Mystery Babylon

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Am not really sure about the identity of this , some people say its Jerusalem, others say its Rome.

What does the Bible say.
What do you think? Any clues. Is it past, or is it future.

I dont really know what to believe. Certainly its a wealthy city that falls. There are many wealthy cities nowadays, but which one has all the influence of the entire world?

Or is it the UN or some other global organisation.
The United Nations is only a tool used to try to cause the world to cooperate, and work together for peace, but is not the final solution, and not the initiator of Babylon.

And it is for sure not Jerusalem, although the man of sin will want to make his headquarters set up there, but the Jews were not the initiator of the Babylonian system coming back.

And even though the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down, it was not Rome that was the initiator of the Babylonian system, although they have a play in it, the Pope, and Vatican, which is actually in league with the initiator.

And Russia and America are actually both working together, as well as Democrat, and Republican, for it is the Hegel System, set up opposing forces, for it gets everyone involved, but no solution, but back and forth, then a compromise that works for both, and brings everyone together as one.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that were different than each other, which are the 4 ways of people, and although all 4 went by the 4 ways, there was 1 of those ways that was their chief mode of operation.

Babylon, lion, human religion, the occult, and when they lost the revelation of God they became known as the kingdom of man.

Medo-Persia, bear, physical cruelty.

Greece, leopard, human wisdom.

Roman Empire, iron, pushing for power, dominion, which they will become 10 horns, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, which is in the future, the 7th king, and the little horn, man of sin, New Age Christ comes from the ten horns, the 8th king, who is of the 7 kingdoms, for the devil influenced those kingdoms.

The first three kingdoms will never have dominion again, but their lives were prolonged for a time and a season, which means their ways are still on earth.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts them down, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, and even though all nations are together as one, the Roman Empire has the dominion.

Which all 4 kingdoms are at the beast kingdom, because they have not fallen yet, for their ways are still on earth, and they do not fall until Jesus hits the toes of the image of a man in Daniel 2, then all 4 kingdoms fall, for as long as their ways are on earth they have not fallen yet.

Which is why the beast kingdom has 10 horns, Roman Empire, physical dominion, with the ways of a lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, for that is what the beast kingdom is about, and acknowledge no personal god, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, which they believe the New Age Christ will cause them to evolve through nature to be greater, and spiritual.

The ways of a bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty, for they will try to get rid of everyone from the earth that oppose their kingdom, for they want peace on earth, and all opposing beliefs gone, and they do not need slaves to be around, for they do not need any work produced by people for their benefit, and do not have to eat, for they are an ascended master, and avatar like the man Jesus, and do not want to rule over the people that oppose them.

The ways of a leopard, Greece, human religion.

The beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in it's entirety, unlike kingdoms in the past that had a chief mode of operation, and the others were minor operations whatever ratio they were, but it is the 4 chief modes of all 4 kingdoms in the beast kingdom, and no minor role there.

Babylon will never have physical dominion again, but her ways are still on earth, and she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, which is what the beast kingdom is all about, so it is Babylon in spirit, for she has not fallen yet, for her ways are still on earth.

Babylon represents anything goes multiculturism, the worship of many gods, human religion, the occult, the kingdom of man, so she is mystery Babylon for she represents all the false religions, and all the false spiritual ways of the people of the world, in one unified religious system, and is identified as a woman.

And Babylon at one time acknowledged the God of Israel when king Nebuchadnezzar ruled, and proclaimed throughout his kingdom that anyone that says anything against the God of Israel shall be cut in pieces, and their house made a dunghill, and believed that until he died.

And they prospered from that, and their falseness they had among them was overlooked in that prosperity for they acknowledged the God of Israel.

That is why Babylon rode on eagle's wings for a while, and is referred to as gold, for they were actually the greatest Gentile kingdom of all.

But when the king died his son took the throne, and knew what his father believed, and how the kingdom was operating by putting the God of Israel first among the many gods, but took the vessels out of the temple of the LORD, and drank out of them praising false gods.

The eagle's wings were plucked, and lifted up from the earth, lost the revelation of God for good, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it, which they became the kingdom of man.

