Nephilim On The Ark

MaggieMye · May 26, 2011

You wrote, "You MUST UNDERSTAND that Adam's disobedience WAS GOD'S PLAN." and "It was the only way that the human race could expand."
This sounds like a sadistic God created robotic children to follow his one and only chosen plan of misery, rather than a loving God who devised plan B in order to restore his original plan.
And...why would you need to disobey in order to have children and expand the human race? Plan A was that all would obey and spend eternity with Him. Plan B was devised because Adam WOULD sin. Plan B-A is that all accept Christ as Savior and Lord and REGAIN plan A and spend eternity in Heaven with Him, and those that do NOT chose Christ, endure the consequences of their CHOICE.

Can you help me out here? I thought the bible bible stated that God is all knowing, however, I cannot find it right now. I believe this only applies to things only AFTER they have been created (for example: he can read our hearts and he knows how many hairs are on our heads, etc.) Rev. 19:6describes the Lord God OMINIPOTENT, which means “all knowing, ever-present.

1 John 3:19-21 (NASB)

19We will know by this that we are of the truth, and will assure our heart before Him
20in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things.
21Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;

Scotth1960 · May 26, 2011

trust_in_the_name said:

Dear trust in the name, What do you think the Nephilim are? Do you believe, along with the heretical

Book of Enoch, that angels (fallen angels/ demons) had sex with the daughters of men, and produced

giants (were these the nephilim). The Book of Enoch is heretical. It has been rejected by the True Church.

Any view of angels being able to have sex is heretical. Angels are bodiless powers, incapable of sexual

intercourse. Fallen angels are also bodiless, and so they can't have carnal relations with people, either.

Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Maybe you could do a Google search on Nephilim if you

want to find an objective answer. I am not interested in this question. Obscure references from the

OT (Old Testament) and from Daniel and Revelation don't interest me! But maybe you could find a

good answer from the ISBE International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. I don't know for sure if that

is a good, unbiased reference work, but most encyclopedias generally give at least some good answers.

God has gifted everyone with different interests of the Bible. All of the Bible is completely the Word

of God. But not everyone is interested in every Bible verse. OT references which refer to OT

sanctions against sins don't interest me much. We are not under the OT Law and its punishments any

more. Christ said God and sin no more, and Let he that is without sin throw the first rock. So the NT

is against killing adulterers and adulteresses. It is against sin, but it is also against the OT punishments

for sin, which, for most any sin, was always death. Well, God will allow all people to die, since all have

sinned. But God does not rejoice in the death of sinners. He wants all people to repent and turn to Him

and live. God bless us, everyone. Amen. In Erie PA USA May 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington PS

Whatever the Nephilim were, I don't think they were on Noah's Ark. There is no hybrid creature between

men and angels. That would be forbidden by a holy, righteous God.

God made angels flames of fire, and bodiless spirits (souls/minds), and not capable of carnal relations.

That is the same for fallen angels, the demons. They, though evil, are just minds. Spirits. Souls. With

out any bodies. It takes a body to have sexual relations.

Angels and demons don't have bodies.

trust_in_the_name · May 26, 2011

You did two postscripts so the second one should be PPS.

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

trust_in_the_name said:

Dear trust in the name, I still do not know what you think the "nephilim" are? What are they?
In Erie PA USA May 2011 AD Scott Harrington

silverwind · May 27, 2011

Scotth1960 said:

Dear trust in the name, What do you think the Nephilim are? Do you believe, along with the heretical

Book of Enoch, that angels (fallen angels/ demons) had sex with the daughters of men, and produced

giants (were these the nephilim). The Book of Enoch is heretical. It has been rejected by the True Church.

Any view of angels being able to have sex is heretical. Angels are bodiless powers, incapable of sexual

intercourse. Fallen angels are also bodiless, and so they can't have carnal relations with people, either.

Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS Maybe you could do a Google search on Nephilim if you

want to find an objective answer. I am not interested in this question. Obscure references from the

OT (Old Testament) and from Daniel and Revelation don't interest me! But maybe you could find a

good answer from the ISBE International Standard Bible Encyclopedia. I don't know for sure if that

is a good, unbiased reference work, but most encyclopedias generally give at least some good answers.

