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[dcontroversal]

That is Gnosticism.

Read up on it...

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It was the Gnostics who taught a "positional righteousness" in conjunction with a "manifest wickedness."

The Bible teaches the opposite...

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

The Bible never teaches that the human body is wicked, corrupt and not subject unto the word of God. Where is that taught in the Bible?

The Bible teaches that the CARNAL MIND is not subject to God and that is why Christian's put to death the carnal mind in repentance whereby they henceforth yield to the Spirit and are thus cleansed and made pure.

You are actually a Gnostic who unwittingly uses the various proof texts and Christian terminology you have been brainwashed with in order to promote the same basic tenets of ancient Gnosticism.

The children of God are MANIFEST by their deeds and likewise the children of the devil are MANIFEST by their deeds. You teach that deeds have nothing to do with it because salvation is some abstract position that has nothing to do with actual conduct.



You have no idea what salvation even means.

Salvation is FROM sin. You have been deluded into thinking that one can be "saved" and yet at the same time raping babies and murdering women. Cannot you see how absurd that is?

David was not saved in his sins. He had to repent in order to be redeemed. No one is saved in their sins. We are saved FROM our sins.

A prisoner is not free whilst locked up in jail. Israel was not free when still in bondage in Egypt. Deliverance involves being SET FREE and Jesus Himself taught that those whom sin are the servants of sin. You are claiming that a servant of sin is somehow saved.

Paul taught that we are slaved to whom we obey, obedience unto righteousness or sin unto death. You ignore those parts of the Bible and any honest person reading this exchange knows it.

You still cannot address the issue of heart purity. You simply refuse to and invent some excuse that I "follow some man" and say things "which are false."

Well prove your accusations. You don't say anything of content, there is nothing of substance behind what you write.

"Failing" according to you is David committing adultery and murder. Thus under your theology you can have "saved" child molesters and serial killers. The church in your religion is a hodge podge of people engaged in all manner of wickedness because the sin never stops. You just cloak it with "sometimes" and "slip up" etc.

Again the real issue is the refusal to deal with the HEART. Your religion is all about "trust" and "confess" and yet the heart remains wicked. Modern Pharisees serve doctrines instead of rites and rituals like the olden day ones.

The HEART is the issue. The issue is not the flesh body, the flesh body is merely a vehicle we are meant to bring under control. It was the Gnostics who blamed sin on the flesh as thus denied their own responsibility.

More accusations, lies and heretical religion....funny as it is you who has no clue....I suggest you actually trust Jesus before you find out too late what it means to be lost and in your sins man......

Jesus said the flesh is weak
Paul said the body is dead because of sin
Paul said he finds a law that when he goes to do good that sin is PRESENT with him
John said that if WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN WE DECIEVE our SELF and the TRUTH is not in us.<---PRESENT TENSE

I suggest you pay attention to the word WE as John knows way more than you do and it is obvious that you are delusional............!

The rest of your baseless accusations are nothing more than that...I suggest you open your eyes and study the word.....!

 

[3Scoreand10]

But how do we know that people don't live a sinless life. The Bible tells us that we will never face a temptation that we cannot handle and if by chance we do, he gives us a way out.

I don't condemn anyone (never our place to condemn but only to apply righteous judgement) but I also don't think that the possibility of living a sinless life after salvation is impossible.

Then you are denying the Word.
1 John says "If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us"
It seems that some people's difinition of sin is not as inclusive as God's.
And some call sin just messing up or making a mistake.
Sin is sin is sin is sin.

 

[jahsoul]

Christ did not have Adam's sin nature and was not born of a man....try again!

So you are of the belief that it was impossible for Christ to sin? While Christ was not born of man, he was MAN. He was in the sinful flesh and according to Hebrews 2

17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

So how can Christ be like his brothers in "every respect" but yet the propensity to sin be missing. Hebrews 4 also states that

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

If Christ couldn't sin, then why was he ever tempted. If Christ couldn't sin, how could he sympathize with our weakness? Thing is, he didn't sin.

 

[Chica]

So you are of the belief that it was impossible for Christ to sin? While Christ was not born of man, he was MAN. He was in the sinful flesh and according to Hebrews 2



So how can Christ be like his brothers in "every respect" but yet the propensity to sin be missing. Hebrews 4 also states that



If Christ couldn't sin, then why was he ever tempted. If Christ couldn't sin, how could he sympathize with our weakness? Thing is, he didn't sin.

