Not By Works

[Stephen63]

POST #28601

Most definitely. These ones that continually exhibit the malice and bitterness and deceitfulness toward others in the body of Christ as well as the slandering of others in the body of Christ are just behaving like the blatantly living homosexuals.

The ones deceived by homosexuality say "I'm only loving others like Jesus said to do."

The ones deceived in deceit and slandering and malice with bitterness say "I'm only rebuking them and teaching truth."

( in reality what they really mean is - as I and my church teachings believe it to be and if you believe differently - we will personally attack you).

It's just religious garbage talk to disguise their works of the flesh for what it really is.

There are those in authority in the "local assembly" that it is their job to rebuke those that are trouble makers in the local body but it is not for every Tom, Dick and Jane on the internet's role.

Those that have a history of this type of foul behavior - I simply ignore and don't interact with. Rom. 16:17

See the part in red? He quoted one of my posts with PennEd. That means all of G777's post is about me.

Here's my post.....

You, sir, cannot say I don't have love for reproving & teaching truth. That's a judgment call.

Neither can I say you have love simply because you talk it up.

I'm the only one in this thread who has said this to anyone.

This is against the rules.

 

[dcontroversal]

See the part in red? He quoted one of my posts with PennEd. That means all of G777's post is about me.

Here's my post.....



I'm the only one in this thread who has said this to anyone.

This is against the rules.

Everybody quotes someone at one time or another.......so what gives

 

[Gabriel2020]

Instability of the truth that is right before their eyes is because people have not wisdom knowledge, nor understanding of God's word. and this is because they do not ask God for it. they think they can figure it out on their own. Jesus said he would give us the keys to the kingdom to unlock the truth. his keys, not any other key, but his. Ask and it shall be given.

 

[Grace777x70]

All of us say that we are preaching truth.

It's the "behavior" that is being addressed. It's the continued foul behavior that is malice-filled and slanderous and the deceitful way some distort what is being said. That is the reason why not to interact with them.

We don't have to respond to the "porn ads" that we see pop up on our screens from time to time.

If someone has a different view than you do on a subject - they feel it is their right to publicly slander you for having a different view then they or their group does. It's dis-respectful behavior.

We can be against a certain doctrine but that doesn't give license to slander them and publicly attack them. We can give our opinion on a doctrine with the scriptures we believe shows the truth of the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ and then leave it in the Lord's hands.

It's just the flesh acting up and those in malice and deceit and slandering others in the body of Christ are acting no different then those that live a homosexual lifestyle.

This doesn't mean we have to agree with what people say - but we should be respectful of them and treat with with proper Christian behavior.

If people "identify" themselves in some posts - well......they can discuss that with their Lord.

 

[dcontroversal]

Amazing works I trust in thee
To deliver a wretch like me
I once was lost and am not found
Because I trusted in thee......

Many (plenteous in number) will say to me in that day....Lord, Lord have we not done many wonderful works in your name........

a. JESUS does not know them even though they claim to know him
b. Their wonderful works did not save them even though they trusted into their works to gain entrance into the kingdom
c. They will be cast from his presence

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE (no works required to gain or keep salvation) It is belief that saves!

 

[TruthTalk]

No, I'm a former soldier that served with the 101st Airborne Division.

I served our country in Vietnam 1970-71, 4th Inf. Div. 4/42. We helped out a company of the 101st Airborne in Cambodia June 2, 1970 - June 10th. Any chance you were there - a real touch and go situation by the minute - we won they lost.

 

[JIMBO43]

Lies are thoughts that speak into our minds. Like what you were saying in that post. God won't hear you. Or forgive. I can't remember exactly what you said. (I said this wrong) They speak lies into our minds.

But, demons do have some kind of substance and can touch one. They hate Jesus. And Jesus in us.

Truth however, will stop them from attacking. No rights to do so. You need to see this.

