Mystery Babylon

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The antichrist claims himself to be christ

Thus any major religion (Islam, Christian, Judaism or any other religion who follows what they consider to be the god of abraham) would reject the antichrist outright.

Thus it can not be either of these religions. The antichrist will be forced to destroy these religions before he can take full control.
 
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The antichrist claims himself to be christ

Thus any major religion (Islam, Christian, Judaism or any other religion who follows what they consider to be the god of abraham) would reject the antichrist outright.

Thus it can not be either of these religions. The antichrist will be forced to destroy these religions before he can take full control.
I agree with some of what you say.
He will destroy all religions.
He will claim to be anointed (a Christ but not The Christ).
Most of the world is ignorant of who The Christ is.
We who do know The Christ will see the antichrist for who he really is.
 

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By definition antichrist is against Christ and everything Christ is.
Islam does not deny Christ but states He was a prophet, not the Messiah.
If one will just study all the characteristics of the antichrist given in Scriptures, it is easy to see he does not resemble Christ, claims to be Christ, or even attempts to do so.
If they call Him a prophet, they must discount most everything He said. Some lying prophet maybe? He called Himself God in the flesh. :cool:
 
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The Bible says that Babylon(Iraq), Medo-Persia(Iran), and Greece, shall never have physical dominion again.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Mystery Babylon is not Islam, for Islam would never be the head of all religions, and the Babylon in Revelation is of the occult, evolution, and acknowledge no personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, something Islam would never accept.

Islam would never accept the Babylonian system in Revelation.

Also Babylon, the beast kingdom, will go against Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, for their belief in a higher power, a personal God.

Islam rebels against the world before the beast kingdom comes about, and they are plucked up by the roots, nuclear weapons, which that war will cause one third of the world to perish, mainly in the Arab nations, which causes the world to accept the man of sin to achieve peace on earth.

Which the 10 horn kingdom will rule, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, and 3 of those horns are plucked up by the roots, which cover the Arab nations.

Also the new age movement is operating as a unified religious system, when the 10 horns is operating, and Islam would never accept the new age movement, which the new age movement paved the way to the beast kingdom.

The Pope wants the unifying of all religions, mainly the next Pope, so of course he will side with Islam, and he will also side with the other religions, for the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts them down, so the Pope, and Vatican are involved in that.

And the new age movement interpreted all religions according to the occult, nature worship, and evolution, and anything taught contrary is not tolerated, which Islam is against the new age movement, and will not accept it.

The new age movement is the future for this world that paved the way to the beast kingdom, which Islam want nothing to do with the new age movement.

The Bible says in Daniel 7 that the 4th beast, the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts down the world, and the 10 horns come from her, and the little horn comes from the 10 horns, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread upon it, and break it in pieces.

So how does Islam come in to play in that when the 10 horns shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, that is of the Roman Empire.

Plus common sense says why would Rome, or any European nation want to give heed to Islam, and let them control, and have power, for that is not how the world works, for they would want to exalt themselves for power, and control.

Islam is not going to over power Europe, and the Caucasian race, so why would they allow Islam to have power, and control, and take heed to them, for Europe, and America, has their own thing going on, and it does not include Islam, except to deceive them.

For they want to produce the New Age Christ, but do not believe he will help them to achieve peace, and cause them to evolve until the nations come together as one to try to establish peace on earth, which is why there is United Nations, and organizations for the harmonizing of religions, for you have to get the religions to harmonize before the nations will harmonize.

So the Pope is only playing Islam, and getting on their good side, for they are stubborn people, and would give them the hardest trouble, so that he can get the Arab nations in cooperation with all the nations.

But they do not care about Islam, and Islam is not going to have any power, or control, and they are going to fall before the beast kingdom comes about.

When the nations come together their plan is to attack Islam and put down their power, produce the New Age Christ, beast kingdom, go against the saints, saints gathered unto Christ, and then attack Israel, Jesus comes back with the saints and saves Israel.
 

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What about the. bahai faith though. Isnt that a combination of everything?
 

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What about the. bahai faith though. Isnt that a combination of everything?
Yes it is, but once again we have a false Christ -- a so-called "divine messenger" -- in Bahaullah. They put him on the same level as Christ.

"Throughout history, God has revealed Himself to humanity through a series of divine Messengers, each of whom has founded a great religion. The Messengers have included Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad.
The latest of these Messengers is Bahá’u’lláh, who brings new spiritual and social teachings for our modern age. He taught that there is only one God, that all of the world’s religions are from God, and that now is the time for humanity to recognize its oneness and unite."
 

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The antichrist claims himself to be christ

Thus any major religion (Islam, Christian, Judaism or any other religion who follows what they consider to be the god of abraham) would reject the antichrist outright.

Thus it can not be either of these religions. The antichrist will be forced to destroy these religions before he can take full control.
Hold on...why would the antichrist claim himself to be christ wouldnt that defeat the purpose he would then be anti himself.
 
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Hold on...why would the antichrist claim himself to be christ wouldnt that defeat the purpose he would then be anti himself.
What do you think an antichrist does. He claims himself to be the messiah. Its what he does when he enters the most holy lace. And it is why the world follows him, He is the one who was promised to bring peace. And they buy into it, Then when they feel safe, He turns on them.

He does not call himself antichrist, God does.
 

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What do you think an antichrist does. He claims himself to be the messiah. Its what he does when he enters the most holy lace. And it is why the world follows him, He is the one who was promised to bring peace. And they buy into it, Then when they feel safe, He turns on them.