He was in the sinful flesh and according to Hebrews 2

No, Jesus was in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3

For he heath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin 2Cor.5:21a

 

[jahsoul]

No, Jesus was in the likeness of sinful flesh. Romans 8:3

For he heath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin 2Cor.5:21a

He knew no sin because he didn't commit sin. Christ knew what sin was; if we are to believe what Paul said in Romans 7, the Law showed Christ what sin was. He mentioned sin many times in his messages. Again, Hebrews say that he was made like his brothers in every aspect. A mannequin can have the likeness of a human but could never be one.

Like I stated earlier, if Christ couldn't sin, why did we even need to know of his temptation after fasting? What purpose does that serve at all?

 

[Chica]

More accusations, lies and heretical religion....funny as it is you who has no clue....I suggest you actually trust Jesus before you find out too late what it means to be lost and in your sins man......

Jesus said the flesh is weak
Paul said the body is dead because of sin
Paul said he finds a law that when he goes to do good that sin is PRESENT with him
John said that if WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN WE DECIEVE our SELF and the TRUTH is not in us.<---PRESENT TENSE

I suggest you pay attention to the word WE as John knows way more than you do and it is obvious that you are delusional............!

The rest of your baseless accusations are nothing more than that...I suggest you open your eyes and study the word.....!

John even said:

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 1John 2:1

 

[Jason0047]

In 2 Timothy 3:1-9, we see Paul mention that there are false believers who have a form of Godliness but they deny the power thereof. Paul then lists various sins attached to them. So... no. We know for a fact that believers cannot abide in sin as a way of life and still be saved. Also, Peter says the same thing. In 2 Peter 2:1, 14, he says there are certain false prophets (believers) who have eyes full of adultery who cannot cease from sin.

1 John 1:8 is in context to 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 1:6-7.

1 John 1:6 says if we say we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness we lie and do not the truth. This is repeated in more clearer words in the next chapter where John says if we say know him and do not keep his commandments we are a liar (See 1 John 2:3-6).

1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. It is not.... if we walk in darkness or sin.... then the blood cleanses us. No, no. The passage does not say that.

Anyways, when we read 1 John 1:8, based on the context of the epistle we understand that verse 8 is a warning written to believers about those false believers trying to deceive them that they have no sin on a spiritual level. In other words, these false believers that John was warning the brethren about believed in an extreme form of Antinomianism (Where sin did not exist to them on any level). This is sort of similar belief that is being pushed by many in false churches today. For they say they have no sin debt because Jesus paid the price for all their sins (Past, present, and future). So they are forgiven on a spiritual level eternally. They have no sin spiritually. But what is tricky and deceptive about what they believe is that they will admit that they sin physically. But we know that the sin here is speaking spiritually. For the epistle does not ever clarify that the sins being forgiven here are physical in nature only. In fact, we know that John is speaking spiritually of life and death thru out his entire epistle. He says he that does not love does not know God. He says that whosoever hates his brother is a murderer and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding within them.

The true believer will not say they have no sin spiritually like the Antinomian today. They will confess their sin so as to be forgiven of their sin as 1 John 1:9 says. But the Antinomian today denies what 1 John 1:9 says, though. It is the one verse (among many) that they ignore.

 

[jahsoul]

Then you are denying the Word.
1 John says "If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us"
It seems that some people's difinition of sin is not as inclusive as God's.
And some call sin just messing up or making a mistake.
Sin is sin is sin is sin.

Sin is sin and Christ made it a heart and action matter. That being said, I don't deny the word at all. Do you deny Romans 6? Do you philosophize Christ telling the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more? I'm not saying that you do (I don't know you) but if you rest your hat on 1 John 1, so be it. I can't condemn you..lol. I pray the same prayer for you that I do for all believers; that we all live a life pleasing to God in every area.

Just don't use a broad brush to paint those who believe in sinless living as self righteous or legalistic. Generalizations (as we can see all through CC) can go both ways.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Sin is sin and Christ made it a heart and action matter. That being said, I don't deny the word at all. Do you deny Romans 6? Do you philosophize Christ telling the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more? I'm not saying that you do (I don't know you) but if you rest your hat on 1 John 1, so be it. I can't condemn you..lol. I pray the same prayer for you that I do for all believers; that we all live a life pleasing to God in every area.

Just don't use a broad brush to paint those who believe in sinless living as self righteous or legalistic. Generalizations (as we can see all through CC) can go both ways.

Do you really believe that you live a sinless life? How long ( days, weeks, months) have you lived without sin?
Please answer me truthfully.