God has gifted everyone with different interests of the Bible. All of the Bible is completely the Word

of God. But not everyone is interested in every Bible verse. OT references which refer to OT

sanctions against sins don't interest me much. We are not under the OT Law and its punishments any

more. Christ said God and sin no more, and Let he that is without sin throw the first rock. So the NT

is against killing adulterers and adulteresses. It is against sin, but it is also against the OT punishments

for sin, which, for most any sin, was always death. Well, God will allow all people to die, since all have

sinned. But God does not rejoice in the death of sinners. He wants all people to repent and turn to Him

and live. God bless us, everyone. Amen. In Erie PA USA May 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington PS

Whatever the Nephilim were, I don't think they were on Noah's Ark. There is no hybrid creature between

men and angels. That would be forbidden by a holy, righteous God.

God made angels flames of fire, and bodiless spirits (souls/minds), and not capable of carnal relations.

That is the same for fallen angels, the demons. They, though evil, are just minds. Spirits. Souls. With

out any bodies. It takes a body to have sexual relations.

Angels and demons don't have bodies.

WRONG!!!
Read Daniel 8:15 and 9:21
There are many other verses where angels had BODIES or the appearance of a man.

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

trust_in_the_name said:

Here is what Wikipedia, a basically objective, unbiased resource (source) says regarding

"Nephilim":

Nephilim http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington May 2011 AD

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

silverwind said:

WRONG!!!
Read Daniel 8:15 and 9:21
There are many other verses where angels had BODIES or the appearance of a man.

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Dear silverwind,
What does it mean in Christ's saying that the dead in Christ are "like as the angels of heaven"? What verse of the Bible explicitly says "angels have bodies."? You should not be so bold to say "angels have bodies" unless those exact words are spelled out specifically in Scripture. What Scripture does say is the angels are "flames of fire" or some such metaphor. How can a body be a flame? Also, the idea that there can be creatures which are not human which have bodies means there would be a second human race. But according to Scripture, there is only one human race. (I don't care what Darwin or the theory of evolution say in this matter!). .... Therefore, .... If angels have bodies, that would be a second race of humans. Also, Scripture also says "The LORD is a man of war." Are we saying that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are men? Is the Father a man? No. Only the Son of God, the Son of Man, is a man. So the word "man" referring to Gabriel in Daniel is a metaphor. Can't you understand symbolic language? Do you always have to take every word of Scripture literally? If you do, you would have to admit, when Christ says, "I am the door", that Christ is, then, a wooden
plank with a doorknob in the middle!" But that is not what Christ meant! It all depends on what Scripture means, not upon what Scripture says. God bless you. In Erie Scott Harrington

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

[quote=silverwind;452203]WRONG!!!
Read Daniel 8:15 and 9:21
There are many other verses where angels had BODIES or the appearance of a man.[/quote]
Dear silverwind, For more on a sound teaching on the holy angels, see:

"Archangel Michael and Other Bodiless Powers"
http:// www.christthesaviour.org/St_Michael-etal.htm

God bless you. In Erie PA USA May 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

MaggieMye · May 27, 2011

What does it mean in Christ's saying that the dead in Christ are "like as the angels of heaven"? What verse of the Bible explicitly says "angels have bodies."? You should not be so bold to say "angels have bodies" unless those exact words are spelled out specifically in Scripture. What Scripture does say is the angels are "flames of fire" or some such metaphor. How can a body be a flame? Also, the idea that there can be creatures which are not human which have bodies means there would be a second human race. But according to Scripture, there is only one human race. (I don't care what Darwin or the theory of evolution say in this matter!). ....Keep in mind that the Scripture says that IN HEAVEN we will be as the angels. IN HEAVEN, not as they are when they come to earth and take on the appearance of man. BIG DIFFERENCE. Therefore, .... If angels have bodies, that would be a second race of humans. Also, Scripture also says "The LORD is a man of war." Are we saying that God the Father and God the Holy Spirit are men? Is the Father a man? No. Only the Son of God, the Son of Man, is a man. So the word "man" referring to Gabriel in Daniel is a metaphor. Not so. In Daniel, the ANGEL came to Daniel, in the FORM of man: Dan 9:21

AnandaHya · May 27, 2011

just because you say something has FLESH does not mean there is another HUMAN race. FLESH is like the word MATTER in scientific terms.
such misunderstanding and blindness about spiritual and Heavenly things, God is not the author of confusion.

I'll make it simple: seed = soul, body = matter

1 Corinthians 15:38-43 (New King James Version)

38 But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh[a] of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

silverwind said:

WRONG!!!
Read Daniel 8:15 and 9:21
There are many other verses where angels had BODIES or the appearance of a man.

