Nephilim On The Ark

[Gentile]

Its always about which Seed you and I are see? Abrahams or Devil.
Genesis 3:1 The serpent was the most intelligent of all the beasts and could talk

So what happen to the Serpent's Seed (Cain's seed) before the flood?

Jesus said to these people “Ye are of your father the devil”

Are you then saying these angels that materialised are the children of the Devil?
Dear Gentile, Angels can't materialize. While they can appear as men, that does not prove they have bodies. They are not material (physical); they do not have bodies. This is the same for both holy angels and fallen angels (satan and his demons). The angels of God are bodiless powers of God (from God). They do not automatically become material when they become fallen. Angels are angels, no matter what state they are in: good or evil. They are, therefore, bodiless powers. God save us all in Christ Jesus through the intercessions of the Ever-Virgin Mother of God, all of His Saints, and all of His holy angels. Amen. In Erie Scott May 2011 AD



God bless to all.

Thats what the poster HappyGal said not I (just repeated) to put understanding to my question see?

God Bless.

 

[silverwind]

[quote=silverwind;452203]WRONG!!!
Read Daniel 8:15 and 9:21
There are many other verses where angels had BODIES or the appearance of a man.

Dear silverwind, For more on a sound teaching on the holy angels, see:

"Archangel Michael and Other Bodiless Powers"
http:// www.christthesaviour.org/St_Michael-etal.htm

God bless you. In Erie PA USA May 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington


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Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.


If there are GOOD angels (messengers that have NOT left their abode in heaven) they are obviously quite capable of using their FEET to walk, their mouths to EAT, and needed rest for the night. Those who believe angels cannot manifest themselves in bodily form are......well.... deceived.
Now what makes anyone think that FALLEN ANGELS cannot do likewise and misuse their bodily form and take human women for themselves? hm?
Oh ye of little faith...
Nephilim are the PRODUCT of fallen angel with human women. And don't think for a minute that those women were willing to 'become one flesh' with these angels. They forced themselves on these women.... "and they TOOK FOR THEMSELVES" wives.. it doesn't say they 'fell in love'.... lol

Why is it so hard for people to believe that there are bad angels and good angels who obey the commands of the Lord? (of course only the good ones do)

weird..

 

[Scotth1960]

[quote=silverwind;452399]Dear silverwind, For more on a sound teaching on the holy angels, see:

"Archangel Michael and Other Bodiless Powers"
http:// www.christthesaviour.org/St_Michael-etal.htm

God bless you. In Erie PA USA May 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington


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Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.


If there are GOOD angels (messengers that have NOT left their abode in heaven) they are obviously quite capable of using their FEET to walk, their mouths to EAT, and needed rest for the night. Those who believe angels cannot manifest themselves in bodily form are......well.... deceived.
Now what makes anyone think that FALLEN ANGELS cannot do likewise and misuse their bodily form and take human women for themselves? hm?
Oh ye of little faith...
Nephilim are the PRODUCT of fallen angel with human women. And don't think for a minute that those women were willing to 'become one flesh' with these angels. They forced themselves on these women.... "and they TOOK FOR THEMSELVES" wives.. it doesn't say they 'fell in love'.... lol

Why is it so hard for people to believe that there are bad angels and good angels who obey the commands of the Lord? (of course only the good ones do)

weird..[/quote]

Dear friends, This passages about the three visitors to Abraham fails to take account of the fact that these three are God the Holy Trinity, not angels. And one of the Holy Trinity, God the Son, can eat. In Erie PA Scott PS The Bible no where indicates that angels can eat.

