Need help with discussion of gays from biblical view

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Mitspa

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mbarham said:
The bible does not indicate a lot of things. It says nothing about black holes, or electrons, or heavy metal music. That does not mean it is not true.
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How would you know? Don't seem you put much value in the bible?
 
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Mitspa

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Magenta said:
That looks like a logical fallacy to me. Just because it may be true for one issue does not mean it necessarily holds true for others.
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No the fallacy would be to assume that only gays get the exception for their perversion and other perverts are held accountable. . It's absurd to assume some sins are genetic and others are not... you have to "want" to believe that . For it to be logical to you.
 
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Always keep Jesus at the center of any discussion whether the person is straight or not. All men are sinners and all must come to a saving knowledge of Christ or be forever condemned.

All men choose to sin because they have a self will that causes them to do what they want even if it's against God's will.

God's great love for mankind extends to every man but every man must choose to receive Christ or they perish for eternity.

God will save any man who comes to Him and seeks forgiveness through Jesus Christ's shed blood on Calvary. If the person does not exhibit newness of life then there hangs over them a great question of whether they truly possess what they profess.

Romans chapter one. John chapter three.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Mitspa said:
No the fallacy would be to assume that only gays get the exception for their perversion and other perverts are held accountable. . It's absurd to assume some sins are genetic and others are not... you have to "want" to believe that . For it to be logical to you.
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We are all born dead to God, in need of a rebirth. That is a spiritual condition. Is sexual orientation a spiritual condition? I have never heard pedophilia described as an orientation before. Do you have something on that? Also, I did not make an assumption. I simply said that even if homosexuality was genetic, it would not necessarily follow that pedophilia was or any other perversion for that matter, and saying so would be a logical fallacy (known as a non sequitur). Here are my exact words: Just because it may be true for one issue does not mean it necessarily holds true for others. I am not sure what grounds you think you can dispute that on. It cannot be refuted.
 
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Magenta said:
We are all born dead to God, in need of a rebirth. That is a spiritual condition.
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Does this mean all the infants who die go to Hell?
 
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mbarham said:
The bible does not indicate a lot of things. It says nothing about black holes, or electrons, or heavy metal music. That does not mean it is not true.
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No, I meant the Bible doesn't say that. It says that we are born in sin and we choose to follow Him or to die in sin. It would be a cruel god who created someone gay or with a gay gene or inclination,whatever you want to call it, then condemn them for that sin. The Bible does not teach this,period.
 
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Blain said:
Now I believe they are born with such desires and has to do with the genetic make up, they flipped out.
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I'm sorry if i upset anyone with my remark of being genetic I will not deny it is a sin but my issue with it is this if it is not something they are born with than why do they have such desires?
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I wouldn't worry about it, some people are offended no matter how you phrase something. They want your approval, so discussing the cause of their behavior will always be met with disapproval, because it suggest its wrong. And I think you were being polite, because if someone wasn't born gay, then their same sex activity can only be perceived as a perversion. The bible simply says not to engage in it, there's no exceptions listed, Paul refers to it as unnatural lust.
 
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Mitspa said:
I think the Mod was seeing the same issue with these gay threads as I and others have seen...it seems the issue is being brought up time and time again as if it's a special class of sin deserving special consideration, instead of being put in its place with adultery and fornication and other perversions that we all agree is not to be advanced or approved by those who claim to represent Christ and His truth....and these type threads often turn into a battle against other members who hold the biblical perspective against sexual perversions.
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while all you say is true the reason I made this thread was for help in a discussion that I was not sure i was fit to handle, i said my opinion but I came to you guys for clarification. Like I told cs1 he can delete the thread if he wants because I got the answers I needed and the discussion in that other christian forum I go to and that I made the post for turned out ok thanks everyones help.
He didn't delete the thread so I am assuming he saw no need to-yet.
But as i said in my op if this begins to turn into a lets attack the gays thread I will not tolerate that behavior and will have the thread delete immediately
 
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Mitspa

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Magenta said:
We are all born dead to God, in need of a rebirth. That is a spiritual condition. Is sexual orientation a spiritual condition? I have never heard pedophilia described as an orientation before. Do you have something on that? Also, I did not make an assumption. I simply said that even if homosexuality was genetic, it would not necessarily follow that pedophilia was or any other perversion for that matter, and saying so would be a logical fallacy (known as a non sequitur). Here are my exact words: Just because it may be true for one issue does not mean it necessarily holds true for others. I am not sure what grounds you think you can dispute that on. It cannot be refuted.
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Again you are left with the logic that sexual perversion is a birthright for some and not for others ..that's illogical .. and clearly based on the common attempt in our society to justify this perversion as acceptable.. nothing more that gay agenda propaganda that twist the truth into a thousand lies.
 