The kingdom was stripped from them, and because of their high revelation of God they fell hard, and became known as the kingdom of man, and represent the beast kingdom in the future, that is the kingdom of man.

And in Babylon was found all the slain upon earth, for Babylon represents all the wicked people that have ever lived on earth.

For you either belong to Babylon, the kingdom of man, or the kingdom of God.

The unified religious system prior to the beast operates for three and one half years representing all the religions of the world, and interpreted according to the occult, and evolution, even a false Christianity, which God warns us of the new age movement in the Bible, a false Islam, and a false Judaism, which they will attack all 3 one at a time.

Babylon has not fallen yet, for her ways are still on earth, and will come back, the daughter of Babylon, at the beast kingdom in the future.

And she lived deliciously, and in pleasure, and did trade with the world.

And when she falls the rest of the nations stand afar off for the fear of her torment.

So there was a certain nation that represents the Babylonian system that started it all that caused the world to go to the beast kingdom, for she was the foundation, and the start of why the world rebelled against God.

For she was a nation that allowed religious diversity, all ethnic groups to be there, worldliness, a system that caused money, and material things to flow like a raging river, and worked in the world unlike any other nation for peace, and did trade with the world, which they prospered economically because of her.

And even though they had falseness in their system like the Babylon of old, and the allowing of all religions to be practiced there, including Satanism, the occult, and the new age movement, and the worship of many gods, she prospered because she acknowledged the God of Israel, and allowed the people to worship the God of Israel, and no hindrance from access to the Bible, and to possess it, and preach it in the nation, and preach it in the world.

This nation is like the Babylon of old that started the system to come back, the initiator of why it happened to cause the world to head in the direction of the beast kingdom, fueled by the new age movement.

For like king Nebuchadnezzar's son that blew it, they too are blowing it, and the powers to be, the people who really are in charge, and cause big changes to happen, are of the occult, and want to establish the new age movement in the world as standard procedure, so they can produce the New Age Christ to be able to evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, which is based on the occult, and evolution, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all who do not love God.

The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked.

Babylon has not fallen yet, and will come back to life, and operate in the world at the beast kingdom, human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

And the woman riding the scarlet colored beast had a name written upon her forehead, Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots, and abominations, of the earth, for she represents all the false religions, all the false spirituality, all the false ways in general, and all the wicked people's ways.

When the beast claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and obtaining power, evolved, the ten horns hand their power over to the beast, and he gets control of the world.

And the ten horns shall hate the woman, and shall make her desolate, and naked, and eat her flesh, and burn her with fire, for they have no need of her anymore, the unified religious system, because it could not cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, but was a stepping stone, and precursor to the beast, for the beast will cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

And Babylon will fall, the nation that was responsible for initiating the Babylon kingdom to bring it back to life, and the nations will stand afar off for the fear of her torment, and cannot do trade with them anymore, and cannot do business with them anymore.
 

dcontroversal

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The United Nations is only a tool used to try to cause the world to cooperate, and work together for peace, but is not the final solution, and not the initiator of Babylon.

And it is for sure not Jerusalem, although the man of sin will want to make his headquarters set up there, but the Jews were not the initiator of the Babylonian system coming back.

And even though the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until God puts them down, it was not Rome that was the initiator of the Babylonian system, although they have a play in it, the Pope, and Vatican, which is actually in league with the initiator.

And Russia and America are actually both working together, as well as Democrat, and Republican, for it is the Hegel System, set up opposing forces, for it gets everyone involved, but no solution, but back and forth, then a compromise that works for both, and brings everyone together as one.

Daniel had a vision of 4 kingdoms that were different than each other, which are the 4 ways of people, and although all 4 went by the 4 ways, there was 1 of those ways that was their chief mode of operation.

Babylon, lion, human religion, the occult, and when they lost the revelation of God they became known as the kingdom of man.

Medo-Persia, bear, physical cruelty.

Greece, leopard, human wisdom.

Roman Empire, iron, pushing for power, dominion, which they will become 10 horns, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, which is in the future, the 7th king, and the little horn, man of sin, New Age Christ comes from the ten horns, the 8th king, who is of the 7 kingdoms, for the devil influenced those kingdoms.