Dear friends,
Why would God in his mercy allow angels to have physical relations with women?
Does that make any sense. Would not God prevent that from happening?
Innocent children would suffer if this were the case. And God blesses and protects the
innocence of children.
Which Scripture says angels have bodily form? Which Scripture says any kind of angel, whether good, or bad, has the capacity for erotic relations? Would a Sovereign, all Powerful and Omnipotent God, allow such an abomination to ever happen?
God bless us all and save us in Christ Jesus. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[silverwind]

[quote=silverwind;452399]Dear silverwind, For more on a sound teaching on the holy angels, see:

"Archangel Michael and Other Bodiless Powers"
http:// www.christthesaviour.org/St_Michael-etal.htm

God bless you. In Erie PA USA May 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.


If there are GOOD angels (messengers that have NOT left their abode in heaven) they are obviously quite capable of using their FEET to walk, their mouths to EAT, and needed rest for the night. Those who believe angels cannot manifest themselves in bodily form are......well.... deceived.
Now what makes anyone think that FALLEN ANGELS cannot do likewise and misuse their bodily form and take human women for themselves? hm?
Oh ye of little faith...
Nephilim are the PRODUCT of fallen angel with human women. And don't think for a minute that those women were willing to 'become one flesh' with these angels. They forced themselves on these women.... "and they TOOK FOR THEMSELVES" wives.. it doesn't say they 'fell in love'.... lol

Why is it so hard for people to believe that there are bad angels and good angels who obey the commands of the Lord? (of course only the good ones do)

weird..[/quote]

Dear friends, This passages about the three visitors to Abraham fails to take account of the fact that these three are God the Holy Trinity, not angels. And one of the Holy Trinity, God the Son, can eat. In Erie PA Scott PS The Bible no where indicates that angels can eat.

Dear friends,
Why would God in his mercy allow angels to have physical relations with women?
Does that make any sense. Would not God prevent that from happening?
Innocent children would suffer if this were the case. And God blesses and protects the
innocence of children.
Which Scripture says angels have bodily form? Which Scripture says any kind of angel, whether good, or bad, has the capacity for erotic relations? Would a Sovereign, all Powerful and Omnipotent God, allow such an abomination to ever happen?
God bless us all and save us in Christ Jesus. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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sorry, it clearly says they were angels.

 

[Scotth1960]

Now the two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. 2 And he said, “Here now, my lords, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night, and wash your feet; then you may rise early and go on your way.”
And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.”
3 But he insisted strongly; so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a feast, and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.


If there are GOOD angels (messengers that have NOT left their abode in heaven) they are obviously quite capable of using their FEET to walk, their mouths to EAT, and needed rest for the night. Those who believe angels cannot manifest themselves in bodily form are......well.... deceived.
Now what makes anyone think that FALLEN ANGELS cannot do likewise and misuse their bodily form and take human women for themselves? hm?
Oh ye of little faith...
Nephilim are the PRODUCT of fallen angel with human women. And don't think for a minute that those women were willing to 'become one flesh' with these angels. They forced themselves on these women.... "and they TOOK FOR THEMSELVES" wives.. it doesn't say they 'fell in love'.... lol

Why is it so hard for people to believe that there are bad angels and good angels who obey the commands of the Lord? (of course only the good ones do)

weird..

Dear friends, This passages about the three visitors to Abraham fails to take account of the fact that these three are God the Holy Trinity, not angels. And one of the Holy Trinity, God the Son, can eat. In Erie PA Scott PS The Bible no where indicates that angels can eat.

Dear friends,
Why would God in his mercy allow angels to have physical relations with women?
Does that make any sense. Would not God prevent that from happening?
Innocent children would suffer if this were the case. And God blesses and protects the
innocence of children.
Which Scripture says angels have bodily form? Which Scripture says any kind of angel, whether good, or bad, has the capacity for erotic relations? Would a Sovereign, all Powerful and Omnipotent God, allow such an abomination to ever happen?
God bless us all and save us in Christ Jesus. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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sorry, it clearly says they were angels.[/quote]
Not merely that. It says God appeared to him at the oak of Mamre. Genesis 18:1 OSB. "Then God appeared to him (Abraham( at the oak of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door during the noon hour. So he lifted his eyes and look, behold, three men stood before him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, "O Lord, if I have now found grace in Your sight, do not pass by Your servant". Genesis 18:1-3 OSB page 23. See note on 18:1-3 OSB: "The Holy Spirit says through the prophet Moses that God appeared to Abraham. This is another personal appearance of the Son of God to him. He saw three men standing before him, but he worshipped only one of them as Lord, for He is Lord and God. The other two are called "angels" (Genesis 19:1). The Son of God is the Lord of all the angels. ..." (page 23, OSB).