 

[Jason0047]

In 2 Timothy 3:1-9, we see Paul mention that there are false believers who have a form of Godliness but they deny the power thereof. Paul then lists various sins attached to them. So... no. We know for a fact that believers cannot abide in sin as a way of life and still be saved. Also, Peter says the same thing. In 2 Peter 2:1, 14, he says there are certain false prophets (believers) who have eyes full of adultery who cannot cease from sin.

1 John 1:8 is in context to 1 John 1:9 and 1 John 1:6-7.

1 John 1:6 says if we say we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness we lie and do not the truth. This is repeated in more clearer words in the next chapter where John says if we say know him and do not keep his commandments we are a liar (See 1 John 2:3-6).

1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as he is in the light, then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. It is not.... if we walk in darkness or sin.... then the blood cleanses us. No, no. The passage does not say that.

Anyways, when we read 1 John 1:8, based on the context of the epistle we understand that verse 8 is a warning written to believers about those false believers trying to deceive them that they have no sin on a spiritual level. In other words, these false believers that John was warning the brethren about believed in an extreme form of Antinomianism (Where sin did not exist to them on any level). This is sort of similar belief that is being pushed by many in false churches today. For they say they have no sin debt because Jesus paid the price for all their sins (Past, present, and future). So they are forgiven on a spiritual level eternally. They have no sin spiritually. But what is tricky and deceptive about what they believe is that they will admit that they sin physically. But we know that the sin here is speaking spiritually. For the epistle does not ever clarify that the sins being forgiven here are physical in nature only. In fact, we know that John is speaking spiritually of life and death thru out his entire epistle. He says he that does not love does not know God. He says that whosoever hates his brother is a murderer and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding within them.

The true believer will not say they have no sin spiritually like the Antinomian today. They will confess their sin so as to be forgiven of their sin as 1 John 1:9 says. But the Antinomian today denies what 1 John 1:9 says, though. It is the one verse (among many) that they ignore.

When I say that a true believer will admit to sin in their life, it is in context to what will they do with sin, if sin does arise in their life. Do they ignore it and think they are forgiven like the Antinomian? Or do they confess it so as to be forgiven of that sin as 1 John 1:9 tells them to do. This does not mean, true believers will forever be slaves to their sin the rest of their life (whereby they will be sinning, confessing, sinning, confessing over and over for the rest of their lives). 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Galatians 5:24 says that they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. Jesus tells us to be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. The Father is perfect because He is Holy and He cannot sin.

 

[Sirk]

Do you really believe that you live a sinless life? How long ( days, weeks, months) have you lived without sin?
Please answer me truthfully.

I wonder if the Westboro Baptist people think they are without sin??

 

[Jason0047]

We know the Westboro Baptist church is false because they do not love. For he that does not love does not know God.

 

[3Scoreand10]

When I say that a true believer will admit to sin in their life, it is in context to what will they do with sin, if sin does arise in their life. Do they ignore it and think they are forgiven like the Antinomian? Or do they confess it so as to be forgiven of that sin as 1 John 1:9 tells them to do. This does not mean, true believers will forever be slaves to their sin the rest of their life (whereby they will be sinning, confessing, sinning, confessing over and over for the rest of their lives). 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. Galatians 5:24 says that they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts. Jesus tells us to be ye perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. The Father is perfect because He is Holy and He cannot sin.

Jason I will ask you the same question that I asked jahsoul.
Have long (days, weeks, months) have you lived without sin?
Please answer me truthfully.
Simple question with a simple answer.

 

[jahsoul]

Do you really believe that you live a sinless life? How long ( days, weeks, months) have you lived without sin?
Please answer me truthfully.

Years actually and once I really understood that we choose to sin, it made it that much easier. See, the Bible tells us that we will never face a temptation that we can't handle, and if by chance, we do, we have a way out. I've never had an opportunity to sin without a moment to decide, and this goes from when I chose to do the right thing or the wrong thing.

And please, don't look at this as a pat on the back because it isn't. Am I tempted DAILY; you bet I am but I use that time consult the High Priest who has faced the same temptations that I have. And again, this is no boast because just as I'm speaking to you now, I can drop my guard and fall to whatever sin I'm presented with but I thank God that if we do fall, we have an advocate with the Father.

Being candid, every time I failed, it was because I rested on my laurels, believing that I didn't need a daily renewal of the Spirit, and I was brought back to reality, very quickly. But let me ask you 2 questions:

What is your view on Ephesians 6:11?
Do you choose to sin?

