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In post 213 you stated, “Since God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels”.

Since I know that Scripture doesn’t contain such a statement, I asked in post 215, “Where does God state clearly that the sons of God are angels?”

In post 217 you responded with, “The Holy Spirit stated it clearly and our LORD Jesus Christ, the Creator, also stated it clearly.”

In post 218 I responded, “You dodged that almost completely. WHERE in Scripture did the Holy Spirit state clearly that the sons of God are angels??" I gave more info in 219 and rephrased my question.

In post 221 you said, “I see your dilemma” and pointed me to post 118.

I responded in post 225 with “There is no dilemma. Job 1:6 and 2:1 both use the same Hebrew phrase bene ha'elohim. This means "sons of God", not "angels". The Hebrew word for angels is ha'malakim. It's a different root with a different meaning. In other words, you have still provided no evidence for your claim.”

Read on from there. I have provided evidence contradicting your claim. You have not provided clear evidence supporting it. Instead, you have advised me to just believe every word of Scripture… implying clearly that I don’t... while you blather on about "Christian love". I don't consider insults and arrogance to be consistent with Christian love at all.

Again, your claim, which I reject as erroneous:

“God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels” or, more succinctly, “God clearly said that the sons of God are angels”.

At no time have I asserted that the sons of God are not angels, nor that they are humans, nor anything else. I am simply and directly challenging your assertion as you worded it.

God has not “clearly” said that the sons of God are angels. For your assertion to be true, there would have to be a text in Scripture where God says something very much like, “The sons of God are angels”. That would be a clear statement. There is no such statement.

You pointed to several passages where “sons of God” are mentioned, and made some logical leaps to support your assertion. Let me be “clear”: If an assertion requires logical leaps, it isn’t clearly stated!

So, perhaps next time, instead of going off on an irrelevant rant implying that others are inferior to you, read carefully what they are saying, don’t make assumptions, and definitely don't imply that they don't believe or adding to Scripture! Further, don't be a hypocrite, doing exactly what you criticize others for doing.
PART 3

Can you SEE what Hebrews ch1 says?

To which of the angels did God, the FATHER, say You are My Son = singular and Today I have begotten You = singular.

Hebrews ch1 ONLY pertains to the virgin birth of Jesus = God becoming a man = "the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us"
Hebrews = ONLY Begotten Son of the Father

Now let's look at what the LORD Jesus said in Luke ch20 = here is your NT scripture denoting angels are sons of God

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore,
for they are equal/like the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Here is the OT Scripture denoting "sons of God" are angels = Gen ch6, Job ch1 ch2 and ch38

ch 1 -Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

ch 2 - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.

Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
chapter 38

God gave eight distinct names to signify angels = #1 Sons of God and #2 Angels #3 Cherubim #4 Seraphim #5 Archangel #6 Messenger #7 Ministers #8 Flames of Fire

There may be more names as i did not do a exhaustive search

Example: Jesus is Elohim, the WORD, God, Son of God, Son of Man, Creator, the Holy One, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father, the Way, the Truth and the Life, Redeemer, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End, and there are more.
 
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You said: God has not “clearly” said that the sons of God are angels. For your assertion to be true, there would have to be a text in Scripture where God says something very much like, “The sons of God are angels”.

God did make a clear statement that the "sons of God are angels" = Genesis ch6, Job ch1 ch2 ch38 , Jude, 2 Peter , Luke 20:34

We are to believe "every word that comes out of the mouth of God".

God arranged the Scripture, as shown above, to make it abundantly clear that "sons of God" are angels/spiritual beings.

What everyone here is confused about is how that applies to us who are Born-Again.
 
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In post 213 you stated, “Since God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels”.

Since I know that Scripture doesn’t contain such a statement, I asked in post 215, “Where does God state clearly that the sons of God are angels?”

In post 217 you responded with, “The Holy Spirit stated it clearly and our LORD Jesus Christ, the Creator, also stated it clearly.”