The first three kingdoms will never have dominion again, but their lives were prolonged for a time and a season, which means their ways are still on earth.

The Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until Jesus puts them down, which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, and even though all nations are together as one, the Roman Empire has the dominion.

Which all 4 kingdoms are at the beast kingdom, because they have not fallen yet, for their ways are still on earth, and they do not fall until Jesus hits the toes of the image of a man in Daniel 2, then all 4 kingdoms fall, for as long as their ways are on earth they have not fallen yet.

Which is why the beast kingdom has 10 horns, Roman Empire, physical dominion, with the ways of a lion, Babylon, human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, for that is what the beast kingdom is about, and acknowledge no personal god, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, which they believe the New Age Christ will cause them to evolve through nature to be greater, and spiritual.

The ways of a bear, Medo-Persia, physical cruelty, for they will try to get rid of everyone from the earth that oppose their kingdom, for they want peace on earth, and all opposing beliefs gone, and they do not need slaves to be around, for they do not need any work produced by people for their benefit, and do not have to eat, for they are an ascended master, and avatar like the man Jesus, and do not want to rule over the people that oppose them.

The ways of a leopard, Greece, human religion.

The beast kingdom is the kingdom of man in it's entirety, unlike kingdoms in the past that had a chief mode of operation, and the others were minor operations whatever ratio they were, but it is the 4 chief modes of all 4 kingdoms in the beast kingdom, and no minor role there.

Babylon will never have physical dominion again, but her ways are still on earth, and she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man, which is what the beast kingdom is all about, so it is Babylon in spirit, for she has not fallen yet, for her ways are still on earth.

Babylon represents anything goes multiculturism, the worship of many gods, human religion, the occult, the kingdom of man, so she is mystery Babylon for she represents all the false religions, and all the false spiritual ways of the people of the world, in one unified religious system, and is identified as a woman.

And Babylon at one time acknowledged the God of Israel when king Nebuchadnezzar ruled, and proclaimed throughout his kingdom that anyone that says anything against the God of Israel shall be cut in pieces, and their house made a dunghill, and believed that until he died.

And they prospered from that, and their falseness they had among them was overlooked in that prosperity for they acknowledged the God of Israel.

That is why Babylon rode on eagle's wings for a while, and is referred to as gold, for they were actually the greatest Gentile kingdom of all.

But when the king died his son took the throne, and knew what his father believed, and how the kingdom was operating by putting the God of Israel first among the many gods, but took the vessels out of the temple of the LORD, and drank out of them praising false gods.

The eagle's wings were plucked, and lifted up from the earth, lost the revelation of God for good, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it, which they became the kingdom of man.

The kingdom was stripped from them, and because of their high revelation of God they fell hard, and became known as the kingdom of man, and represent the beast kingdom in the future, that is the kingdom of man.

And in Babylon was found all the slain upon earth, for Babylon represents all the wicked people that have ever lived on earth.

For you either belong to Babylon, the kingdom of man, or the kingdom of God.

The unified religious system prior to the beast operates for three and one half years representing all the religions of the world, and interpreted according to the occult, and evolution, even a false Christianity, which God warns us of the new age movement in the Bible, a false Islam, and a false Judaism, which they will attack all 3 one at a time.

Babylon has not fallen yet, for her ways are still on earth, and will come back, the daughter of Babylon, at the beast kingdom in the future.

And she lived deliciously, and in pleasure, and did trade with the world.

And when she falls the rest of the nations stand afar off for the fear of her torment.

So there was a certain nation that represents the Babylonian system that started it all that caused the world to go to the beast kingdom, for she was the foundation, and the start of why the world rebelled against God.

For she was a nation that allowed religious diversity, all ethnic groups to be there, worldliness, a system that caused money, and material things to flow like a raging river, and worked in the world unlike any other nation for peace, and did trade with the world, which they prospered economically because of her.

And even though they had falseness in their system like the Babylon of old, and the allowing of all religions to be practiced there, including Satanism, the occult, and the new age movement, and the worship of many gods, she prospered because she acknowledged the God of Israel, and allowed the people to worship the God of Israel, and no hindrance from access to the Bible, and to possess it, and preach it in the nation, and preach it in the world.