 

[Jason0047]

Jason I will ask you the same question that I asked jahsoul.
Have long (days, weeks, months) have you lived without sin?
Please answer me truthfully.
Simple question with a simple answer.

As I said before, I do not reveal too many details of my personal life because it can be destructive. For God's Word will be my judge; It will not be you or anyone else. Second, it would be boasting if I were to say such thing, as well. Third, even if I were to reveal such a thing to you, whether it be 5 years, 10 years, a couple of months, I do not think it would change your mind one iota because you have a preconceived belief. What I can tell you is that I have done so for a good amount of time. But even if I have never accomplished such a task before, it does not change the truth in Scripture. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. They that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24). For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Even Jesus said if your eye is in darkness, then your whole body is in darkness. Meaning, a person cannot sin even a little or think they can get away with a little sin thinking they are saved. A mental acknowledgment that Christ (God) is their Savior is not going to cut it. There are too many Scriptures that refute such a false belief.

 

[3Scoreand10]

Years actually and once I really understood that we choose to sin, it made it that much easier. See, the Bible tells us that we will never face a temptation that we can't handle, and if by chance, we do, we have a way out. I've never had an opportunity to sin without a moment to decide, and this goes from when I chose to do the right thing or the wrong thing.

And please, don't look at this as a pat on the back because it isn't. Am I tempted DAILY; you bet I am but I use that time consult the High Priest who has faced the same temptations that I have. And again, this is no boast because just as I'm speaking to you now, I can drop my guard and fall to whatever sin I'm presented with but I thank God that if we do fall, we have an advocate with the Father.

Being candid, every time I failed, it was because I rested on my laurels, believing that I didn't need a daily renewal of the Spirit, and I was brought back to reality, very quickly. But let me ask you 2 questions:

What is your view on Ephesians 6:11?
Do you choose to sin?

You can believe that if you wish, but I believe God and His word as recorded in 1 John.
You are deceiving yourself and calling God a liar by that statement.

 

[jahsoul]

As I said before, I do not reveal details of my personal life because it can be destructive. Second, it would be boasting if I were to say such thing, as well. Third, even if I were to reveal such a thing to you, whether it be 5 years, 10 years, a couple of months, I do not think it would change your mind one iota because you have a preconceived belief. What I can tell you is that I have done so for a good amount of time. But even if I have never accomplished such a task before, it does not change the truth in Scripture. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. They that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24). For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Even Jesus said if your eye is in darkness, then your whole body is in darkness. Meaning, a person cannot sin even a little or think they can get away with a little sin thinking they are saved by some mental acknowledgment that Christ (God) is their Savior.

I told him because he asked and I have nothing to shy away from nor could it be seen as a boast. I feel that giving you a straight answer and in turn I could get the same respect; but we will see.

 

[3Scoreand10]

As I said before, I do not reveal too many details of my personal life because it can be destructive. For God will be my judge. Not you. Second, it would be boasting if I were to say such thing, as well. Third, even if I were to reveal such a thing to you, whether it be 5 years, 10 years, a couple of months, I do not think it would change your mind one iota because you have a preconceived belief. What I can tell you is that I have done so for a good amount of time. But even if I have never accomplished such a task before, it does not change the truth in Scripture. 1 Peter 4:1 says they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin. They that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts (Galatians 5:24). For without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Even Jesus said if your eye is in darkness, then your whole body is in darkness. Meaning, a person cannot sin even a little or think they can get away with a little sin thinking they are saved by some mental acknowledgment that Christ (God) is their Savior.

Such foolish pride and arrogance.

 

[jahsoul]

You can believe that if you wish, but I believe God and His word as recorded in 1 John.
You are deceiving yourself and calling God a liar by that statement.

Thanks for answering the question I presented

But do you know me; tell me what sin I indulge in? What sin am I committing? I should sin because I'm under grace?

Have I sinned? Yes
Do I continue to sin? No
Do I face temptation daily? Yes

Because you choose to fall to your desire, don't make that the standard for everyone else that chooses this walk. Again, you rest your entire belief system of sin on 1 John 1 and I will continue to do as Christ told the woman caught adultery after he saved her from condemnation and we can agree to disagree.

 

[Jason0047]

I told him because he asked and I have nothing to shy away from nor could it be seen as a boast. I feel that giving you a straight answer and in turn I could get the same respect; but we will see.

Everyone is different. But for me it feels like I would be boasting. Also, I feel it is best it stays between me and the Lord for now.