which is not new to any of us) :"If we remain in Christ and His words remain in us.....ask whatever you wish and it will be given?" A humility to God affords God His serving man. We tend to think we get what we want then, but it is because we are becoming like Christ what we ask He delights in giving, even our godly desires set apart in our personalities He delights in giving. But all this is in His Hands His control, for He knows us better than we know ourselves and wants to give us what will be best, and He wants to use us for His glory and purposes as well.

Wake up call: God hasn't touched the death sentence of Sin on the Cross; apart from Himself. And yet, in Himself has transformed us utterly and completely by way of freeing us from the grip of sin obliterating it from effect on His disciples; His born-again Spirit-filled Saints.. He has made the way through the Sin sentence by becoming Sin on our behalf, and in His resurrection God obliterated that sentence forever for His Children (Ah, His Children). But take note Satan is not gone, nor is His sentence of death if we stray from God's plan to be hidden in Christ thru our New Creation.. A plan of perfection in Jesus who is perfection, now found in every man and woman and every race, and every diverse level of intellectual prowess etc etc... that cannot be altered by Sin (The being) itself in the slightest. Now I didn't say sins (the beings particulars). For sins show the result we have not remained in that provincial guarantee, and God gives them to be our responsibilities in our Christ-like disposition.A responsibility that has been given to rule over anything that is not in Christ,as the Lord anoints us with His Spirit and establishes our steps.... we are now Ambassadors, and the light and salt of this world.

It is not part of the normal human experience to sin into heaven, based on the argument "we all do it, thus Gods grace is bigger than that, let's face it!". This is not understanding Gods principles of Gods Character or decrees or in understanding the facts of the Spiritual world of Spiritual warfare and the sentence Sin has been left with unabated for anyone outside of Himself (continually). Regardless of the track record in individuals life, God has given us a perfect relationship and a perfect sinless Jesus to accomplish in us what we lack. God offers forgiveness, even then, if we repent and turn toward Him, but don't be fooled, God cannot be mocked; what a man sows so shall he reap. God will take out every hidden thing we put in the dark closet and expose it in His light, and fire, fully transforming us.

My point is, the premise you begin with here will always spit out garbage because: garbage in, is garbage out. "if we...." "He will...." "Because God thru Jesus Christ has....." This is not works towards God, but again, faith that works, and that we work in faith; And which God anoints faithfully, and is just in His judgements.

Are our words simply good words based on a newly arrived triumph to our resources thru Jesus, or is Jesus a gift to our poverty? Are we desperately needing God thru Christ at every breath being nothing; being found dead in our transgressions and sins, (this is the view Scripture paints and Jesus knows). Do we feel, Jesus on a Cross, has given to our person a gait of individual prowess, while preaching the Word and wearing a Jesus Tee-shirt? Or do we feel a sense of desperate darkness that has been turned to light with thanksgiving and humility as God gifts us with an insurgency that rises us up in our new righteousness. Are our utterances notably Spirit-appointed words flowing like a river because God has filled them in our lives and anointed to fill others lives, causing delight and a grind depending on what the Lord is doing in the life of the other; staying yet loyal to the truth of the gospel, and not to man? Ungodly men can have great boldness and confidence but a godly man also has authoritative backing in His Spirit resulting in divine influence and precise timing always wrapped in love. God has given him a sound mind. And this takes time and experiences, which God will allow you to go thru and call you to share when and how He sees fit. Remember the Master gave some five talents and some two, but that is all God expected for each one. Both of them did there Masters bidding and was loved equally. He even foresaw issue with the third, as He gave him only one, but alas he did not pass the test of doing what had been given him, the ability to use Christ toward good works. He failed
Not because God was cruel, but because God knew He had placed success in him, had he purposed it himself.

God has the perfect plan in place, never to make note of the sentence of Sin any longer:we are free, yes free indeed in Christ Jesus! But our eternity rests also on our will; on the power of the will God has instilled in it, for the sake of love. We must pick up our cross daily and follow Him, We must ongoingly choose our Mastering Spirit, of which Jesus will guard our minds in and empower us to stand.We must choose the Spirit of slavery (Jesus just got us out of), or the Lamb of God whom delivers life-bearing love ( like a verb loves a sentence

). But, because God wanted a love relationship with His family; the sentence to Sin has not been wavered, for those outside of Himself, for by the power He has placed in our will, even after regeneration, we must chose to follow Him daily.