There not lies from my own mind i can assure you of that... just a few weeks ago the day befor that madman from wales who drove all the way down to london and drove into a crowd of muslims killing some of them.. i was told about it the day befor,,,,,, i was told there is going to be a terroist attack in london... i was so convinced i told all you guys.... and right just befor i told you guys it happened straight away.. again just two days ago the day befor the latest terroist attack in barcelona where 33 innocent people where mowed down by another vehicle.. i was told befor it happend that i was going to see another terroist attack today on the news and people where going to be run over... I got home that same day switched the tv on .... Guess what yup another attack... i actually broke down in tears witht the trauma of it all... Niether one of theese preminitions i had where prophesies but a chain of demons that our in the know about whats going to happen and get pleasure in telling you...


I cant tell you how scared i am and was can you imagine how hard my life is... its happened to me on all the terror attacks that have taking place by jihadists... befor its happened i have been told ,,, that was why i told you guys the last time befor it happened.... the reason why i couldnt tell you this time because i was at work when i got told..... i came home and prayed to God saying please dont let this be real but sure enough like all the others it was... i am super scared as i type this right now...

 

[willybob]

I have known of fathers who sounded mean because they talked rough & straight, yet love their children greatly.

I have known mothers that talked softly & mannerly yet were full of hatred & bitterness.

God told Samuel you can't judge from the outward appearance.

this is true Stephan, and the most evil of governments are the ones pretending to be good....Jesus asked; how can you being evil come speaking good things...They take upon themselves the image of the good witch of the west, which is even more evil than the wicked witch of the east.......be blessed

 

[willybob]

Breaking down the strongholds and centuries old myths

Judas was hand picked by Jesus. Was Jesus being deceitful when He picked Him? I think not, the very implications alone blacken Jesus' character with guile ....He gave Judas the power to cast out devils, heal all manner of sickness and disease , and minister the gospel. The truth is Judas did not endure in the faith thus fell away...Jesus did not give these powers to just anyone who isn’t saved. In fact; Satan cannot cast out Satan, nor does he have the power to do so, yet Judas was given that power by Jesus...Jesus was troubled in the spirit when he was loosing His good friend Judas, and made a last effort to turn Him when making the friendship effort of dipping ones bread into the sop and offering it up. I know many will run to Acts 1 to justify that Judas was never saved, but that was a parallel prophecy whereas if the shoe fits then wear it that the scripture be fulfilled.....Judas like king Saul fell into perdition....

 

[Magenta]

Jesus was troubled in the spirit when he was loosing His good friend Judas, and made a last effort to turn Him when making the friendship effort of dipping ones bread into the sop and offering it up. I know many will run to Acts 1 to justify that Judas was never saved, but that was a parallel prophecy whereas if the shoe fist then wear it that the scripture be fulfilled.....Judas like king Saul fell into perdition....

That is not what Scripture says at all. Jesus indicated who was going to betray Him by giving the bread to Judas when those with Him asked who was going to betray Him. Your assertion is fanciful but completely without merit.

Matthew 26
20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say
unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began
every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?

23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his
hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.

 

[willybob]

The righteous and the wicked are on almost every page of the text. Here we see how God entreats both...Don't number yourself among the wicked sinners, it isn't worth it, but rather get right with God in repentance, faith, patience, endurance ...



Eccl. 2:26 For God giveth to a man that is good in his sight wisdom, and knowledge, and joy: but to the sinner he giveth travail, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him that is good before God. This also is vanity and vexation of spirit.

be blessed

 

[dcontroversal]

That is not what Scripture says at all. Jesus indicated who was going to betray Him by giving the bread to Judas when those with Him asked who was going to betray Him. Your assertion is fanciful but completely without merit.

Matthew 26
20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say
unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began
every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?

23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his
hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.

Amen....Judas was never saved......he is a go to guy that the workers for and sinless perfectionists like to use to try and prove the loss of salvation.....ignorantly I might add!

 

[FranC]

You can chater and verse? I want to see this.

Oh.
You lightened up!!!
Nice.

 

[Magenta]

Amen....Judas was never saved......he is a go to guy that the workers for and sinless perfectionists like to use to try and prove the loss of salvation.....ignorantly I might add!

They want to say Judas did works in the name of Jesus, and claim that as proof that Judas was saved, when Scripture plainly teaches that those who do works in His name are not all His, not all clean, not all saved... just as Judas was not clean, and not saved. PS: I should have said he who dipped his hand at the same time as Jesus, not the one whom Jesus gave the bread.

