Noah's Ark

[oldhermit]

Actually, it renders it inexplicable, until one realizes that the original story tellers were not aware of the existence of the other continents.

What you are doing is reducing the biblical account to nothing more that a collection of fables created by "story tellers." The Bible is the revelation of the mind of God and relativizes all other knowledge that comes about through the processes of full socialization. Everything else must be weighed against the revealed account. Never try to weigh scripture against the scientific or archaeological communities.

 

[GaryA]

Then why has he never published the tests on these items that everyone has asked for? He was hounded for years to show proof and he never did.

I certainly do not know the situation with each and every case, but I am pretty sure that there are some - shall we say - "political-pressure-based incentives" - involved...

( "Did someone say there may be threats involved...?" ) .

 

[Therapon]

I do not believe I would place too much confidence in Ron Wyatt's claims. The man was nothing more than an amiture adventurer. He was certainly not an archaeologist. He was well known for jumping to unwarranted conclusions about his findings and offering speculations that he could not prove.

I knew Ron Wyatt personally, had many discussions with him on the phone. I also had many photographs and papers about his findings. I will state straight out . . .

You don't know what you are talking about and are defaming a good servant of the Lord.

 

[oldhermit]

I knew Ron Wyatt personally, had many discussions with him on the phone. I also had many photographs and papers about his findings. I will state straight out . . .

You don't know what you are talking about and are defaming a good servant of the Lord.

I am afraid I did not have the pleasure of knowing Mr. Wyatt. It is not my intent to defame the man in any way. I am sure he was a fine man. As to whether or not he was a servant of the Lord is a mater I will have to leave the Almighty. What I do know is the biblical text and there are things about some of his conclusions particularly with his claims about Jabel el Laws that simply do not agree with scripture.

 

[4enlightment]

Hello people, I've decided to make a new post because I feel that it's good to have a discussion.

I'm sure that you are all aware of the bible story of Noah and the Ark that God commanded him to make and herd 2 of each animal onto the Ark, for God was to cleanse the world of sinners. But what's stricken me recently is when, Noah had to huddle on 2 of each species onto the ark so that when the waters cease, Noah can release the animals into the wild so that they can repopulate the plains. We all know that the Ark was ( after 40 days and 40 nights ) resting on the mountains of Ararat, but, was the flood global? if it was, then how do we explain the animals that are on Australia? such as the marsupials, the birds in the amazon , the polar bears in the cold climates of the world and many more.

If Noah did indeed rest the ark in Turkey, then how do you explain the animals on the other continents if Noah released the animals to the 1 continent. This never ever made sense to me, but I would appreciate some thought taken into this.

Thanks guys! Have a blessed day! )0(

Every being on this earth migrated to a certain area of the world that pleases them. Some has carried other species with them. I heard that Europeans has brought dandelions to America and viruses to the natives as well.

 

[Therapon]

I am afraid I did not have the pleasure of knowing Mr. Wyatt. It is not my intent to defame the man in any way. I am sure he was a fine man. As to whether or not he was a servant of the Lord is a mater I will have to leave the Almighty. What I do know is the biblical text and there are things about some of his conclusions particularly with his claims about Jabel el Laws that simply do not agree with scripture.

How kind of you to leave Ron's salvation to the Lord Jesus. Concerning Ron's conclusions about Mount Sinai, they may disagree with your interpretation of Scripture, but dozens of his photos have passed through my hands that support his conclusions.

 

[GaryA]

Are you aware of those 'ridges' on the ocean floor that 'meander' the earth like the seams on a baseball?

- that are believed to be the places where the water was forced up from beneath when all the fountains of the great deep were broken up?

Genesis 7:

[SUP]11[/SUP] In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Well - it certainly appears that those 'ridges' have not moved very much since the beginning of the flood --- or, the characteristic physical cross-sectional features would be utterly destroyed if they were "dragged" in some direction -- they would no longer be distinct 'ridges', but would be more like "stretch-marks" across the landscape - and would not be so uniform across the ocean floor around the globe. In fact, there are actually some specific areas on some of these ridges that have been "stretched" -- but, not half-way around the globe...

I believe that the whole face of the earth was probably re-arranged quite a bit by the turmoil of the flood waters during the flood; however, after that -- the ocean floors and the continents have been pretty stable. ( after everything settled )

The continents were all connected. They still are...

Study the shape of the ocean floors, the continental shelves, etc.

What do you think created the continental shelves?

( Think: end-of-flood continental shore-lines before the water rose later )

Under-water cities? They were not under water at the time they were built.

Study the shape of the ocean floors, the continental shelves, etc.

Food for thought...

 

[oldhermit]

How kind of you to leave Ron's salvation to the Lord Jesus. Concerning Ron's conclusions about Mount Sinai, they may disagree with your interpretation of Scripture, but dozens of his photos have passed through my hands that support his conclusions.

Perhaps we could discuss some of these conclusions and compare them to the biblical descriptions.

 

[GaryA]

Perhaps we could discuss some of these conclusions and compare them to the biblical descriptions.

I am thinking that could be very interesting. Why don't you start a "Ron Wyatt's research conclusions" thread?

 

[oldhermit]

I am thinking that could be very interesting. Why don't you start a "Ron Wyatt's research conclusions" thread?

I have an old thread on this. I suppose we could resurrect that thread however, I do not want to make this about Ron Wyatt. I have nothing against the man himself.

 

[overcomer2]

He will make all things known, why not, before he comes back.