This nation is like the Babylon of old that started the system to come back, the initiator of why it happened to cause the world to head in the direction of the beast kingdom, fueled by the new age movement.

For like king Nebuchadnezzar's son that blew it, they too are blowing it, and the powers to be, the people who really are in charge, and cause big changes to happen, are of the occult, and want to establish the new age movement in the world as standard procedure, so they can produce the New Age Christ to be able to evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world, which is based on the occult, and evolution, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom for all who do not love God.

The new age movement is the beginning of the end for the wicked.

Babylon has not fallen yet, and will come back to life, and operate in the world at the beast kingdom, human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

And the woman riding the scarlet colored beast had a name written upon her forehead, Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots, and abominations, of the earth, for she represents all the false religions, all the false spirituality, all the false ways in general, and all the wicked people's ways.

When the beast claims to be God by harnessing the power of nature, and obtaining power, evolved, the ten horns hand their power over to the beast, and he gets control of the world.

And the ten horns shall hate the woman, and shall make her desolate, and naked, and eat her flesh, and burn her with fire, for they have no need of her anymore, the unified religious system, because it could not cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual, but was a stepping stone, and precursor to the beast, for the beast will cause them to evolve to be greater, and spiritual.

And Babylon will fall, the nation that was responsible for initiating the Babylon kingdom to bring it back to life, and the nations will stand afar off for the fear of her torment, and cannot do trade with them anymore, and cannot do business with them anymore.
For once I like SOME of what you said even though I disagree with your conclusion on Babylon....but you missed the mark on Belshazzar because Belshazzar was not Nebuchadnezzar's son....

Belshazzar is portrayed as the king of Babylon and "son" of Nebuchadnezzar, though he was actually the son of Nabonidus—one of Nebuchadnezzar's successors
 

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False miracles and false wonders by spiritual powers in high places but not of God ...
Fatima 1917
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celebrating the 100th anniversary of the "miracle" of Fatima - where Our Lady the Virgin Mary
appeared to the three children several times.
Later the Sun moved and danced in the sky before 70,000 of the faithful.
 

dcontroversal

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Read the 10 and 11 chapter of Daniel with your eyes open WAGS.......the 1st BEAST A.K.A. LITTLE HORN does not come from ROME.....the 2nd BEAST with two HORNS one higher than the the other DOES and POINTS to the FIRST beast which IS TIED to ABRAHAM and ISHMAEL......and for the record...the LAST 3 VICARS of CHRIST have BOWED to and KISSED the KORAN and EVEN now the CURRENT VICAR of CHRIST is in the process of REUNITING the WESTERN and EASTERN branches of Catholicism while EMBRACING ISLAM and MEETING with both the leaders of JUDAISM and FALSE LEADERS of apostate Christianity........

The LITTLE HORN COMES out of what ALEXANDER the GREAT conquered and then was divided by his 4 generals..........He does not come from ROME regardless of any and all that attempt to fit that square peg in a round HOLE.........

Go ahead and red X me........instead of just disagreeing with me openly and discussing the word!!
 

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There is no point 'debating' history or scriptures with those who are hard-headed and hard-hearted.
Even the manner you type out your replies shows up your attitude.

This is a public forum for the exchange of opinions and conversation about topics of choice.
If you believe Mystery Babylon is of Islam and the Koran then so be it.
I am not concerned by you putting forth your ideas on the topic.
But why do you get on a soapbox and shout loudly that you are correct and others are wrong.
Who cares if I am right or wrong in my opinions on church history and the influence of Rome.

This is Christian Chat not Congress.
 

dcontroversal

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There is no point 'debating' history or scriptures with those who are hard-headed and hard-hearted.
Even the manner you type out your replies shows up your attitude.

This is a public forum for the exchange of opinions and conversation about topics of choice.
If you believe Mystery Babylon is of Islam and the Koran then so be it.
I am not concerned by you putting forth your ideas on the topic.
But why do you get on a soapbox and shout loudly that you are correct and others are wrong.
Who cares if I am right or wrong in my opinions on church history and the influence of Rome.

