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ok so therefor where no diffrent coz we have his laws written on our minds,, there is no need to say know the lord becuause all will know from the least to the greatest you will know the lord and your grace will be sufficient enough for you...
you dont need to witness anything you will know and wont be able to say i dont know or didnt witness you come judgement day...
you dont need to witness anything you will know and wont be able to say i dont know or didnt witness you come judgement day...
Believe and faith is the same.
If I BELIEVE that you will drive me to my job...
I have FAITH that you will drive me to my job...
If I BELIEVE in Jesus...
I have FAITH in Jesus...
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Faith(noun)
belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity; reliance on testimony
Faith(noun)
the assent of the mind to the statement or proposition of another, on the ground of the manifest truth of what he utters; firm and earnest belief, on probable evidence of any kind, especially in regard to important moral truth
Faith(noun)
the belief in the historic truthfulness of the Scripture narrative, and the supernatural origin of its teachings, sometimes called historical and speculative faith
Faith(noun)
the belief in the facts and truth of the Scriptures, with a practical love of them; especially, that confiding and affectionate belief in the person and work of Christ, which affects the character and life, and makes a man a true Christian, -- called a practical, evangelical, or saving faith
Faith(noun)
that which is believed on any subject, whether in science, politics, or religion; especially (Theol.), a system of religious belief of any kind; as, the Jewish or Mohammedan faith; and especially, the system of truth taught by Christ; as, the Christian faith; also, the creed or belief of a Christian society or church
Faith(noun)
fidelity to one's promises, or allegiance to duty, or to a person honored and beloved; loyalty
Faith(noun)
word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity; as, he violated his faith
Faith(noun)
credibility or truth
Faith
by my faith; in truth; verily
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Believe(noun)
to exercise belief in; to credit upon the authority or testimony of another; to be persuaded of the truth of, upon evidence furnished by reasons, arguments, and deductions of the mind, or by circumstances other than personal knowledge; to regard or accept as true; to place confidence in; to think; to consider; as, to believe a person, a statement, or a doctrine
Believe(verb)
to have a firm persuasion, esp. of the truths of religion; to have a persuasion approaching to certainty; to exercise belief or faith
Believe(verb)
to think; to suppose
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Belief(noun)
assent to a proposition or affirmation, or the acceptance of a fact, opinion, or assertion as real or true, without immediate personal knowledge; reliance upon word or testimony; partial or full assurance without positive knowledge or absolute certainty; persuasion; conviction; confidence; as, belief of a witness; the belief of our senses
Belief(noun)
a persuasion of the truths of religion; faith
Belief(noun)
the thing believed; the object of belief
Belief(noun)
a tenet, or the body of tenets, held by the advocates of any class of views; doctrine; creed
If I BELIEVE that you will drive me to my job...
I have FAITH that you will drive me to my job...
If I BELIEVE in Jesus...
I have FAITH in Jesus...
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Webster Dictionary(4.00 / 1 vote)Rate this definition:
Faith(noun)
belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting solely and implicitly on his authority and veracity; reliance on testimony
Faith(noun)
the assent of the mind to the statement or proposition of another, on the ground of the manifest truth of what he utters; firm and earnest belief, on probable evidence of any kind, especially in regard to important moral truth
Faith(noun)
the belief in the historic truthfulness of the Scripture narrative, and the supernatural origin of its teachings, sometimes called historical and speculative faith
Faith(noun)
the belief in the facts and truth of the Scriptures, with a practical love of them; especially, that confiding and affectionate belief in the person and work of Christ, which affects the character and life, and makes a man a true Christian, -- called a practical, evangelical, or saving faith
Faith(noun)
that which is believed on any subject, whether in science, politics, or religion; especially (Theol.), a system of religious belief of any kind; as, the Jewish or Mohammedan faith; and especially, the system of truth taught by Christ; as, the Christian faith; also, the creed or belief of a Christian society or church
Faith(noun)
fidelity to one's promises, or allegiance to duty, or to a person honored and beloved; loyalty
Faith(noun)
word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity; as, he violated his faith
Faith(noun)
credibility or truth
Faith
by my faith; in truth; verily
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Believe(noun)
to exercise belief in; to credit upon the authority or testimony of another; to be persuaded of the truth of, upon evidence furnished by reasons, arguments, and deductions of the mind, or by circumstances other than personal knowledge; to regard or accept as true; to place confidence in; to think; to consider; as, to believe a person, a statement, or a doctrine
Believe(verb)
to have a firm persuasion, esp. of the truths of religion; to have a persuasion approaching to certainty; to exercise belief or faith
Believe(verb)
to think; to suppose
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Webster Dictionary(0.00 / 0 votes)Rate this definition:
Belief(noun)
assent to a proposition or affirmation, or the acceptance of a fact, opinion, or assertion as real or true, without immediate personal knowledge; reliance upon word or testimony; partial or full assurance without positive knowledge or absolute certainty; persuasion; conviction; confidence; as, belief of a witness; the belief of our senses
Belief(noun)
a persuasion of the truths of religion; faith
Belief(noun)
the thing believed; the object of belief
Belief(noun)
a tenet, or the body of tenets, held by the advocates of any class of views; doctrine; creed
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wrong, belief just means mental ascent, if you have faith, you are assured or trust, whicj is much deeper than belief
I believe you are fran, does not mean i trust you at all
I believed Obama was my president, I had no faith in him at all,
I can believe in jesus, does not mean i trust him at all.