The Lord (Gen. 18:3) and the 2 angels (Genesis 19:1) (the three men of Genesis 18:2) are a theophany of Jesus Christ and the 2 angels representing the Father and the Spirit, and thus a theophany (Vision) of the Holy Trinity. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[happygal]

It's preposterous to claim that God's plan can be derailed. Read Romans 9 then get back to us.

You write, "It's preposterous to claim that God's plan can be derailed".
I did not state that God's plan was "derailed", but since you used that word, I will use it also.
God provided 2 different ways for Adam and Eve to go (easy way-Plan A) or (hard way-Plan B).
Adam and Eve were on the easy road (life), but they "derailed" themselves when they sinned. So, they had to go the hard way (resulting in death), and so do we.
When MaggieMye stated that, "Adam's disobedience WAS GOD'S PLAN", I meant that God did not force Adam and Eve to disobey, and then punish them for doing so. That would not be loving. He simply tested their loyalty to him with the forbidden tree, which they ate of, so God lovingly provided Plan B for us in case they did not choose the easy way with Plan A. I am sure that God would have preferred them to make the right choice to love and obey him (plan A), but they made the wrong choice (Plan B), which will have the same end result as Plan A for some of us, however it is the long and hard and miserable way. Choosing Plan A would have been the short and easy and pleasant way.
I think we can all relate if we compare this to the paths that our children choose in life (easy way or hard way). I would never force my child to disobey by take the worst path in life and learn the hard and miserable way, and then punish him or her for doing so. That would not be love. Instead, I would be relieved if he or she chose the better path in life and learned the easy and pleasant way. He or she doesn't need to disobey and experience evil in order to choose to love and obey me and have a good
life.

 

[happygal]

It applies after, during, and before. God is not subject to time or limited in any way.

3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases. (Psalm 115:3)

8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." (Revelation 1:8)

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last." (Revelation 22:13)

4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, (Ephesians 1:4)

OK...I know that there are many places in the bible where it states that God knows things even before they happen. His power is beyond our understanding. And...I guess he continues even with the bad things, because they will all eventually end in a very good thing!

 

[trust_in_the_name]

This sounds like a sadistic God created robotic children to follow his one and only chosen plan of misery, rather than a loving God who devised plan B in order to restore his original plan.

It's preposterous to claim that God's plan can be derailed. Read Romans 9 then get back to us.

You write, "It's preposterous to claim that God's plan can be derailed".
I did not state that God's plan was "derailed",

Yes you did. His original planned couldn't be restored unless it had been altered or gone off track.

but since you used that word, I will use it also.
God provided 2 different ways for Adam and Eve to go (easy way-Plan A) or (hard way-Plan B).
Adam and Eve were on the easy road (life), but they "derailed" themselves when they sinned. So, they had to go the hard way (resulting in death), and so do we.
When MaggieMye stated that, "Adam's disobedience WAS GOD'S PLAN", I meant that God did not force Adam and Eve to disobey, and then punish them for doing so. That would not be loving. He simply tested their loyalty to him with the forbidden tree, which they ate of, so God lovingly provided Plan B for us in case they did not choose the easy way with Plan A. I am sure that God would have preferred them to make the right choice to love and obey him (plan A), but they made the wrong choice (Plan B), which will have the same end result as Plan A for some of us, however it is the long and hard and miserable way. Choosing Plan A would have been the short and easy and pleasant way.
I think we can all relate if we compare this to the paths that our children choose in life (easy way or hard way). I would never force my child to disobey by take the worst path in life and learn the hard and miserable way, and then punish him or her for doing so. That would not be love. Instead, I would be relieved if he or she chose the better path in life and learned the easy and pleasant way. He or she doesn't need to disobey and experience evil in order to choose to love and obey me and have a good
life.