This is Christian Chat not Congress.
The same could be said about almost everyone in here...I have seen the way you respond to anyone that disagrees with your charismatic salvation......and for sure we can judge by words on a page hey........and for the record..........we should ALL care if we are right or wrong....

As they say down in your neck of the woods...oooops BUSH WHATEVZZZZ MATE.......the tragic truth........everyone is an expert and no one is open to the truth....NO wonder JESUS asks if he will find faith when he returns.....!!

Do me a favor.....take 30 minutes and go read the 10th and 11th chapters of Daniel and then come back in honesty and tell me where the Little Horn comes from.......the forerunner and TYPE is Antiochus Epiphanes..........and how can I know he is tied to Abraham/Ishmael????

Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

ABRAHAM and ISHMAEL knew the ONE true GOD...and EVEN GOD blessed ISHMAEL with 12 SONS (NATIONS)

SO.....let us logically deduce a few things.....

a. We have a man that comes out of the area conquered by Alexander the Great, then divided by his 4 generals and then the KINGS of the NORTH fight the KINGS of the SOUTH with the KINGS of the NORTH winning (out of this area that they conquered) comes the above forerunner.....

b. HE is tied to Abraham and Ishmael due to the above references bolded and pay attention to the definite ARTICLE <--THE GOD not A GOD until the second BOLDED

c. HE will recognize, scrutinize and HONOR a god (small g) whom his FATHERS DID NOT KNOW while not regarding THE GOD of his FATHERS

SO.....A+B+C = HE MUST be ISLAMIC and a careful and HONEST evaluation of the AWAITED 12th IMAM/MADHI will reveal an entity that is IDENTICAL to the 1st BEAST A.K.A. ANTICHRIST of REVELATION

Why is it so hard to accept factual statements??
 

Waggles

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The same could be said about almost everyone in here...I have seen the way you respond to anyone that disagrees with your charismatic salvation......and for sure we can judge by words on a page hey........and for the record..........we should ALL care if we are right or wrong....
1. I am not charismatic
2. Don't get yer knickers in a knot - chill out.
You are entitled to post your opinions based on how you interpret Daniel and Revelation.
I am entitled to post my opinions on how I understand scripture and history to be.

I guess one day we will all see the truth on the six o'clock news.
 

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1. I am not charismatic
2. Don't get yer knickers in a knot - chill out.
You are entitled to post your opinions based on how you interpret Daniel and Revelation.
I am entitled to post my opinions on how I understand scripture and history to be.

I guess one day we will all see the truth on the six o'clock news.
Not charismatic? Is it you that believes in sign gifts.

Why wait to the six o'clock news .The good news is found in the scriptures.
 

Lanolin

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People can make up their own minds am not here to say which is right or wrong. Just want to explore the topic. If you have a different view then you have a different view. You can give reasons why you think your view aligns with scripture. If you disagree then just agree to disagree.


I dont know everything but sometimes I hear whenever theres a new president of the US someone always seems to put forth that they are 'the antichrist' but then wouldnt that apply to anyone that is ruler/leader/king of any country whos not a believer anyway. I can see why people might think that, but come on does anyone actually worship the President of the United states as God? As far as I know, nobody really does. Everyone knows they are human and only have four years of term to rule unless they are popular. So I would disagree with that idea, but the person who thinks that way may very well worship the PUSA.

Now a king or queen might be different. In certain countries, their leaders are seen as all powerful, but even if they are held in high regard and people hang on to every word they utter. people shouldnt be surprised that their leaders actually die and then dont come back to life. Even the pope is human. So to claim they are God is maybe a huge stretch of the imagination!

It would be more in the realms of crazy delusions like maybe Jim Jones and the peoples temple. But on a wider scale.
 

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There are many antichrists, however there is only one final one who will rule most of the world if not all of it for a brief period. It seems it will be all of it since he will have the power to force all to have his mark who are not sealed by the Holy Spirit…….you tell me.
 