as james said, you believe you do well, even demons believe, but if your faith is dead, your belief means nothing
And, alas, herein lies part of the problem.
If you can state that BELIEVE and FAITH is diffferent, thus you come to incorrect conclusions.
It's apparent that many here do not know what BELIEVE means even though I've been talking about it for at least two months now.
Know why?
It does not suit your belief system to understand what BELIEVE means.
It's not up to me to convince you. That's not why I'm here.
I listed the meanings. If you cannot even believe those, what's left to say?
I tend to believe what Jesus says.
If HE said that the seeds in the parable of the sower heard with JOY,
yet he had no firm root
but was only TEMPORARY
and when affliction or persecution came
because of the word
IMMEDIATELY he FALLS AWAY.
There is a price to be paid for being in the Kingdom of God.
Some are not willing to accept this.
So what do they do...?
1. When trouble comes along, they FALL AWAY.
2. They make a doctrine of easy believism.
They tell themselves that NOTHING is required of them --- only believe.
Too bad they don't know what believe means to God.
Too bad they aren't willing to pay the price for staying in the Kingdom.
If you can state that BELIEVE and FAITH is diffferent, thus you come to incorrect conclusions.
It's apparent that many here do not know what BELIEVE means even though I've been talking about it for at least two months now.
Know why?
It does not suit your belief system to understand what BELIEVE means.
It's not up to me to convince you. That's not why I'm here.
I listed the meanings. If you cannot even believe those, what's left to say?
I tend to believe what Jesus says.
If HE said that the seeds in the parable of the sower heard with JOY,
yet he had no firm root
but was only TEMPORARY
and when affliction or persecution came
because of the word
IMMEDIATELY he FALLS AWAY.
There is a price to be paid for being in the Kingdom of God.
Some are not willing to accept this.
So what do they do...?
1. When trouble comes along, they FALL AWAY.
2. They make a doctrine of easy believism.
They tell themselves that NOTHING is required of them --- only believe.
Too bad they don't know what believe means to God.
Too bad they aren't willing to pay the price for staying in the Kingdom.
I believe and have faith in the fact that those who close the door in peoples faces and dont repent are cowards.. and i have faith in that belief.. to have faith in a belief can happen when they obeyed the ten commandments in the old testement..
belief faith believe all are of the same tree i undertand franc,, only the likes of et will prove you wrong for anything its all about how right he is.. if hes right about this he right about everything and if hes wrong about something he shuts the door in your face.. what you call a child..
belief faith believe all are of the same tree i undertand franc,, only the likes of et will prove you wrong for anything its all about how right he is.. if hes right about this he right about everything and if hes wrong about something he shuts the door in your face.. what you call a child..
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awww you've done it now
I tried this sort of thing pages back and it went over like a lead balloon
sometimes you can only use 3/4 of your brain cells in these threads
that way, you have a slight chance of connecting
and by the way, I will absolutely use plausible deniability regarding the above
I have learned that we have at least 2 brains and 2 or more hearts from reading this thread. I also have learned we think with our hearts and put our brains to bed when we use the Bible to mean what we want it to mean
remember: plausible deniability
People who are saved should start baring some sort of fruit immediately.
How much fruit they bare depending on how much a person grows and learns to trust God in different ares of their life. The more they abide in the vine (grow in faith of just trusting jesus) , the more fruit they will bare. ..
morning bro yup quite often when people deceive the word of God they often slip up right here just like when he said he has had enough of your crap meaning you speak crap and he doesnt..
also meaning he cant handle correction either or his lies being brought to the service..
We see this kind of behavior with people who are prematurely given authority to teach and even preach...they are so prideful and not firmly grounded in their own identity in Christ, that they go unchecked and unchallenged by those under them....because they are viewed as the sole authority on a subject....Then when they are challenged to see things they are lacking....they act out as many do here....
Funny thing I see them all do...they play the victim and beg the other person to place them on ignore, but they never place the person on ignore...this allows them to continue to flex their muscles....