Psalm 145:12 To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom.

 

[GaryA]

I have an old thread on this. I suppose we could resurrect that thread { all it takes is one post } however, I do not want to make this about Ron Wyatt. { "research conclusions" } I have nothing against the man himself. { neither do I ( see below ) }

I happen to believe that many of his research conclusions are credible. As proof, I offer this thread I created a while back...:

Ark Of The Covenant FOUND!

BTW - if anyone knows where these videos might currently exist ( they keep disappearing - I wonder why... ) -- please let me know - or update the above thread... Thanks!

 

[Therapon]

I happen to believe that many of his research conclusions are credible. As proof, I offer this thread I created a while back...:

Ark Of The Covenant FOUND!

BTW - if anyone knows where these videos might currently exist ( they keep disappearing - I wonder why... ) -- please let me know - or update the above thread... Thanks!

As I wrote earlier, I knew Ron Wyatt personally, and more humble, dedicated servant of the Lord Jesus would be hard to find. A fallible human, of course, but under no circumstances would he have ever falsified what he found or published it without a lot of prayer and soul-searching.

Professionally, Ron was an anesthesiologist, you know, but he only worked at it until he had enough money to support his digs in the holy land and then he would be off on a biblical site somewhere. His Ark of the covenant find is credible, his Noah's Ark find is indisputable as is his Mt. Sinai find. But debating his findings would be an exercise in futility. Over the years I have found, despite sometimes irrefutable evidence to the contrary, that people will believe what they want to believe, anyway.

 

[GaryA]

As I wrote earlier, I knew Ron Wyatt personally, and more humble, dedicated servant of the Lord Jesus would be hard to find. A fallible human, of course, but under no circumstances would he have ever falsified what he found or published it without a lot of prayer and soul-searching.

Professionally, Ron was an anesthesiologist, you know, but he only worked at it until he had enough money to support his digs in the holy land and then he would be off on a biblical site somewhere. His Ark of the covenant find is credible, his Noah's Ark find is indisputable as is his Mt. Sinai find. But debating his findings would be an exercise in futility. Over the years I have found, despite sometimes irrefutable evidence to the contrary, that people will believe what they want to believe, anyway.

"Are you kidding? This is true of most people most of the time... hahaha"

This is the part that is most debatable among people --- one person's 'irrefutable evidence' can easily be another person's 'hogwash'...

 

[GaryA]

"Are you kidding? This is true of most people most of the time... hahaha"

On a more serious note...

And sometimes -- including me, and you, and everyone else...

"We must never think that we cannot fall into this trap -- if we do think such a thing - then, surely - we have fallen into this trap..."

( the pride problem that is at the root of it )

 

[Therapon]

"Are you kidding? This is true of most people most of the time... hahaha"

This is the part that is most debatable among people --- one person's 'irrefutable evidence' can easily be another person's 'hogwash'...

A few years ago I was in a chat room for Baptist pastors. I was quoting one Scripture and another that disagreed with some hallowed doctrinal position, only to be chastised by one pompous young popinjay with, "Skolfield, you are heretic!"

I had to remind him that it wasn't heresy to quote the Bible. <smile>

 

[Therapon]

On a more serious note...

And sometimes -- including me, and you, and everyone else...

"We must never think that we cannot fall into this trap -- if we do think such a thing - then, surely - we have fallen into this trap..."

( the pride problem that is at the root of it )

This might happen to someone else, but not to you and me, certainly.

 

[just-me]

A few years ago I was in a chat room for Baptist pastors. I was quoting one Scripture and another that disagreed with some hallowed doctrinal position, only to be chastised by one pompous young popinjay with, "Skolfield, you are heretic!"

I had to remind him that it wasn't heresy to quote the Bible. <smile>

Better to prove all things concerning good and evil by the Word of God rather than take any man's word for it. If the Bible doesn't mention it, it might be true but it isn't really important.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-22 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Rejoice evermore.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Pray without ceasing.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Quench not the Spirit.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Despise not prophesyings.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.

 

[weakness]

Pretty bold statement there...

Egypt:
People have become rebellious. Atum said he will destroy all he made and return the earth to the Primordial Water which was its original state. Atum will remain, in the form of a serpent, with Osiris. [Faulkner, plate 30] (Unfortunately the version of the papyrus with the flood story is damaged and unclear. See also Budge, p. ccii.)

Flood Stories from Around the World

You didn't expect it to be word for word from Genesis, did you?



If you live to be 900 years old then 500 years old then that is the equivalent of 39 years old today. Don't know about you, but when I was thirty-nine, I could work 16 hours a day, 6 days a week.



Well perhaps you can explain why there is sedimentary rock in the Alps, Rockies etc.?[/QUOTE As the plates (individual pieces of the earths crust) Collide or go over or under another plate .One effect when two of these plates collide ,is that the ground which, once was ,say at sea level or even under water is pushed up ,and causes mountains.That is why sedimentary rock is found in the alps ( believing your statement) Even sea shells and marine fossils are found at high elevations.The reason these plates are moving is there are a sting of volcanoes at the bottom of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans that constantly erupt and produce new land ,which moves outward. The Himalaya Mts. are still rising and grow taller every year.

 

[JesusLives]

Ah I see, I didn't realise it didn't rain before the flood.

Kinda Makes my point redundant in your eyes lol

Believe me there was a time I didn't know it had not rained before the flood and someone pointed it out to me - so we are all learning here. No harm no foul.