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Mitspa

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Blain said:
while all you say is true the reason I made this thread was for help in a discussion that I was not sure i was fit to handle, i said my opinion but I came to you guys for clarification. Like I told cs1 he can delete the thread if he wants because I got the answers I needed and the discussion in that other christian forum I go to and that I made the post for turned out ok thanks everyones help.
He didn't delete the thread so I am assuming he saw no need to-yet.
But as i said in my op if this begins to turn into a lets attack the gays thread I will not tolerate that behavior and will have the thread delete immediately
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"Let's attack the gays thread"??? That's not where the attacks are focused..the attacks are focused upon those who resist the lies that are being promoted by the gay agenda..Like the idea that folks are born "gay" ..that's strait out of the Devils handbook and is being promoted by many who seem determined to justify this wickedness by any nonsense the world can come up with. . And the Mod ..I believe was speaking to that very point..seeing that's how you started this thread.
 
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Mitspa said:
"Let's attack the gays thread"??? That's not where the attacks are focused..the attacks are focused upon those who resist the lies that are being promoted by the gay agenda..Like the idea that folks are born "gay" ..that's strait out of the Devils handbook and is being promoted by many who seem determined to justify this wickedness by any nonsense the world can come up with. . And the Mod ..I believe was speaking to that very point..seeing that's how you started this thread.
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I have seen several attack the gays threads and I can assure you not all who claim to love are love.
I have no intention of justifying their life style and that is not how I started this thread either I started it seeking help I am not the sort to try to justify evil or to fan the flame within the forums it may be a very sensitive subject and may have been debated a lot however that doesn't mean it isn't worth discussing and we cannot assume anyone who makes a thread about it has ill intentions. you know me well enough to know that I hate how the bdf is a blood field so why would I try to fuel that fire?
 
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Mitspa said:
"Let's attack the gays thread"??? That's not where the attacks are focused..the attacks are focused upon those who resist the lies that are being promoted by the gay agenda..Like the idea that folks are born "gay" ..that's strait out of the Devils handbook and is being promoted by many who seem determined to justify this wickedness by any nonsense the world can come up with. . And the Mod ..I believe was speaking to that very point..seeing that's how you started this thread.
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What is "the gay agenda" to you, Mitspa?
 
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Mitspa

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Blain said:
I have seen several attack the gays threads and I can assure you not all who claim to love are love.
I have no intention of justifying their life style and that is not how I started this thread either I started it seeking help I am not the sort to try to justify evil or to fan the flame within the forums it may be a very sensitive subject and may have been debated a lot however that doesn't mean it isn't worth discussing and we cannot assume anyone who makes a thread about it has ill intentions. you know me well enough to know that I hate how the bdf is a blood field so why would I try to fuel that fire?
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Fair enough..but I think u must understand why folks would take serious issue with the idea that this sin is genetic ..seeing that's the foundation of a whole host of gay propaganda
 
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Mitspa

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BrotherJustin said:
What is "the gay agenda" to you, Mitspa?
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It's the agenda to make the sexual perversion Of homosexuality a d other related wickedness acceptable and approved in our society..as a general rule... but when you consider how it's influence is being seen in the Church of God. ..that's when it really becomes offensive to godly people...as it was written about righteous Lot..his righteous soul was vexed by this sort or evil.
 
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Mitspa said:
Fair enough..but I think u must understand why folks would take serious issue with the idea that this sin is genetic ..seeing that's the foundation of a whole host of gay propaganda
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I wouldn't know what the (gay propaganda ) but I tihnk there is a difference in believing they were born that way and using that as an excuse.
If a gay believes it's genetic that is one thing it's another entirely if they use that as an excuse to live that way with no accountability
 
Blain

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Ok is there is a more respectful thing to address them as? calling them gays or homosexuals doesn't feel right to me
 
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Blain said:
Ok is there is a more respectful thing to address them as? calling them gays or homosexuals doesn't feel right to me
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Humans with homosexual tendencies?

I get hung up on this one sometimes too.
I used to think 'gay' was derogatory--but it seems the word is common and accepted nowadays.
 
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