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Your right, it is a problem, In fact, what we have here is what I think is circular reasoning? (every point you made to support your position can also support my position)
1. If you think belief and faith are the same, You will come to wrong conclusions
2. It is obvious you do not understand the meaning of the word belief, or the word faith.
3. know why? it does not support your belief system.
4. Its not up to me to convince you what faith means, that is not what I am hear for.
As you can see, these are what you call circular argments which do not support your view or mine, We need more than this.
As for the rest, You have a dictionary meaning, which really did not support your view. It may it may not, but we need more than that.
I gave actual life examples. and as usual you did not even discuss those examples to show me where I got it wrong.
Here is another example. I do not have faith it will change your view, But there is always hope.
a man runs a line across the Niagara falls, and puts a rock into a wheel barrow which is about 150 lbs (the average weight of a human) this man makes multiple trips across this line with the rock, proving he has the ability to take a human across the falls. Of course, one wrong move, and both the man and the human would fall to their death.
After 5 trips. the man asks a crowd of about 100 people who had seen what he did, Do you believe I can take a human across in this wheel barrow. All 100 say yes.
Then the man asks, Ok, prove your faith, who will get in the wheel barrow and let me take them across.
No one raises their hand..
why?
They believe the man can do it, They have seen him walk across 5 times with an object which weighs the same as they do.
However, Non of them have FAITH (are assured) he can do it, they are not willing to put their lives in this mans hand, because they do not trust him.
They have belief, they DO NOT have faith.
in the same token, Many people belief jesus when he says he will save them, based on the cross. However, many do not have faith he can do it, and are not willing to put their eternity in the hands of a person they can not see.
not to mention, We have james, where people had belief in Jesus, but had a dead faith. which is no faith at all.
so I have now given you two life examples. and a biblical example. What you do with it, is out of my hands, I can just pray you see it.
The people you are talking about had no fruit. So your claiming a person can produce no fruit (no works) and still be saved. Are you sure you want to walk with that line of reasoning?
As for your final line,
I refer you to a great song, maybe you have sang it before? if you have not, look it up. if you have, I pray you actually see what the song says.
Jesus paid it all...
1. If you think belief and faith are the same, You will come to wrong conclusions
2. It is obvious you do not understand the meaning of the word belief, or the word faith.
3. know why? it does not support your belief system.
4. Its not up to me to convince you what faith means, that is not what I am hear for.
As you can see, these are what you call circular argments which do not support your view or mine, We need more than this.
As for the rest, You have a dictionary meaning, which really did not support your view. It may it may not, but we need more than that.
I gave actual life examples. and as usual you did not even discuss those examples to show me where I got it wrong.
Here is another example. I do not have faith it will change your view, But there is always hope.
a man runs a line across the Niagara falls, and puts a rock into a wheel barrow which is about 150 lbs (the average weight of a human) this man makes multiple trips across this line with the rock, proving he has the ability to take a human across the falls. Of course, one wrong move, and both the man and the human would fall to their death.
After 5 trips. the man asks a crowd of about 100 people who had seen what he did, Do you believe I can take a human across in this wheel barrow. All 100 say yes.
Then the man asks, Ok, prove your faith, who will get in the wheel barrow and let me take them across.
No one raises their hand..
why?
They believe the man can do it, They have seen him walk across 5 times with an object which weighs the same as they do.
However, Non of them have FAITH (are assured) he can do it, they are not willing to put their lives in this mans hand, because they do not trust him.
They have belief, they DO NOT have faith.
in the same token, Many people belief jesus when he says he will save them, based on the cross. However, many do not have faith he can do it, and are not willing to put their eternity in the hands of a person they can not see.
not to mention, We have james, where people had belief in Jesus, but had a dead faith. which is no faith at all.
so I have now given you two life examples. and a biblical example. What you do with it, is out of my hands, I can just pray you see it.
The people you are talking about had no fruit. So your claiming a person can produce no fruit (no works) and still be saved. Are you sure you want to walk with that line of reasoning?
As for your final line,
I refer you to a great song, maybe you have sang it before? if you have not, look it up. if you have, I pray you actually see what the song says.
Jesus paid it all...
- I hear the Savior say,
“Thy strength indeed is small;
Child of weakness, watch and pray,
Find in Me thine all in all.”- Refrain:
Jesus paid it all,
All to Him I owe;
Sin had left a crimson stain,
He washed it white as snow.
- Refrain:
- For nothing good have I
Whereby Thy grace to claim;
I’ll wash my garments white
In the blood of Calv’ry’s Lamb. - And now complete in Him,
My robe, His righteousness,
Close sheltered ’neath His side,
I am divinely blest. - Lord, now indeed I find
Thy pow’r, and Thine alone,
Can change the *leper’s spots [*leopard’s]
And melt the heart of stone. - When from my dying bed
My ransomed soul shall rise,
“Jesus died my soul to save,”
Shall rend the vaulted skies. - And when before the throne
I stand in Him complete,
I’ll lay my trophies down,
All down at Jesus’ feet.