Lanolin

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Only for an hour though. Rev 17:12
 

Lanolin

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Am thinking it is tied with Islam is in some way because of the dome of the Rock thats there on the temple mount. When Daniel was taken captive by the Babylonians the first time their kingdom was very rich but strict and it does remind me of the immensely wealthy sultans kingdoms esp places like Dubai that struck oil and just have everything exported there.

Or 'fabulous las vegas' known as sin city. Revelation 18:22 indicates this great city had a big entertainment industry associated with it. As well as luxury goods.

I have never been to Rome so cant really comment on what its like there. But it does have seven mountains...or is it hills. Are they the same. Its by the sea...ships ply their trade there.

I dont know maybe its a combination of islam and catholicism. Could that work.
 

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Am thinking it is tied with Islam is in some way because of the dome of the Rock thats there on the temple mount. When Daniel was taken captive by the Babylonians the first time their kingdom was very rich but strict and it does remind me of the immensely wealthy sultans kingdoms esp places like Dubai that struck oil and just have everything exported there.

Or 'fabulous las vegas' known as sin city. Revelation 18:22 indicates this great city had a big entertainment industry associated with it. As well as luxury goods.

I have never been to Rome so cant really comment on what its like there. But it does have seven mountains...or is it hills. Are they the same. Its by the sea...ships ply their trade there.

I dont know maybe its a combination of islam and catholicism. Could that work.
No, I must restate: Islam outright denies Christ. Antichrist, by definition, must claim to represent Messiah (Christ). And he must do this under a false banner and doctrine. :cool:
 

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No, I must restate: Islam outright denies Christ. Antichrist, by definition, must claim to represent Messiah (Christ). And he must do this under a false banner and doctrine. :cool:
Ok what about the madhis.
 

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No, I must restate: Islam outright denies Christ. Antichrist, by definition, must claim to represent Messiah (Christ). And he must do this under a false banner and doctrine. :cool:
By definition antichrist is against Christ and everything Christ is.
Islam does not deny Christ but states He was a prophet, not the Messiah.
If one will just study all the characteristics of the antichrist given in Scriptures, it is easy to see he does not resemble Christ, claims to be Christ, or even attempts to do so.
 

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If one will just study all the characteristics of the antichrist given in Scriptures, it is easy to see he does not resemble Christ, claims to be Christ, or even attempts to do so.
This makes absolutely no sense.

The Antichrist is created by Satan to deceive people into thinking that he is the true Christ. Jesus said that many would come claiming to be Christ, and there have been quite a few false christs since that time. But this Man of Sin will dazzle the world with his charisma and his miracles, while he claims to be God and Christ. And since God will send strong delusion on an unbelieving world at that time, almost the whole world will believe that he is the true Messiah.

Islam is expecting the Mahdi at "end of days". Judaism is expecting their Messiah also at the end of days. Even Hindus believe that "the Christ" will appear at the end of days. Therefore this man will somehow convince all these groups (along with the rest of the world) that he is "the Christ".
 

SpoonJuly

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This makes absolutely no sense.

The Antichrist is created by Satan to deceive people into thinking that he is the true Christ. Jesus said that many would come claiming to be Christ, and there have been quite a few false christs since that time. But this Man of Sin will dazzle the world with his charisma and his miracles, while he claims to be God and Christ. And since God will send strong delusion on an unbelieving world at that time, almost the whole world will believe that he is the true Messiah.

Islam is expecting the Mahdi at "end of days". Judaism is expecting their Messiah also at the end of days. Even Hindus believe that "the Christ" will appear at the end of days. Therefore this man will somehow convince all these groups (along with the rest of the world) that he is "the Christ".
I disagree.
This man will subdue 3 and the other 7 will lend their power to him for one purpose---
To destroy Israel,
We will know him when he takes a head wound, dies and stands back up alive.
Sounds like an assignation to me.
I believe Israel will se this man as a threat to them and will take him out only to have Satan raise him back up and empower him.

Most of the world is against Israel today and this man of sin will from day one speak against Israel and most if not all of the world governments will support him and his ridding the world of the Jews.

I believe the world is very deceived in believing the antichrist will be some good looking charismatic European who will claim to be Jesus.