This is not at all what the Bible or Jesus said...I have no idea why you stated this, but it is not true at all...John 15 makes it very clear we are to lead fruitful lives and bear much fruit, Jesus even produced Fruit and said he would in John 12....
The idea that we also cannot discern by the Holy Spirit who is not saved and who is also a lie. Jesus said clearly we would know people by their fruit.
Easy believing loves to say...gee Wally, I really do no know who is saved and who is not because grace does not judge another....
Judging and spirit led discernment are 2 very different things. We do not know the difference because the emphasis is on easy believing and only the passive works of Christ in a Believer.....this removes the need for the Holy Spirit to be anything in the believers life, except for a .49 stamp of redemption. This is also why easy believing says no fruit is needed, because they seem have forgotten that Gal 5.22-23 says it is the fruit of the SPIRIT......
If the Holy Spirit has no work in the life of the believer other than being a .49 cent stamp of redemption, then of course you can say...their is no fruit needed and not every believer will live a fruitful life, because you remove all the responsibility for Spiritual growth, maturity and fruit bearing from the Holy Spirit.....and then claim...Jesus is passively working in me and I can sit back and not have to do anything to help myself spiritually grow, mature and bear fruit....PLEASE NOTICE I DID NOT SAY TO STAY SAVED.....
This is why this whole stupid thread is still alive....We have so far removed ourselves from the responsibility to work with Christ and the Holy Spirit to spiritually grow, mature and bear fruit AFTER SALVATION.....we stagnant into onward Christian Soldiers that defend doctrine and tradition, instead of being Onward Christian soldiers empowered by the Holy Spirit to take back what the enemy has stolen and to be used by the Holy Spirit to destroy the yoke, lift the burden and change the life....
Some of you are so abysmally blinded by passive work alone doctrine, you really would have no clue how to advance the kingdom....so you advance doctrines, traditions and engage in bloviation to hide the fact you really have no clue or idea what you should be doing now that you partook of the free gift....and this is a discerning sign that full surrender has never really taken place, because if it has there would be no more pride left to defend.....
This goes for both sides of this foolish thread.....
can we please move on from the elementary doctrines about the Christ, stop laying down the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment!?!?!