In post 218 I responded, “You dodged that almost completely. WHERE in Scripture did the Holy Spirit state clearly that the sons of God are angels??" I gave more info in 219 and rephrased my question.

In post 221 you said, “I see your dilemma” and pointed me to post 118.

I responded in post 225 with “There is no dilemma. Job 1:6 and 2:1 both use the same Hebrew phrase bene ha'elohim. This means "sons of God", not "angels". The Hebrew word for angels is ha'malakim. It's a different root with a different meaning. In other words, you have still provided no evidence for your claim.”

Read on from there. I have provided evidence contradicting your claim. You have not provided clear evidence supporting it. Instead, you have advised me to just believe every word of Scripture… implying clearly that I don’t... while you blather on about "Christian love". I don't consider insults and arrogance to be consistent with Christian love at all.

Again, your claim, which I reject as erroneous:

“God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels” or, more succinctly, “God clearly said that the sons of God are angels”.

At no time have I asserted that the sons of God are not angels, nor that they are humans, nor anything else. I am simply and directly challenging your assertion as you worded it.

God has not “clearly” said that the sons of God are angels. For your assertion to be true, there would have to be a text in Scripture where God says something very much like, “The sons of God are angels”. That would be a clear statement. There is no such statement.

You pointed to several passages where “sons of God” are mentioned, and made some logical leaps to support your assertion. Let me be “clear”: If an assertion requires logical leaps, it isn’t clearly stated!

So, perhaps next time, instead of going off on an irrelevant rant implying that others are inferior to you, read carefully what they are saying, don’t make assumptions, and definitely don't imply that they don't believe or adding to Scripture! Further, don't be a hypocrite, doing exactly what you criticize others for doing.

The Holy Spirit has used different names for the SAME thing/person/place.

God gave eight distinct names to signify angels = #1 Sons of God and #2 Angels #3 Cherubim #4 Seraphim #5 Archangel #6 Messenger #7 Ministers #8 Flames of Fire #9 Satan #10 Michael #11 Gabriel

There may be more names as i did not do a exhaustive search

Example: Jesus is Elohim, the WORD, God, Son of God, Son of Man, Creator, the Holy One, Prince of Peace, Wonderful Counselor, Everlasting Father, the Way, the Truth and the Life, Redeemer, Alpha and Omega, Beginning and the End, and there are more.
 
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In post 213 you stated, “Since God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels”.

Since I know that Scripture doesn’t contain such a statement, I asked in post 215, “Where does God state clearly that the sons of God are angels?”

In post 217 you responded with, “The Holy Spirit stated it clearly and our LORD Jesus Christ, the Creator, also stated it clearly.”

In post 218 I responded, “You dodged that almost completely. WHERE in Scripture did the Holy Spirit state clearly that the sons of God are angels??" I gave more info in 219 and rephrased my question.

In post 221 you said, “I see your dilemma” and pointed me to post 118.

I responded in post 225 with “There is no dilemma. Job 1:6 and 2:1 both use the same Hebrew phrase bene ha'elohim. This means "sons of God", not "angels". The Hebrew word for angels is ha'malakim. It's a different root with a different meaning. In other words, you have still provided no evidence for your claim.”

Read on from there. I have provided evidence contradicting your claim. You have not provided clear evidence supporting it. Instead, you have advised me to just believe every word of Scripture… implying clearly that I don’t... while you blather on about "Christian love". I don't consider insults and arrogance to be consistent with Christian love at all.

Again, your claim, which I reject as erroneous:

“God clearly said that sons of God, which HE said are angels” or, more succinctly, “God clearly said that the sons of God are angels”.

At no time have I asserted that the sons of God are not angels, nor that they are humans, nor anything else. I am simply and directly challenging your assertion as you worded it.

God has not “clearly” said that the sons of God are angels. For your assertion to be true, there would have to be a text in Scripture where God says something very much like, “The sons of God are angels”. That would be a clear statement. There is no such statement.

You pointed to several passages where “sons of God” are mentioned, and made some logical leaps to support your assertion. Let me be “clear”: If an assertion requires logical leaps, it isn’t clearly stated!

