Neat Discovery About John 3:13
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Dan 3:92 He answered, and said: Behold I see four men loose, and walking in the midst of the fire, and there is no hurt in them, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Therefore you describe the 1899 Douay-Rheims translation (Catholic) as "the inerrant word of God". From the same translation:
Matt 6:11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread.
So, KJV1611, the words of Jesus Christ in Matt 6:11 are "supersubstantial bread" according to your "the inerrant word of God" theory.
Based on my reading of the Greek, you (and the Vatican) have put words into the mouth of Jesus Christ based on a single verse in Dan 3.
Repent now.
Therefore you describe the 1899 Douay-Rheims translation (Catholic) as "the inerrant word of God". From the same translation:
Matt 6:11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread.
So, KJV1611, the words of Jesus Christ in Matt 6:11 are "supersubstantial bread" according to your "the inerrant word of God" theory.
Based on my reading of the Greek, you (and the Vatican) have put words into the mouth of Jesus Christ based on a single verse in Dan 3.
Repent now.
Daniel 3 was written in Aramaic, not Greek.
Almost certainly the problem is that you can't remember what you wrote just last week.
So let's try that theory then.
Titus 2:13 ... of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; (KJV PCE)
Titus 2:13 ... of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, (NKJV)
So your theory is that KJV translation is the correct one, which describes God (Theos) and Christ (Christos) separately, as in Acts 7:55 or some similar verse.
Your theory is also that the (actually correct) translation, the one that states very clearly that Jesus Christ is God, is incorrect.
2 Peter 1:1 says the same thing, it's not just Paul.
What is wrong with the translation that says Jesus Christ is God?
Almost certainly the problem is that you can't remember what you wrote just last week.
So let's try that theory then.
Titus 2:13 ... of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; (KJV PCE)
Titus 2:13 ... of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, (NKJV)
So your theory is that KJV translation is the correct one, which describes God (Theos) and Christ (Christos) separately, as in Acts 7:55 or some similar verse.
Your theory is also that the (actually correct) translation, the one that states very clearly that Jesus Christ is God, is incorrect.
2 Peter 1:1 says the same thing, it's not just Paul.
What is wrong with the translation that says Jesus Christ is God?
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To the person above:
The Bible calls the sky and couds heaven and space and stars anothe rheaven
the heaven planet where the temple is now and where the throne is is straight throug Orion nebula
That is where we go for the 1000 years then the New JErusalem comes down here with the thone and tree of life to make this planet the center of the universe, Gods home.
Back to the thread:
Nice discovery on John 3:13. I like it when new things unfold from the word. thank you.
The Bible calls the sky and couds heaven and space and stars anothe rheaven
the heaven planet where the temple is now and where the throne is is straight throug Orion nebula
That is where we go for the 1000 years then the New JErusalem comes down here with the thone and tree of life to make this planet the center of the universe, Gods home.
Back to the thread:
Nice discovery on John 3:13. I like it when new things unfold from the word. thank you.
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No, that certainly is a prophecy about the Antichrist of the 70th Week of Daniel, which finishes the Covenant with Israel after the Church is called out of Earth to go to the Wedding of the Lamb, which takes place in the New Dwelling Place HE has built for us in Heaven.
Matthew 20:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
If you really want to study this out, I know some sermon series by Dr. John MacArthur that are best that I have ever heard and they are free to listen to on-line. Dr. MacAurthur is Senior Pastor of Grace Community Church near L.A. and also President of the Master's College and Seminary in L.A.
Here are the sermon series about future prophecy that I highly recommend. I listened to them at least four times each back in the 80's, some sermons have been updated since I heard them.