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Dear silverwind, See What does the Bible teach about angels?
Christian Answers Network [Home] ? Multilingual answers, reviews, ministry resources, and more! ? ChristianAnswers.Net God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

PS If Gabriel is a man in the same sense as human beings, or in a sense as another human race, that would be two human races, and that would imply Darwin's theory of evolution, which teaches multiple human races, various kinds of men or near men, near homo sapiens.
It all depends on what the word "man" means in these verses. In some sense, angels
appear as "men", but that does not mean they are human, nor does it need to be so that they have bodies. God can create angels any way He wants them to be, but He obviously only meant to create human beings in His image and likeness. God's Son has a human body, so apparently the image and likeness of God in man has a physical aspect. Angels, however, not being in God's image, do not have bodies. They are not physical beings. Take care.

willfollowsGod · May 27, 2011

First of all the book of Enoch is not heretical, part of it is fact and parts of it is fiction. As for the Nephilim on the Ark, they never went on it. If they had it would undermine the reason for the Flood. Good discussion though.

Tatz · May 27, 2011

Avinu said:

Hey, just a thought on Gen 6:4, Sons of God, they cant be angels as they are sexual beings. The sons of God mentioned here do not refer to the Sons of God mentioned in Job which referred to angels. Bless you.

Tatz · May 27, 2011

willfollowsGod said:

True, they are the very reason God sent the flood because humans had become wicked...this wickedness being caused by the sons of God...they were not in the ark. Maybe this explains why there are no giants among us, they ceased to live after the flood(just on a lighter note)

Gentile · May 27, 2011

happygal said:

Its always about which Seed you and I are see? Abrahams or Devil.
Genesis 3:1 The serpent was the most intelligent of all the beasts and could talk

So what happen to the Serpent's Seed (Cain's seed) before the flood?

Jesus said to these people “Ye are of your father the devil”

Are you then saying these angels that materialised are the children of the Devil?

God bless to all.

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Dear AnandaHya, I'll make it simple. It never seems to amaze me how people who profess the false Protestant principle of "sola Scriptura" can so distort and so falsify the plain meaning of Scripture. These words are referring to the resurrection of human beings in Christ, not about angels. If we are to understand these as referring to angels, that would have been made clear by the context, and would have used the word angels in this passage of St. Paul. St. Peter warns there are things in Paul's writings which are hard to understand 2 Peter 3:15-16. Man is made for a while a little lower than the angels.
But in Christ, redeemed human beings (Christians) will be higher than the angels of God.
Indeed, God is not the author of confusion; He is not the author of private interpretation of the Scriptures which exists in both Roman Catholicism and Evangelical Protestantism, but not in holy Eastern (Christian) Orthodoxy. God save us in Christ Jesus. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

Gentile said:

Its always about which Seed you and I are see? Abrahams or Devil.
Genesis 3:1 The serpent was the most intelligent of all the beasts and could talk

So what happen to the Serpent's Seed (Cain's seed) before the flood?

Jesus said to these people “Ye are of your father the devil”

Are you then saying these angels that materialised are the children of the Devil?
Dear Gentile, Angels can't materialize. While they can appear as men, that does not prove they have bodies. They are not material (physical); they do not have bodies. This is the same for both holy angels and fallen angels (satan and his demons). The angels of God are bodiless powers of God (from God). They do not automatically become material when they become fallen. Angels are angels, no matter what state they are in: good or evil. They are, therefore, bodiless powers. God save us all in Christ Jesus through the intercessions of the Ever-Virgin Mother of God, all of His Saints, and all of His holy angels. Amen. In Erie Scott May 2011 AD

God bless to all.

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

Tatz said:

Dear Tatz, Enoch is indeed partially heretical. It has been banned by the Church for centuries. The Church can't err in this matter. Take care. In Erie Scott

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

willfollowsGod said:

First of all the book of Enoch is not heretical, part of it is fact and parts of it is fiction. As for the Nephilim on the Ark, they never went on it. If they had it would undermine the reason for the Flood. Good discussion though.

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The Book Enoch not heretical? Think again!

www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/Book_of_Enoch

God bless you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

Dear willfollowsGod, What, according to you, was the reason for the flood of Noah? In Erie PA Scott

Scotth1960 · May 27, 2011

MaggieMye said:

For more on the Book of Enoch (heretical)

www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/Book_of_Enoch.htm

God bless us everyone who is in Christ Jesus. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

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