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Actually it is easy.
When meggido says EG believes something he does not believe
When meggido says EG needs to believe something he already believes,
When meggido says EG has said something EG has never stated
When meggido twists what EG says, and makes it appear to say somethign he never said,
It is called slander.
You are being watched, Every time you slander someone, it is being copied and pasted. and after awhile if it gets to much, we will share what we have seen, And it will be shared with the mods.
Unless you wish to stop this nonsense, repent that you have sinned, and desire to move on even if we disagree.
When meggido says EG believes something he does not believe
When meggido says EG needs to believe something he already believes,
When meggido says EG has said something EG has never stated
When meggido twists what EG says, and makes it appear to say somethign he never said,
It is called slander.
You are being watched, Every time you slander someone, it is being copied and pasted. and after awhile if it gets to much, we will share what we have seen, And it will be shared with the mods.
Unless you wish to stop this nonsense, repent that you have sinned, and desire to move on even if we disagree.
Not one of us has ever said we work for any form of grace.....we don't....
Stop confusing grace and mercy, youa re suggesting they are one of the same and they are not...
When God spared the children in the wilderness and let them die in the wilderness over 40 years he showed his mercy....when he did not kill them outright as he wanted to he showed his grace...
Are you suggesting there is no punishment or judgement for sin under grace?
Sin always has a judgement....we sow what we reap...
DCON loves to say David was forgiven and was saved and had faith and and the Lord showed mercy on him, so the sin was taken care off....He seems to imply by saying those things that David escaped the punishment for his SINs of adultery and murder...but he did not escape judgement or punishment and still paid the price for committing the SINs of adultery and murder....The death of the infant son was the immediate punishment for the sins of the Father....
Ananias & Sapphira died for the sin of lying....
Stop confusing grace and mercy, youa re suggesting they are one of the same and they are not...
When God spared the children in the wilderness and let them die in the wilderness over 40 years he showed his mercy....when he did not kill them outright as he wanted to he showed his grace...
Are you suggesting there is no punishment or judgement for sin under grace?
Sin always has a judgement....we sow what we reap...
DCON loves to say David was forgiven and was saved and had faith and and the Lord showed mercy on him, so the sin was taken care off....He seems to imply by saying those things that David escaped the punishment for his SINs of adultery and murder...but he did not escape judgement or punishment and still paid the price for committing the SINs of adultery and murder....The death of the infant son was the immediate punishment for the sins of the Father....
Ananias & Sapphira died for the sin of lying....
I see pride as the biggest issue satan fell because of it.. but because where human we cant and theres no comparison according to ets theology.. and now his supporters.. hes been getting away with abusing members here for a long time..
maybe he has some redeeming qualities from what i get out of et is he has to constantly put you to the test sought of like someone who constantly needs reasurance but goes about it the wrong way..
maybe he has some redeeming qualities from what i get out of et is he has to constantly put you to the test sought of like someone who constantly needs reasurance but goes about it the wrong way..
awww you've done it now
I tried this sort of thing pages back and it went over like a lead balloon
sometimes you can only use 3/4 of your brain cells in these threads
that way, you have a slight chance of connecting
and by the way, I will absolutely use plausible deniability regarding the above
I have learned that we have at least 2 brains and 2 or more hearts from reading this thread. I also have learned we think with our hearts and put our brains to bed when we use the Bible to mean what we want it to mean
remember: plausible deniability
I tried this sort of thing pages back and it went over like a lead balloon
sometimes you can only use 3/4 of your brain cells in these threads
that way, you have a slight chance of connecting
and by the way, I will absolutely use plausible deniability regarding the above
I have learned that we have at least 2 brains and 2 or more hearts from reading this thread. I also have learned we think with our hearts and put our brains to bed when we use the Bible to mean what we want it to mean
remember: plausible deniability
You're too intelligent to be here!!
I like to come here and then leave --- so I could be considered intelligent too !!
It's of little use to Exchange ideas, we're each embedded in our own doctrine.
Nothing wrong with that.
What's wrong with it is the REASONS given.
They are non-biblical.
It's necessary to add to, or deduct from, any given verse.
Verses cannot stand on their own when not properly understood.
So, you may say... "Only YOU are right?"
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only I am right!!
LOL
stop talking to them about manifold empowering grace it just confuses them...empowering grace is not a foundational doctrine and will not be discussed....
see, this group is fixated on foundational knowledge....heaven weeps they will not go onto spiritual maturity and see how much more is out there....