Daniel Chapter 2
The Rise and Fall of the World, Part 1
The Rise and Fall of the World, Part 2
The Rise and Fall of the World, Part 3
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Daniel Chapter 7
The Coming Kingdom of Christ, Part 1
The Coming Kingdom of Christ, Part 2
The Coming Kingdom of Christ, Part 3
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Daniel Chapter 9
Israel's Future, Part 1
Israel's Future, Part 2
Israel's Future, Part 3
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Daniel Chapter 12
The Great Tribulation, Part 1
The Great Tribulation, Part 2
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Revelation
Grace to You
It took Dr. MacAurthur thirty six one hour sermons to teach verse by verse through Revelation. At least listen to the first sermon, called A Jet Tour Through Revelation. It is a quick overview of the entire book.
I'm the person above, I'm a Christian.
Do you know how to quote scripture? Use red-letters from the words of Jesus Christ and use the KJV as often as possible.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Furthermore, I'm not clear why, after I caught you lying about the Peshitta, that you would try and correct me rather than correcting yourself. You must think I'm really stupid.
Do you know how to quote scripture? Use red-letters from the words of Jesus Christ and use the KJV as often as possible.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Furthermore, I'm not clear why, after I caught you lying about the Peshitta, that you would try and correct me rather than correcting yourself. You must think I'm really stupid.
WHY?
I Currently have 8 Versions open on my WORDsearch 10 Bible software library, sometimes 10. I HAVE NO PROBLEM TEACHING FROM ANY ONE OF THEM. My favorite version of the Bible most certainly IS NOT the KJV because of the out dated language expressions of Old English. My three favorite (and I like all three equally) are NASB, NKJV, and HCSB.
SHOW ME THE VERSES THAT SAY:
"Thou shalt use the KJV as as often as possible."
"And the LORD thy GOD gave Spiritual guidance ONLY the KJV Translators."
Not sure what I mean by the "outdated expressions" of the King James English? Then compare these same verses
in the Old English and the Modern English. And this will be a copy/paste from Four versions with NO editing on my part.
Old English:
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
These Three are my Favorite Modern English Translations:
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one now restraining will do so until he is out of the way,
2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
Now you tell me HOW is the average person today supposed to understand the OLD ENGLISH Expression "letteth will let"
I know after comparing the outdated Old English with modern English, and reading the entire context in both, that what the KJV was saying, IS extremely difficult to understand in the KJV BECAUSE our English language changed. If I paraphrased the KJV to try to explain it's meaning, I would have to word it like this:
My Paraphrase of what the Old English expressions in 2 Thess. 2:7 are saying:
"For the mystery of iniquity (Satan) is already at work, only He (the Holy Spirit) who lets (Satan) only go so far, will continue to let (Satan) only go so far, until He (the Holy Spirit) is taken out of the way."
Hopefully you can now see why modern translations became NECESSARY, and that your attempts to impose your personal preference for the KJV on others, is NOT Biblical, nor is it necessary to teach the WORD of GOD. I am positive the KJV Translators prayed for Spiritual Guidance as they translated, and SO DID THE TRANSLATORS OF THE MODERN VERSIONS. It is what the verse MEANS by what it says that IS THE WORD OF GOD, not the print on the page, or we would all have to LEARN the original Languages. AND I have no problem hearing the same meaning in all 8 of the Translations that I use on a regular Basis.
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But maybe the latter is actually closer to the original Hebrew manuscripts?
Daniel didn't know about Jesus Christ, so it wouldn't make sense to say Son of God. Son of the gods implies a heavenly beings. In other passages sons of God are angels. I've always believed God sent an angel to be with Daniel and his friends in the furnace.
Daniel didn't know about Jesus Christ, so it wouldn't make sense to say Son of God. Son of the gods implies a heavenly beings. In other passages sons of God are angels. I've always believed God sent an angel to be with Daniel and his friends in the furnace.
Oh, I understand now, I skipped over this part, terribly sorry. Your whole essay starts with a basic misunderstanding of Old English vs. Modern English.
-> King James Version - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Despite some controversial translation choices, the merits of Tyndale's work and prose style made his translation the ultimate basis for all subsequent renditions into Early Modern English."