Matthew 22:6-7~

“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?” “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

 

[FranC]

Breaking down the strongholds and centuries old myths

Judas was hand picked by Jesus. Was Jesus being deceitful when He picked Him? I think not, the very implications alone blacken Jesus' character with guile ....He gave Judas the power to cast out devils, heal all manner of sickness and disease , and minister the gospel. The truth is Judas did not endure in the faith thus fell away...Jesus did not give these powers to just anyone who isn’t saved. In fact; Satan cannot cast out Satan, nor does he have the power to do so, yet Judas was given that power by Jesus...Jesus was troubled in the spirit when he was loosing His good friend Judas, and made a last effort to turn Him when making the friendship effort of dipping ones bread into the sop and offering it up. I know many will run to Acts 1 to justify that Judas was never saved, but that was a parallel prophecy whereas if the shoe fits then wear it that the scripture be fulfilled.....Judas like king Saul fell into perdition....

This is absolutely correct.

We have posters here who, by twisting scripture, end up contradicting themselves.

When it suits them they will say that Jesus cannot fail in saving them and that Jesus does it all and they don't even have to do anything.

Then, when it suits them Jesus becomes rather unable to even notice that Judas is not saved and sends him out with the other 11 to do God's work.

Incredible !

One should stick to scripture which is very plain and understandable in order to avoid these contradictions.

 

[dcontroversal]

This is absolutely correct.

We have posters here who, by twisting scripture, end up contradicting themselves.

When it suits them they will say that Jesus cannot fail in saving them and that Jesus does it all and they don't even have to do anything.

Then, when it suits them Jesus becomes rather unable to even notice that Judas is not saved and sends him out with the other 11 to do God's work.

Incredible !

One should stick to scripture which is very plain and understandable in order to avoid these contradictions.

If you would actually embrace your last statement and apply it.......Jesus chose Judas so as to fulfill scripture and there is not one verse that states, implies or proves that Judas was ever saved, yet plenty to prove he was lost from day one and through the whole process.......

 

[FranC]

They want to say Judas did works in the name of Jesus, and claim that as proof that Judas was saved, when Scripture plainly teaches that those who do works in His name are not all His, not all clean, not all saved... just as Judas was not clean, and not saved. PS: I should have said he who dipped his hand at the same time as Jesus, not the one whom Jesus gave the bread.

Matthew 22:6-7~

“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?” “And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

Those who do works in His name are not clean...you say?

Not even the ones Jesus Himself picks?
So now you're saying Jesus makes mistakes???

He sent a non-believer to preach the word of God?

 

[FranC]

If you would actually embrace your last statement and apply it.......Jesus chose Judas so as to fulfill scripture and there is not one verse that states, implies or proves that Judas was ever saved, yet plenty to prove he was lost from day one and through the whole process.......

How from day one?
Where's the verse?

Why didn't Jesus just send out the 11 in Mathew 10 instead of sending out the 12?
He could have kept Judas with Him to do some bookkeeping instead of sending an unbeliever to preach God's word!

 

[joefizz]

This is absolutely correct.

We have posters here who, by twisting scripture, end up contradicting themselves.

When it suits them they will say that Jesus cannot fail in saving them and that Jesus does it all and they don't even have to do anything.

Then, when it suits them Jesus becomes rather unable to even notice that Judas is not saved and sends him out with the other 11 to do God's work.

Incredible !

One should stick to scripture which is very plain and understandable in order to avoid these contradictions.

I disagree with saying scripture is "plain" not all interpret the bible the same way,and it requires growing in spirit for further understanding,so it's not "plain" otherwise everyone would understand the bible immediately.

 

[FranC]

Amen....Judas was never saved......he is a go to guy that the workers for and sinless perfectionists like to use to try and prove the loss of salvation.....ignorantly I might add!

Didn't you say you'd stop the name calling?
"Workers for"

Jesus failed again since it's HE who "does it all".

According to you, of course.

Isn't theology great? Everything fits So well when one sticks to plain and simple scripture.

You see, it's You who cannot keep your own desire,,,NOT Jesus. As You claim by saying that He's working
Through you.

YOU are not able.
Jesus IS able.

You should stop saying it's He who does it all.