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If there is a strange fire, then surely there is no genuine? Or is it even so the question of distinguishing? Did God not know where are calling us? Where is the sense of skill? Does God gives us something that can not berecognize ? Or you never walked in the Spirit? Did I mention that I do not see that you live in the kingdom. Here theory and theology does not work, it is entirely practical question!
yes, this will be your perception as long as you believe that God will lay another foundation.
it's to be expected, and i'm okay with it.

we all have to search the scriptures to see if these things are so.
again, best wishes,
zone.
 
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I not send to John to witness about Christ. I have evidence independent of Scripture. If we knew Christ in the flesh, but now we do not know.
 

zone

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I not send to John to witness about Christ. I have evidence independent of Scripture. If we knew Christ in the flesh, but now we do not know.
we have a language barrier, i don't know what you're trying to say.
you're entitlted to your beliefs necto: i just offered information.
proceed with caution is my suggestion.
 
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I'm not surprised at your lack of understanding. About spiritual things can only be judged by the Spirit. Is the believer must not have evidence of more than from God? Do we always need to еxplore the Scripture verifying our steps?
 

zone

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I'm not surprised at your lack of understanding. About spiritual things can only be judged by the Spirit. Is the believer must not have evidence of more than from God? Do we always need to еxplore the Scripture verifying our steps?
ok necto.
best wishes.
 
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I'm not surprised at your lack of understanding. About spiritual things can only be judged by the Spirit. Is the believer must not have evidence of more than from God? Do we always need to еxplore the Scripture verifying our steps?
The just shall live by faith (Hab 2:4, Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11, Heb 10:38). You are a just man because you were justified by the blood of Christ when you were saved (Rom 5:9). The faith that a just man lives by comes from hearing the word (Rom 10:17). It is called the hearing of faith (Gal 3:2,5). You are a man that is after God's heart and you have been given the Spirit to be your tutor and to guide and lead you in the truth. The way we are led by the Spirit in the truth is through the words of truth that we have been given in the scriptures (Jn 17:17, Jm 1:18, 2Tim 2:15, 1Thes 2:13, Col 1:5, Eph 1:13). All scripture is given by God through inspiration (2Tim 3:16). We study God's precious word and hide it in our heart so that we can have God's thoughts revealed and brought to our remembrance when they are needed in the details of life (2Tim 2:15, Ps 119:11, Jn 14:26). The words of God in the scriptures are those thoughts that come from God that reveal Christ and the Holy Spirit reveals them to us as such (Jn 15:23).

David in (PSALM 119) esteemed the word and magnified it as the number one priority in his life. he would do nothing without being quickened by God's word and was constantly meditating on the word of God day and night (Ps 1:2). The word was what he desired in his heart more than anything because it revealed who God was, how God thought and what He promised. The word was a lamp to David's feet and a light to his path (Ps 119:105, 19:7-11). The word of God cleansed him as a young man (Ps 119:5) and gave him confidence in God that defeated Goliath and gave him many victories over his enemies.

Jesus Christ personally has commanded us to live by every word from the mouth of God (Mt 4:4) and to let that word dwell richly in our heart (Col 3:16). If we do this we shall know the greatness and goodness of God and mercy and goodness shall follow us all the days of our life (Acts 13:34, Ps 23:6). Take these things to heart and give the word in its proper place and when you do the Holy Spirit will honor that word and bear much fruit in your life. If we abide in Christ and His words abide in us we get what we ask for and we will bear much fruit (Jn 15:7,8). Don't let anyone tell you that the Word and the Spirit are somehow divided from one another for they are not. To be filled with the Spirit is to be filled with the incorruptible seed of the the Word (Eph 5:17,18, 1Pt 1:23).
 
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Did Paul copied from somewhere in the words of their messages? Paul sent his experiences of the Spirit within. Paul in his letters, translated into a letter his experience, his inspiration of the Spirit which is called interpretation! And David also having an experience of life with God, in moments of inspiration he wrote the Psalms. Is having today the Spirit can not be put in a word or message in the same situation that was in Galatians for example, but in our own words. Thus, the principle of truth is always respected, but how will act the Spirit no one knows! Otherwise, we will come to dominate the letter and as a result of this absolute deadnes.
 
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can someone sum up this thread 4 me ;D
 
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The one thing learned over the years, is that anything that calls attention to self, rather than Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
It should be questioned big time!
Everything witnessed to, lived, shared, should be like a strong arrow, pointing to Jesus !

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

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The one thing learned over the years, is that anything that calls attention to self, rather than Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
It should be questioned big time!
Everything witnessed to, lived, shared, should be like a strong arrow, pointing to Jesus !

Amen.....you got it spot on ! Try the spirits...if it aint good....real sudden like, hang left.

Have you studied the man in question?
 
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Have you studied the man in question?

Have you studied the man in question? He has over 30 books in print, most of which are
on spiritual warfare. Did you read any of his books? Tell us about him if you can.
 
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Why would I WANT to study rick joyner? I have a Bible....and if anything said contradicts this....I know all i need to know. I stand by what pickles said...If it calls attention to SELF...and not GOD,,,,, well real sudden like............................
 
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Why would I WANT to study rick joyner? I have a Bible....and if anything said contradicts this....I know all i need to know. I stand by what pickles said...If it calls attention to SELF...and not GOD,,,,, well real sudden like............................
So the question would be #1 Can you quote anything he has said that opposes scripture, and #2 Does he call attention to himself or glorify Christ. If the answer to these question are no, or even if you do not know the answer whether it is yes or no, then you have no reason to jump on the persecute Rick Joyner band wagon.

My answer to these questions are i do not know. And I certainly will not take the word of a bunch of censationalist that will attack you, me or anyone else that believes in the gifts of the holy Spirit.
 