So, perhaps next time, instead of going off on an irrelevant rant implying that others are inferior to you, read carefully what they are saying, don’t make assumptions, and definitely don't imply that they don't believe or adding to Scripture! Further, don't be a hypocrite, doing exactly what you criticize others for doing.
The Holy Spirit has used different names for the SAME thing/person/place.

God gave eight distinct names to signify angels = #1 Sons of God and #2 Angels #3 Cherubim #4 Seraphim #5 Archangel #6 Messenger #7 Ministers #8 Flames of Fire #9 Satan #10 Michael #11 Gabriel

"Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back."
Revelation ch12
 

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The Holy Spirit has used different names for the SAME thing/person/place.

God gave eight distinct names to signify angels = #1 Sons of God and #2 Angels #3 Cherubim #4 Seraphim #5 Archangel #6 Messenger #7 Ministers #8 Flames of Fire #9 Satan #10 Michael #11 Gabriel
The Holy Spirit did not give eight (or more) names to signify angels.

Cherubim are not angels. Seraphim are not angels. Ministers is a general term not specific to angels. Flames of fire are not angels. Satan is not an angel. Michael and Gabriel are personal names, not generic names, and "archangels" is a subcategory, not a general term.

Because, instead of thinking through what I told you to think through, you repeated yourself in your previous four or five posts, I'm not going to bother responding further. I see no reason to entertain your stubborn refusal to learn.

I will just state, once again, you are wrong. Your assertion is wrong, your misinterpretations of Scripture are wrong, your additions to Scripture are wrong, and your process of reasoning is wrong. Further, your stubbornness is wrong and your refusal to learn is wrong. Your arrogance is wrong and, finally, your misguided assurance that you are right... is wrong.
 

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This is GREAT - i love you guys and BEST of ALL i love the Holy Spirit of Truth, who stands with me
only because i am on His Side of Truth on this current subject matter which HE delegated for you to believe.

"For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually."

KEY to unlocking Truth is "believe every word and do not add or take away".

#1.) Melchizedek is never mentioned or alluded/referenced to concerning to and specifically to Genesis chapter 6.

#2.) Melchizedek = "without father, without mother, without genealogy, = 3 strikes your out brother

#3.) Melchizedek = "having neither beginning of days nor end of life"

#4.) Melchizedek = "made like the Son of God" = not 'a' son of God but but 'the' SON of God

#5.) You failed your "elementary" principals on this subject in almost every aspect = from the very beginning.

#6.) Return to the correct Path of Truth = Deut 4:1-2 , Proverbs 30:5-6 , 2 Timothey 2:15 , 1 john 2:21 , Revelation 22:18-19

The Holy Spirit is working GREATLY on behalf of everyone here who is willing = do not miss out.

Are you serious? :rolleyes: Just say you don't understand the initial covenant, the priests before the law, etc. You totally missed my point.

John 1 "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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The Holy Spirit did not give eight (or more) names to signify angels.

Cherubim are not angels. Seraphim are not angels. Ministers is a general term not specific to angels. Flames of fire are not angels. Satan is not an angel. Michael and Gabriel are personal names, not generic names, and "archangels" is a subcategory, not a general term.

Because, instead of thinking through what I told you to think through, you repeated yourself in your previous four or five posts, I'm not going to bother responding further. I see no reason to entertain your stubborn refusal to learn.

I will just state, once again, you are wrong. Your assertion is wrong, your misinterpretations of Scripture are wrong, your additions to Scripture are wrong, and your process of reasoning is wrong. Further, your stubbornness is wrong and your refusal to learn is wrong. Your arrogance is wrong and, finally, your misguided assurance that you are right... is wrong.
Angels are a generic term to signify spiritual beings.
Men are a generic term to signify human beings of the flesh.
Angels have names.
Men have names.
"sons of God" are a term that denotes angels and/or spiritual beings
"sons of God" does not signify 'men of the flesh' and never does = Jesus made that crystal clear in Luke 20:34
Are you serious? :rolleyes: Just say you don't understand the initial covenant, the priests before the law, etc. You totally missed my point.