If I were to give you a 100 dollar bill you would be happy, even before spending it, yet it isn't yours to enjoy or benefit from until you spend it. Or sow in able to reap it's value.. Like this story, Christ is a value greater than any other value, and God has Given us Him for that reinstatement of a love relationship with Himself and the Go-head of three. I find it a pity we fight for reasons not to have to labor to receive the free gift, or fight to have to labor to show God's glory.. for our life of abundance found in Christ, must be a life of love; a life we love and adore.. God is our authority and He says we must live it out this way in our life and He purposes it and delights in it if we remain in Christ doing it. He will also reward us as we cross over to Heavens gates to be judged, giving way to His own desire to share with us in His glory....as His children. Sorry I had too much time to write today ...smile.

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RobbyEarl · May 6, 2016

jasonj said:

Especially that His trials and tribs ( being stoned, left at sea, imprisoned, beat and whipped) he counts them as naught and even His education at the feet of Gamaliel ( i know I didn't spell that right). But trusted in the cross.

jasonj · May 6, 2016

slave said:

This vastly underestimates the power and authority of Christ living in you who purposes us to do His good works, The difference is in the term

His). This also is showing signs of not understanding Sin and underestimates the death sentence of Sin. It is important to note (which is not new to any of us) :"If we remain in Christ and His words remain in us.....ask whatever you wish and it will be given?" A humility to God affords God His serving man. We tend to think we get what we want then, but it is because we are becoming like Christ what we ask He delights in giving, even our godly desires set apart in our personalities He delights in giving. But all this is in His Hands His control, for He knows us better than we know ourselves and wants to give us what will be best, and He wants to use us for His glory and purposes as well.

Wake up call: God hasn't touched the death sentence of Sin on the Cross; apart from Himself. And yet, in Himself has transformed us utterly and completely by way of freeing us from the grip of sin obliterating it from effect on His disciples; His born-again Spirit-filled Saints.. He has made the way through the Sin sentence by becoming Sin on our behalf, and in His resurrection God obliterated that sentence forever for His Children (Ah, His Children). But take note Satan is not gone, nor is His sentence of death if we stray from God's plan to be hidden in Christ thru our New Creation.. A plan of perfection in Jesus who is perfection, now found in every man and woman and every race, and every diverse level of intellectual prowess etc etc... that cannot be altered by Sin (The being) itself in the slightest. Now I didn't say sins (the beings particulars). For sins show the result we have not remained in that provincial guarantee, and God gives them to be our responsibilities in our Christ-like disposition.A responsibility that has been given to rule over anything that is not in Christ,as the Lord anoints us with His Spirit and establishes our steps.... we are now Ambassadors, and the light and salt of this world.

It is not part of the normal human experience to sin into heaven, based on the argument "we all do it, thus Gods grace is bigger than that, let's face it!". This is not understanding Gods principles of Gods Character or decrees or in understanding the facts of the Spiritual world of Spiritual warfare and the sentence Sin has been left with unabated for anyone outside of Himself (continually). Regardless of the track record in individuals life, God has given us a perfect relationship and a perfect sinless Jesus to accomplish in us what we lack. God offers forgiveness, even then, if we repent and turn toward Him, but don't be fooled, God cannot be mocked; what a man sows so shall he reap. God will take out every hidden thing we put in the dark closet and expose it in His light, and fire, fully transforming us.

My point is, the premise you begin with here will always spit out garbage because: garbage in, is garbage out. "if we...." "He will...." "Because God thru Jesus Christ has....." This is not works towards God, but again, faith that works, and that we work in faith; And which God anoints faithfully, and is just in His judgements.

Are our words simply good words based on a newly arrived triumph to our resources thru Jesus, or is Jesus a gift to our poverty? Are we desperately needing God thru Christ at every breath being nothing; being found dead in our transgressions and sins, (this is the view Scripture paints and Jesus knows). Do we feel, Jesus on a Cross, has given to our person a gait of individual prowess, while preaching the Word and wearing a Jesus Tee-shirt? Or do we feel a sense of desperate darkness that has been turned to light with thanksgiving and humility as God gifts us with an insurgency that rises us up in our new righteousness. Are our utterances notably Spirit-appointed words flowing like a river because God has filled them in our lives and anointed to fill others lives, causing delight and a grind depending on what the Lord is doing in the life of the other; staying yet loyal to the truth of the gospel, and not to man? Ungodly men can have great boldness and confidence but a godly man also has authoritative backing in His Spirit resulting in divine influence and precise timing always wrapped in love. God has given him a sound mind. And this takes time and experiences, which God will allow you to go thru and call you to share when and how He sees fit. Remember the Master gave some five talents and some two, but that is all God expected for each one. Both of them did there Masters bidding and was loved equally. He even foresaw issue with the third, as He gave him only one, but alas he did not pass the test of doing what had been given him, the ability to use Christ toward good works. He failed
Not because God was cruel, but because God knew He had placed success in him, had he purposed it himself.