By the way, calling God sadistic is blasphemous.

 

[silverwind]

Dear friends, This passages about the three visitors to Abraham fails to take account of the fact that these three are God the Holy Trinity, not angels. And one of the Holy Trinity, God the Son, can eat. In Erie PA Scott PS The Bible no where indicates that angels can eat.

Dear friends,
Why would God in his mercy allow angels to have physical relations with women?
Does that make any sense. Would not God prevent that from happening?
Innocent children would suffer if this were the case. And God blesses and protects the
innocence of children.
Which Scripture says angels have bodily form? Which Scripture says any kind of angel, whether good, or bad, has the capacity for erotic relations? Would a Sovereign, all Powerful and Omnipotent God, allow such an abomination to ever happen?
God bless us all and save us in Christ Jesus. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

sorry, it clearly says they were angels.[/quote]
Not merely that. It says God appeared to him at the oak of Mamre. Genesis 18:1 OSB. "Then God appeared to him (Abraham( at the oak of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door during the noon hour. So he lifted his eyes and look, behold, three men stood before him; and when he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them, and bowed himself to the ground, and said, "O Lord, if I have now found grace in Your sight, do not pass by Your servant". Genesis 18:1-3 OSB page 23. See note on 18:1-3 OSB: "The Holy Spirit says through the prophet Moses that God appeared to Abraham. This is another personal appearance of the Son of God to him. He saw three men standing before him, but he worshipped only one of them as Lord, for He is Lord and God. The other two are called "angels" (Genesis 19:1). The Son of God is the Lord of all the angels. ..." (page 23, OSB).

The Lord (Gen. 18:3) and the 2 angels (Genesis 19:1) (the three men of Genesis 18:2) are a theophany of Jesus Christ and the 2 angels representing the Father and the Spirit, and thus a theophany (Vision) of the Holy Trinity. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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I know there were 3 men, one was God, the other 2 angels; the point of what I was trying to tell you is that those 2 angles walked, ate, drank, slept... like people do. So they were spirit beings in a body. Therefore we conclude that angels CAN take on a human body.
For the record, I have encountered 3 angels in 3 bodies (humans) who were there for me in time of severe anguish and trouble (I thought I had lost 2 of my family members to their death) but God was merciful and used these 3 to help me through this time. It only struck me later on that they were put there by God. So.... I believe they exist, they are there as instructed for whatever reason and they have a body. Anyways... that was my point.

 

[AnandaHya]

what do we know about angels?

Genesis 19:15
When the morning dawned, the angels urged Lot to hurry, saying, “Arise, take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be consumed in the punishment of the city.” here we see angels of destruction at sodom and gommarroh

Genesis 28:12
Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. here we see angels in dreams

Genesis 32:1
[ Esau Comes to Meet Jacob ] So Jacob went on his way, and the angels of God met him. here we see an encounter on the road with angels

Job 4:18
If He puts no trust in His servants,If He charges His angels with error, here we see that angels can sin

Psalm 8:5
For You have made him a little lower than the angels, And You have crowned him with glory and honor. here we see a prophesy about Jesus

Psalm 78:25
Men ate angels’ food;He sent them food to the full. why would angels need to eat manna if they had no bodies?

Psalm 78:49
He cast on them the fierceness of His anger,Wrath, indignation, and trouble, By sending angels of destruction among them.

Matthew 4:11
Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him. here we see that angels can PHYSICALLY minister and give Jesus food

Matthew 13:39
The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

Mark 8:38
For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.” future promise of Jesus ruling in heaven over the angels

Mark 12:25
For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. so what are angels like in Heaven? are they different from the ones casted down to earth with Satan?

Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” see the angels can feel emotions such as JOY

Luke 16:22
So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.

Luke 20:36
nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Luke 24:23
When they did not find His body, they came saying that they had also seen a vision of angels who said He was alive.

John 1:51
And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”

John 20:12
And she saw two angels in white sitting, one at the head and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Acts 7:53
who have received the law by the direction of angels and have not kept it.”

Romans 8:38
For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come,

1 Corinthians 4:9
For I think that God has displayed us, the apostles, last, as men condemned to death; for we have been made a spectacle to the world, both to angels and to men.

1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

1 Corinthians 11:10
For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

1 Corinthians 13:1
[ The Greatest Gift ] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

Galatians 3:19
[ Purpose of the Law ] What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

Colossians 2:18
Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

[Scotth1960]

13 And there we saw the Nephilim (sons of Anak are from the Nephilim), and we were in our eyes as grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes. (Numbers 13:33)

Since there are Nephilim on the earth after the flood, someone in Noah's family must have been a Nephillim.

Who are the Nephilim? See the following article, please:

Who are the sons of God and the Nephilim?

God bless all of you. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[happygal]

You write, "The angels CHOSE TO LEAVE heaven and follow Lucifer. They did not disobey by leaving, they made a choice to leave. It was because of their chosen rebellion that they HAD to leave."
If you told your child to stay home, yet he or she CHOSE TO LEAVE, didn't he or she disobey by leaving? Angels are not children. God created angels to do His bidding. They have free will to do it or not do and they chose to not do it so they had to leave. Why is that so hard to understand?
How would it be because of his or her chosen rebellion that he or she HAD to leave? Rebellion is sin. It is an UNrighteous attitude. It is PRIDE. These things cannot be in heaven.

Yes, God can create evil or calamity, such as the flood or the 10 plagues for a good reason (justice against wrongdoers), but our loving God did not create Satan and the demons as Satan and the demons. YES HE DID!! Read the Bible!! ONLY SATAN is an angel, once having been called 'Lucifer'. There are NO SCRIIPTURES TO SUPPORT the concept of any other ANGELS being refered to as 'demons'. NONE. Demons are unclean spirits, not unclean angels. He created them as angels who used their freedom of choice to disobey him. Why would our loving God create demons? Demons are for the purpose of tempting us, of doing Satan's bidding, and, like it or not, of entering into our bodies and minds when the door to our soul is opened by sin.

You write, "the BIBLE says that they were on the earth during 'those days' (Noah's days) AND AFTER."
You also write, "Inserting the UNBiblical concept of "after God's statement" is just that...inserting and adding to God's worth that which is not there."
Isn't that what you just did? Not at all. "after God's statement' is heretical. But the Word simply reads "and after" leaving it open to ANY TIME after.

What do you think happened to the disobedient angels when the flood came? Drown? for the ones that left with Lucifer, they are STILL LOCKED in chains; for the ones that came before Noah TO THE EARTH, yes, they drowned. God brought the flood to cleanse the earth.

Though I must be having a difficult time finding scripture to explain spirits, angels, demons (I may continue looking), my understanding is that God created humans and spirits. Humans can choose to be good or bad. Spirits can choose to be good or bad. One major difference is that humans can change back and forth from being good or bad,not really. See Heb 6:4-6 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age tocome, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. God's word tell us that it is IMPOSSIBLE for one to believe and then, in UNbelief, turn away from God and THEN turn back to Him.
and spirits can change from being good to bad, but spirits cannot change from being bad to good. Right God gives spirits only one time to choose, because they were created perfect, but humans after Adam and Eve are not perfect. The whole point of the Gospel is so that we can GET BACK to the perfect, original state that God created us in. He creates evil. But he does NOT create IMperfection. When He finished on the 6th day, He said ALL was good. Even the evil He created was/is perfect...perfectly evil and perfected evil.
Maggie

I am going to have to agree to disagree on many things.
Whether the angels sinned in heaven 1st then had to leave, or
whether they sinned
BECAUSE they disobediently left heaven.....is giving me a headache.
Discussing whether or not fallen angels and demons are the same
thing.....is also giving me a headache.
Also discussing "In those days, and after" is giving me a headache.
In summary.....I have a headache!
I am new on here, and I have decided that this is not what God wants
any of us to do (debate about such details), when we should be trying
to save those who want to be saved.