He does not call himself antichrist, God does.
In johns letter its just anyone who denies Jesus came in the flesh is an anti christ and a deceiver...there isnt just one person.
He doesnt say its someone claiming to be Jesus. I mean most people know who Jesus is cos he already came! And we have the evidence in the Bible.

There have been many anti christs all through the ages. Some have tried to rule over nations and destroy others. Hitler, stalin, nero, chairman mao, pol pot. Some claimed they were god or Godlike. A lot of these people tried to ban the Bible and stop people reading it. Because people believing in Jesus was a threat to their kingdoms.
 

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My mum is antichrist.
She doesnt believe in God or Jesus. She doesnt believe Jesus came in the flesh. She also makes out like she is god and say to believe in yourself. Im like how can i believe in everything you say mum. You are not God. you didnt create the universe.

She says I look after you, not God.
My mother is sometimes delusional. She worries that I read the Bible too much, instead of listening to her. But she cant stop me from worshipping Him.
 
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In johns letter its just anyone who denies Jesus came in the flesh is an anti christ and a deceiver...there isnt just one person.
He doesnt say its someone claiming to be Jesus. I mean most people know who Jesus is cos he already came! And we have the evidence in the Bible.

There have been many anti christs all through the ages. Some have tried to rule over nations and destroy others. Hitler, stalin, nero, chairman mao, pol pot. Some claimed they were god or Godlike. A lot of these people tried to ban the Bible and stop people reading it. Because people believing in Jesus was a threat to their kingdoms.
And the final antichrist who claims to be the promised one will be the most powerful of them all. He will have worldwide influence.
 

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And the final antichrist who claims to be the promised one will be the most powerful of them all. He will have worldwide influence.
Thats just you saying though. Is there ever a 'final' antichrist, when satan was the orignal antichrist, who persececutrs anyone who believes in Jesus. Revelation tells us its satan, with two beasts,a a dragon and a beast that is like a leopard another beast with two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon that influence the world and peoole take the mark of the beast. The false prophet is actually the beast and causes all men to worship the image of the beast (not a man...an image of the beast).

The beast is not actually a man. You would have to be a bit silly to give worship to a man.

I guess this is why some people believe that evil people are reptilian. They have something of the beast in them and are not quite human. There are many gangs and kingdoms that worship beasts (animals) for example lions, bears, dragons...all predators.

None of these kingdoms ever has a lamb as their mascot. I have often heard people talk about sheep in a derogatory way. Oh you dont want to be like sheep or sheeple and not think for yourself etc. They dont see God as a shepherd who looks after his sheep. They think God must be like a dragon, all powerful, or maybe a lion.
 
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Thats just you saying though. Is there ever a 'final' antichrist, when satan was the orignal antichrist, who persececutrs anyone who believes in Jesus. Revelation tells us its satan, with two beasts,a a dragon and a beast that is like a leopard another beast with two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon that influence the world and peoole take the mark of the beast. The false prophet is actually the beast and causes all men to worship the image of the beast (not a man...an image of the beast).

The beast is not actually a man. You would have to be a bit silly to give worship to a man.

I guess this is why some people believe that evil people are reptilian. They have something of the beast in them and are not quite human. There are many gangs and kingdoms that worship beasts (animals) for example lions, bears, dragons...all predators.

None of these kingdoms ever has a lamb as their mascot. I have often heard people talk about sheep in a derogatory way. Oh you dont want to be like sheep or sheeple and not think for yourself etc. They dont see God as a shepherd who looks after his sheep. They think God must be like a dragon, all powerful, or maybe a lion.
The beast is called the man of perdition. It is a human who is actually possessed by satan himself.

And yes, scripture speaks of him, Jesus said when he is overthrown, him and the false prophet will be cast into hell on the spot. And satan will be bound for 1000 years.
 

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The beast is called the man of perdition. It is a human who is actually possessed by satan himself.

And yes, scripture speaks of him, Jesus said when he is overthrown, him and the false prophet will be cast into hell on the spot. And satan will be bound for 1000 years.
Didnt satan enter Judas? I thought he was anti christ after all he betrayed Jesus.
He didnt cause everyone to take a mark though.
 
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Didnt satan enter Judas? I thought he was anti christ after all he betrayed Jesus.
He didnt cause everyone to take a mark though.
Yes, judas also was called the son of perdition. But judas was not the man of sin
 

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Yes, Judas is dead. The man of sin is. Not alive yet (or may not be)
But arent all men of sin if they arent forgiven?
Do you think that its only when Jesus returns that the man of sin will be revealed. Is Jesus going to wait until things get really bad.
 
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But arent all men of sin if they arent forgiven?
Do you think that its only when Jesus returns that the man of sin will be revealed. Is Jesus going to wait until things get really bad.
We are talking about the world leader who is in power when jesus returns, and whome jesus will personally destroy,

The man of sin will be revealed when he agrees to a 7 year covenant of some type wiht Isreal and then 3.5 years later, places an abomination which causes desolation in the holy place of their temple.
 

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We are talking about the world leader who is in power when jesus returns, and whome jesus will personally destroy,

The man of sin will be revealed when he agrees to a 7 year covenant of some type wiht Isreal and then 3.5 years later, places an abomination which causes desolation in the holy place of their temple.
Oh ok.
Thats what many people say, but Im rather skeptical of that. Why would a man of sin bother to make a covenant, if only to break it. Thats like saying people only get married in order to divorce.