I understood perfectly your point and it was erroneously misapplied to Genesis ch6 - again.

I am amazed that you cannot SEE and understand Hebrews 7:1-3

Pray that God removes the 'elementary' blinders so that you can SEE what the Scripture is saying = loud and clear.

Do you understand "Son of God" in Hebrews ch1?

By inappropriate use of the Holy Scripture you are trying to force an error upon the Truth = God's Truth.
 

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I went back and read parts of this thread. It's apparent you simply want to be right and are not open to understanding. I will not spare any more of my time in this thread.
 

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Pray that God removes the 'elementary' blinders so that you can SEE what the Scripture is saying = loud and clear.
DROP THIS DISGUSTING ARROGANCE! It is the antithesis of Christian love!
 
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I went back and read parts of this thread. It's apparent you simply want to be right and are not open to understanding. I will not spare any more of my time in this thread.
It is apparent you think more highly of yourself then you should and have no fear in your behavior toward the Scripture.

Continue in twisting/changing Scripture by falsely claiming = "sons of God" were men of the flesh.
 
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Are you serious? :rolleyes: Just say you don't understand the initial covenant, the priests before the law, etc. You totally missed my point.

John 1 "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
You do not fully understand the very scriptures that you posted here.

READ Luke 20:34

The term/phrase "sons of God" ONLY applies to "spiritual beings" = it does not apply to the flesh.
 
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Are you serious? :rolleyes: Just say you don't understand the initial covenant, the priests before the law, etc. You totally missed my point.

John 1 "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Open your eyes to the very scripture you posted:

He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that,
when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is

"sons of God" never is part of the human body of flesh = "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God".

Are you able to understand this???
 
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The Nephilim are not "sons of God" and never were.

The Nephilim are human/angel hybrid offspring.

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

There is no Scripture that states the Caananite lineage were the "sons of God" of Genesis ch6.

There is not a single scripture that states the "sons of God" of Gen ch6 are "men" = not one.
 
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No one can fault you for lacking passion. :)

It requires wisdom.
We know Melcizedek represents the priesthood that Christ restored. Christ is the high priest of that priesthood. Hebrews notes that Melchizedek was “like a Son of God”. Furthermore, there are no priests without a covenant. The priests, who administrated the covenant of God with God, are found at Sinai before the Law was given. They were typically the oldest males within each family.

Don’t get hung up on the phrase “sons of God”. Although it’s clearly in the NT referring to believers, you’ll find many more references to other words for son: neipios, teknon, neoniscus, huios. These are all “son” in the Greek with particular connotations. These are to be understood spiritually because God is the father of our spirits.

Wisdom says: "Mechizedek was like the Son of God," = the scripture does not say "a" son of God.

You twisted scripture again here = what a shame you lack "wisdom" to see the truth.

Repent from your hardness of heart.

Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
 

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What fellers are you referring to in this reply to the scripture that I offered saying, We even saw the Nephilim there -the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephelim, the ones the spies saw or the ones descended from Anak whom Arba is a forefather of (Joshua 15:14 in the context of when Joshua drove out Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak)? These are all descended from human fathers who were descended from Adam, the son of God (Luke 3:38). Adam was not the begotten son of God and neither are Nephilim begotten of any demigod or half-breed angel. Nephilim is a term used for a group of people, Anakites for one in the example mentioned in Numbers 13:33, much like we might refer to the pygmies in an example of a group of little people.


The Nephilim are not "sons of God" and never were.

The Nephilim are human/angel hybrid offspring.

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

There is no Scripture that states the Caananite lineage were the "sons of God" of Genesis ch6.

There is not a single scripture that states the "sons of God" of Gen ch6 are "men" = not one.
 