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ok now I've got to do some research...lets hear from Rick Joyner and compare .....


oh this is the guy from Morning star ministries with the seven mountains like the seven heads of the beast thingie....

Knights of Malta by Rick Joyner : MorningStar Ministries

oh he's a Knight of Malta, guess I'm going to have to read up on them eehh....

mmm this looks to be interesting a whole wall of videos... get back to you guys after a while....

Prophetic Perspective on Current Events by Rick Joyner | MorningStar TV
 

zone

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So the question would be #1 Can you quote anything he has said that opposes scripture, and #2 Does he call attention to himself or glorify Christ. If the answer to these question are no, or even if you do not know the answer whether it is yes or no, then you have no reason to jump on the persecute Rick Joyner band wagon.

My answer to these questions are i do not know. And I certainly will not take the word of a bunch of censationalist that will attack you, me or anyone else that believes in the gifts of the holy Spirit.
yes (coming soon)

not believable (you're a liar)

Fathers Of Thunder - Don Potter, Lou Engle, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones & Mo



About This Work ... Fathers of Thunder is a landmark recording containing new songs, prophecies and fatherly wisdom from Lou Engle, James Ryle, Ricky Skaggs, Bob Jones, Rick Joyner, Ray Hughes, Don Potter and Dr. Michael Brown and many more�It is truly a sign of the times!

We are entering into the days of great generational blessings and healing. This CD is dedicated to the soon coming wave of musicians and evangelists that will usher in the greatest Harvest in the name of Jesus.

Fathers Of Thunder from Don Potter, Lou Engle, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones & Mo

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#4 - Tennessee Government Recognizes Lou Engle and The Call

"...inspired by the significance of the date 07/07/07, Lou Engle and organizers of The Call Nashville believe that a gathering of fasting and praying Believers will bring about God's visiting America in an historic awakening...."

On April 9, 2007 the One Hundred Fifth General Assembly of the State of Tennessee and the House of Representatives passed a resolution recognizing and blessing The Call and Lou Engle, passed by the Tennessee state legislature. A resolution is a deeper legislative act than a "proclamation". A resolution carries more weight of authority, and goes through a more complicated legal process before passing. It passed both houses with 100% "ayes."

© 2011 MorningStar Ministries << Rick Joyner

#4 - Tennessee Government Recognizes Lou Engle and The Call by Christina Bednarz : MorningStar Ministries

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Urgent From Lou Engle: "JOIN THOUSANDS ON THE PHONE FOR A PRAYERCAST THIS SATURDAY!!!"
Join Us for A Very Important Phone Event--
This Saturday, October 21, from 9 AM-12 PM Pacific Time.
To register for these important phone calls, go to www.TheCauseUSA.com for more information.
Dear Friends,

As a nation we are in an urgent hour! As I've talked to prophetic friends in ministry, the Lord seems to be highlighting six main issues to pray about for America over this election season. Everyone is sensing that as a nation, we are once again at a critical crossroads with these upcoming elections.

Recently Rick Joyner said to me, "The upcoming mid-term elections are far more important than possibly any other mid-term elections in our history. We are in dire need for God to intervene in our government! We've got to pray for leadership at this time. If they can turn the tide on certain moral issues, it's going to be critical to what I believe is coming--another Great Awakening that could be the greatest awakening America has ever seen."

Urgent From Lou Engle: "JOIN THOUSANDS ON THE PHONE FOR A PRAYERCAST THIS SATURDAY!!!"
 
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So the question would be #1 Can you quote anything he has said that opposes scripture, and #2 Does he call attention to himself or glorify Christ. If the answer to these question are no, or even if you do not know the answer whether it is yes or no, then you have no reason to jump on the persecute Rick Joyner band wagon.

My answer to these questions are i do not know. And I certainly will not take the word of a bunch of censationalist that will attack you, me or anyone else that believes in the gifts of the holy Spirit.
work on this one:)


At the end of The Final Quest, Joyner has a conversation with Paul, in which Paul says the following.

“True humility is agreement with the truth. Do not fear. My letters were true, and they were written by the anointing of the Holy Spirit. However, I was given so much, and I did not use all that I was given. I, too, fell short. Everyone here has fallen short, except One. But you must especially see this about me, because many are still distorting my teachings because they have a distorted view of me.”… “I so appreciate the grace of the Lord to use my letters as He has. But I am concerned with the way many of you are using them wrongly. They are the truth of the Holy Spirit, and they are Scripture. The Lord did give me great stones to set into the structure of His eternal church, but they are not foundation stones. The foundation stones were laid by Jesus, alone. My life and ministry are not the example of what you are called to be. Jesus alone is that. If what I have written is used as a foundation, it will not be able to hold the weight of that which needs to be built upon it. What I have written must be built upon the only Foundation that can withstand what you are about to endure; it must be used as the foundation. You must see my teachings through the Lord’s teachings, not try to understand Him from my perspective. His words are the foundation. I have built upon them by elaborating on His words. The greatest wisdom, and the most powerful truths, are His words, not mine.”

In these statements, Joyner carefully weaves the following argument. Paul was a sinner like all of us. He fell short of his calling. Therefore, Paul’s revelation is not sufficient for us today. We need more. This form of argument suffers from an irrelevant conclusion. Paul’s sin does not imply that his writings are not sufficient. In fact, Paul’s sin has nothing to do with the sufficiency of scripture. The scriptures are sufficient because they were authored by God’s superintending sovereign power and are revealed to sinners through the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit.
 

zone

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what???
he claims to have met paul???

help Abiding...link me please.

supposedly Paul said: "My life and ministry are not the example of what you are called to be. Jesus alone is that. If what I have written is used as a foundation, it will not be able to hold the weight of that which needs to be built upon it"

???

God help us