-> King James Version - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Despite some controversial translation choices, the merits of Tyndale's work and prose style made his translation the ultimate basis for all subsequent renditions into Early Modern English."
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1 Timothy 3:16
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.
First one must define what the SON of GOD is without relying on human understanding.
I feel many are defining the SON of God with humanly emotional terms as we view our own children as opposed to Spiritual biblical terms.
Is Gods arm too short...(Is God limited)
What bears witness to God?
...His own creation
What was all his creation born from?
He Spoke everything into existence, speaks what will happen.
(His WORD)...which was Born of Him and manifested in the flesh.
Can Gods word be both in the flesh and in heaven?
Would Gods word leave and not be present in heaven if it is ALSO manifested here?
Again...is Gods arm too short,,, and is God omnipresent?
Can Gods word be both present in heaven as well as on earth, especially if one considers all authority in heaven and earth is Given to Christ.
If all authority in heaven and earth is given to him then everything also obeys him.
Sounds very reminiscent of the Word which spoke everything into existence and everything obeyed that word to form into existence.
Some things to think about. As well the verse above in 1 Timothy notes there simply are mysteries, mysteries of the kingdom only God can reveal on a need to know basis.
His word, has all authority to define everything
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:
He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.
First one must define what the SON of GOD is without relying on human understanding.
I feel many are defining the SON of God with humanly emotional terms as we view our own children as opposed to Spiritual biblical terms.
Is Gods arm too short...(Is God limited)
What bears witness to God?
...His own creation
What was all his creation born from?
He Spoke everything into existence, speaks what will happen.
(His WORD)...which was Born of Him and manifested in the flesh.
Can Gods word be both in the flesh and in heaven?
Would Gods word leave and not be present in heaven if it is ALSO manifested here?
Again...is Gods arm too short,,, and is God omnipresent?
Can Gods word be both present in heaven as well as on earth, especially if one considers all authority in heaven and earth is Given to Christ.
If all authority in heaven and earth is given to him then everything also obeys him.
Sounds very reminiscent of the Word which spoke everything into existence and everything obeyed that word to form into existence.
Some things to think about. As well the verse above in 1 Timothy notes there simply are mysteries, mysteries of the kingdom only God can reveal on a need to know basis.
His word, has all authority to define everything
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Neat google discovery about melchisedec...There is a french inventor named after Melchisedec+h. He invented the spirit level. His last name is Thevenot(has)( the veil not). Spirit level i gather being lady justice for "the law" spiritually. Unveiled moses spoke to the lord with a shinning joy on his face but when he came out he spoke "the law" veiled to hide his joy from the people so they might see the law not of the spirit but of flesh and blood.
Understanding what scripture means by the "son of man" is pivotal in understanding about Christ and the Jews view of Christ. The scripture that the Jews looked to in the prophecy about Christ was in Daniel.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
They thought of this as saying that God was sending leaders for them, like God sent such as David. You will see, in the new testament, several times when Christ was asked if he was the son of man, and when they determined he was they accepted Christ as the Son of God.
In Acts it tells of the many Jews who accepted Christ as who He was, based on this scripture. It wasn't until 134, the revolt of the Jews of Bar Kochba that the Jews remaining alive were mostly those who rejected Christ.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
They thought of this as saying that God was sending leaders for them, like God sent such as David. You will see, in the new testament, several times when Christ was asked if he was the son of man, and when they determined he was they accepted Christ as the Son of God.
In Acts it tells of the many Jews who accepted Christ as who He was, based on this scripture. It wasn't until 134, the revolt of the Jews of Bar Kochba that the Jews remaining alive were mostly those who rejected Christ.
NO, that would apply to a Paraphrase such as the New Living Bible, NOT A TRANSLATION. It is not a Translation if you just go from Old English to New English, YOU have to actually Translate it from the oldest validated original Language Manuscripts available, to call it a Translation. I do not like to use ANY Paraphrase Versions, ONLY Translations.
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