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What fellers are you referring to in this reply to the scripture that I offered saying, We even saw the Nephilim there -the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephelim, the ones the spies saw or the ones descended from Anak whom Arba is a forefather of (Joshua 15:14 in the context of when Joshua drove out Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak)? These are all descended from human fathers who were descended from Adam, the son of God (Luke 3:38). Adam was not the begotten son of God and neither are Nephilim begotten of any demigod or half-breed angel. Nephilim is a term used for a group of people, Anakites for one in the example mentioned in Numbers 13:33, much like we might refer to the pygmies in an example of a group of little people.
The Nephilim came from the human/angel hybrid = Genesis 6:1-4

Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.

So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.”

The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and afterward as wellwhen the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men.

So we see from scripture that the Origin of how the genetic pool was tainted by fallen angels.
That genetic taint continued even AFTER the flood.

The Nephilim
הַנְּפִלִ֞ים (han·nə·p̄i·lîm)
Article | Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 5303: 1) giants, the Nephilim
 
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What fellers are you referring to in this reply to the scripture that I offered saying, We even saw the Nephilim there -the descendants of Anak that come from the Nephelim, the ones the spies saw or the ones descended from Anak whom Arba is a forefather of (Joshua 15:14 in the context of when Joshua drove out Sheshai, Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak)? These are all descended from human fathers who were descended from Adam, the son of God (Luke 3:38). Adam was not the begotten son of God and neither are Nephilim begotten of any demigod or half-breed angel. Nephilim is a term used for a group of people, Anakites for one in the example mentioned in Numbers 13:33, much like we might refer to the pygmies in an example of a group of little people.
Keep in mind this Principal of Thought from our Heavenly Father = Genesis gives us Origin/Beginning.

God only has to say something once in Genesis and then it can carry over further down the road in Scripture whereby the Holy Spirit will bear witness to Genesis, as HE did in Job ch1 ch2 ch38 , Jude 3-7 , 2 Peter 2:4-6 ,

NOTE: a "son of God" is not born thru "flesh and blood" = see Post 393
 

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i accept ALL challengers = You , CS1, Aaron56

Follow your own guideline = "let's follow what scripture says"

Please provide the Scriptural Evidence that states the Genesis ch6 "sons of God" are "men of the flesh".

Scripture is Self-Correcting = find your evidence that is directly referencing Genesis ch6 "sons of God".

FYI I DID PROVIDE IT FOR YOU TWICE, post 299 and 307. get over yourself. No one is challenging you. We are providing scripture as to the context of Gen chapter 6. You accept or not. The sad thing is when you are given scripture from the opposing view, you result to name calling as to say one is a liar or needs to repent. Real students of the word of God don't have to do that. You can get off your soap box now and continue with your opinion on gen chapter 6. :)
 
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FYI I DID PROVIDE IT FOR YOU TWICE, post 299 and 307. get over yourself. No one is challenging you. We are providing scripture as to the context of Gen chapter 6. You accept or not. The sad thing is when you are given scripture from the opposing view, you result to name calling as to say one is a liar or needs to repent. Real students of the word of God don't have to do that. You can get off your soap box now and continue with your opinion on gen chapter 6. :)
No one has provided a single scripture that claims "sons of God" in Gen ch6 were men.

Your Post 299 = Your words: the phrase "sons of God referred to men, not angels, in this Hebrew passage in Genesis 6.
Your lie against the Word of God = In Genesis 6: "son of God" means bene - men, not angels.

Your Post 299 is a perfect example of flawed human intellect "adding to and taking away" from the words of God.

You and the others need to humble your proud hearts that is exalted above the words of God.

The extreme lack of conviction whereby you and the others feel unashamedly to change Scripture for your pleasure.

If you repent now God will bless you to escape giving an account for = "In Genesis 6: "son of God" means bene - men"

Hold unto your error and you will be rebuked in the Presence of the LORD Jesus Christ and the Holy angels.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6

Not one of you have provided a single scripture that claims "sons of God" in Gen ch6 were men.

Not one scripture claims that sinful flesh has been "Born Again" into the "sons of God".
See this error in Post 386


The correction of the error in 386 is in Post 393.