God has the perfect plan in place, never to make note of the sentence of Sin any longer:we are free, yes free indeed in Christ Jesus! But our eternity rests also on our will; on the power of the will God has instilled in it, for the sake of love. We must pick up our cross daily and follow Him, We must ongoingly choose our Mastering Spirit, of which Jesus will guard our minds in and empower us to stand.We must choose the Spirit of slavery (Jesus just got us out of), or the Lamb of God whom delivers life-bearing love ( like a verb loves a sentence

). But, because God wanted a love relationship with His family; the sentence to Sin has not been wavered, for those outside of Himself, for by the power He has placed in our will, even after regeneration, we must chose to follow Him daily.

If I were to give you a 100 dollar bill you would be happy, even before spending it, yet it isn't yours to enjoy or benefit from until you spend it. Or sow in able to reap it's value.. Like this story, Christ is a value greater than any other value, and God has Given us Him for that reinstatement of a love relationship with Himself and the Go-head of three. I find it a pity we fight for reasons not to have to labor to receive the free gift, or fight to have to labor to show God's glory.. for our life of abundance found in Christ, must be a life of love; a life we love and adore.. God is our authority and He says we must live it out this way in our life and He purposes it and delights in it if we remain in Christ doing it. He will also reward us as we cross over to Heavens gates to be judged, giving way to His own desire to share with us in His glory....as His children. Sorry I had too much time to write today ...smile.

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always a blessing to read your words, and Ive had 3 days off lol I have no wordly life anymore so I pester the brethren, well I try to share, but end up pesterin

....thanx for the addition. sometimes the very hardest thing for us to do, the thing that really does take all our effort , is to Love when we aren't being Loved Back. THIS is why Jesus is my everything, I have found the Love I need in His word and from His spirit in me, it is constant, it is dependable even when I need to reach for it, it is always there to hold me up. Its Gods Love for us, that is to be expressed from us to others Just as He expressed it to us. I find Joy n laboring for the Lord, it is the only place I am Home, the only place I am weak that His strength provides, the only rest I find is to press on in the labors found in my heart.

Because I am insignificant in the world, My value and Hope is only available in Christ, I would literally fall dead without the Lords mercy, my hope would be barron, no Joy or peace would I find. The fear of the Lord has become for me A fear of falling away from His presence, and this fear I embrace and it spurs my life into Faith. to the question you answered....id say the same thing I was saying all along. go to Jesus words n see what He has made clear about obedience. that way no one can say I'm teaching herecy....a Christian should abide in Christs words daily in preparation for the coming glory, that is sure for those who abide within the words of Life, as they treasure them up inside......

fredoheaven · May 6, 2016

John146 said:

Romans 10:13-17 (KJV)
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Obeying the gospel of Christ is equated to believing it. That's our obedience for salvation.

Amen on that one sir John, when you obey the gospel of Christ, means you need to obey what the Gospel says. All is about believing!

jasonj · May 6, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

Yes, what great strength in our own trials to observe the brother of Love enduring all hardships and counting them a Joy. He is inspiring to my life, from the moment I read the prayer for the ephesians as a youngster, I have felt a kinship with His words. I suppose, it is meant to be that way when we store up Gods word. ......I Love the phrase He uses in the end of that passage concerning His hardships " We have spoken freely to you Corinthians and opened wide our hearts to you, we are not withholding our affection from you, but you from us,,as a fair exchange open wide your hearts also" what a man of God, it will be awesome to meet some of these folks, these Heroes of the faith. I also like the scene that is set when He leaves the brothers on the shore in acts. the depiction of true brotherly Love where they are all weeping as He leaves powerful stuff

jasonj · May 6, 2016

fredoheaven said:

believing enough to do = faith

RobbyEarl · May 6, 2016

I will also love to hear the stories of factory workers and farmers and those who gave the widows mite. God is good all the time. Amen

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