I am planning to ask and answer several more questions, and then
move on to more uplifting and productive activities.

But, tell me...how do invisible spirits drown in a physical flood?
Are you saying that they were stuck in human bodies?

You are correct about the fact that some people cannot change to
being good after they reject God....I forgot about the unpardonable
sin.
Sorry.

 

[MaggieMye]

But, tell me...how do invisible spirits drown in a physical flood? When they are on the earth they are not invisible. Even the good angels were not invisible. Read Act, I think...When Peter got out of the jail and went to his home. Angels IN THE FORM OF MEN ate, drank and had sex. So why not drown? Scripture is not clear about this, as it is not important!
Are you saying that they were stuck in human bodies? All we can know is that when they come, they come in the form of man, to do God's will or their own. IF they do their own, they cannot return to heaven. If they do God's will, they return to as soon as their message is delivered.

Maggie

 

[happygal]

I did not.

 

[happygal]

So...I would think that if an angel can materialize and take on the form of a man, the angel could then also dematerialize if it wanted to...
for example, if the earth was being flooded. Nevertheless...it's not the most important thing that we should be trying to figure out.
My time is too short for this. Onward.

 

[happygal]

Yes you did. His original planned couldn't be restored unless it had been altered or gone off track.



By the way, calling God sadistic is blasphemous.

I did not.

 

[MaggieMye]

So...I would think that if an angel can materialize and take on the form of a man, the angel could then also dematerialize if it wanted to... IF it WANTED To...they can do nothing without God's permission. They have free will in choosing whom they serve but they cannot materialize or 'de' (which is not found in the Bible Anywhere) at will.
for example, if the earth was being flooded AGain, scripture does not say.

Maggie

 

[silverwind]

I am going to have to agree to disagree on many things.
Whether the angels sinned in heaven 1st then had to leave, or
whether they sinned
BECAUSE they disobediently left heaven.....is giving me a headache.
Discussing whether or not fallen angels and demons are the same
thing.....is also giving me a headache.
Also discussing "In those days, and after" is giving me a headache.
In summary.....I have a headache!
I am new on here, and I have decided that this is not what God wants
any of us to do (debate about such details), when we should be trying
to save those who want to be saved.

I am planning to ask and answer several more questions, and then
move on to more uplifting and productive activities.

But, tell me...how do invisible spirits drown in a physical flood?
Are you saying that they were stuck in human bodies?

You are correct about the fact that some people cannot change to
being good after they reject God....I forgot about the unpardonable
sin.
Sorry.

Would you like me to send you some tylenol? or perhaps something stronger, lol

 

[MaggieMye]

Post 138. That is not anything I wrote. That that was quoted is NOT mine. So computer gliche or whatever, I did not say the things 'quoted' in post 138. That was Happygirl, I believe.

Maggie

 

[silverwind]

Post 138. That is not anything I wrote. That that was quoted is NOT mine. So computer gliche or whatever, I did not say the things 'quoted' in post 138. That was Happygirl, I believe.

Maggie

lol, that is too funny, I guess happygal wants to blame her headaches on you. *shrug*

btw, Maggie, I have encountered angels (3 of them) in human form. As I said above in a previous post, I believe God sent them to do a certain service during a very traumatic time. This involved an incident where about 100 people fell through a floor at a concert. 43 were hospitalized, No one died. 2 of them were from my family. Had they not been there, I would've passed out.