Not By Works
- Thread starter dcontroversal
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Which God made me, not that i attained it myself, but God made me who i am. And where in Scriptures does it teach or imply that if a person claims to be what God made him is sinful? Don't say pride either, because i never, ever came in here proclaiming that i was a prophet, but answered the question presented to me honestly when i was asked if i was a prophet, again no sin there either.
So your method of determining if a prophet is who he/she says they are is based on what YOU believe personally and not what the Scriptures teach how you can tell a false prophet from a real one, that is what you are saying. You deem me false, not because i have said anything contrary to any Scriptures, but you deem me false because i said something that YOU don't believe. Who made YOU the judge to determine who is and who is not a prophet? Do you think God would approve of judging another based on mere personal opinions or would approve a person judging according to the Word of God?
So i have spoke with God in conversations many times, seen and spoke with Angels of God, had many visions of the future, and dreams of the future, understand mysteries of the Bible, but because i said something that you don't agree with, you testify to everyone here, that i am false. How do you think God will respond to that, if i am Truly His chosen servant to reveal His Truths to a generation that He already told me, would refuse it? Do you think He would approve or disaprove?
And you are still misunderstanding what i teach. FAITH ONLY can a get a person Saved. You seem to fail to grasp that Getting Saved, and what a person must do once they ARE Saved, are two different requirements. Getting Saved only requires Faith in Jesus. Believing that He is the Son of God. Being Saved is the reason the rest of the New Testament was written.
Think about it, if the only thing required for one to Get Saved and be Saved, is Faith ONLY, then there would be no need for 95 percent of the New Testament. Would not have been enough to merely put down in Word the verses required for one to Get Saved, then there is no need for all the other verses which teach what a person must DO now that they ARE Saved. But we have 100% of the New Testament, because it teaches us what a person must do to Get Saved and also plainly teaches what we must DO once we are Saved. For some reason it seems you unable to distinguish between what is required for one to Get Saved and what is required for one once they have already been Saved.
Getting Saved requires NO WORKS whatsoever, it is a free gift, and not one person deserves it.
Being Saved requires that we Keep His Commandments, and those Commandments are 1) Believe in Jesus AND 2) Love One Another. That is what is required once a person accepts the free gift of Salvation.
Scriptures teach those who Fail to Keep His Commandments, that is to say they fail to believe on Jesus or Love One Another, they do not know the Truth nor do they know Jesus Christ. Do you believe the Scriptures that teach these things or do you have an interpretation that will change these verses to mean something other that what they say?
True, again, this is for a person to GET SAVED.
James is teaching to people who are already Saved, NOT teaching to get people Saved. What James teaches, it to those who have already accepted Jesus as their Savior and Lord. James is not teaching things to try to get unsaved to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord. Again you seem to misunderstand the differences between Getting Saved, and Being Saved. Those tho things are entirely different one from the other, and Both require different things.
A person does not have to Keep His Commandments in order to GET Saved. A person can Get Saved by merely having Faith that Jesus is the Son of God. But after that free gift is given to a person, then a different set of requirements come into play, AFTER a person Gets Saved, it is then that they are instructed to "Keep His Commandments". And His Commandments are to 1) Believe on Jesus (Faith) AND 2) Love One Another (Works). Do you understand?
Getting Saved = Faith Only / Believing is enough / No Works required whatsoever / free gift from God / underserving.
Being Saved = Faith AND Works / Keeping His Commandments / Believe on Jesus AND Love One Another / Faith + Works.
Do you see the differences?
This is TRUE, concerning how a person GETS Saved.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
So your method of determining if a prophet is who he/she says they are is based on what YOU believe personally and not what the Scriptures teach how you can tell a false prophet from a real one, that is what you are saying. You deem me false, not because i have said anything contrary to any Scriptures, but you deem me false because i said something that YOU don't believe. Who made YOU the judge to determine who is and who is not a prophet? Do you think God would approve of judging another based on mere personal opinions or would approve a person judging according to the Word of God?
So i have spoke with God in conversations many times, seen and spoke with Angels of God, had many visions of the future, and dreams of the future, understand mysteries of the Bible, but because i said something that you don't agree with, you testify to everyone here, that i am false. How do you think God will respond to that, if i am Truly His chosen servant to reveal His Truths to a generation that He already told me, would refuse it? Do you think He would approve or disaprove?
And you are still misunderstanding what i teach. FAITH ONLY can a get a person Saved. You seem to fail to grasp that Getting Saved, and what a person must do once they ARE Saved, are two different requirements. Getting Saved only requires Faith in Jesus. Believing that He is the Son of God. Being Saved is the reason the rest of the New Testament was written.
Think about it, if the only thing required for one to Get Saved and be Saved, is Faith ONLY, then there would be no need for 95 percent of the New Testament. Would not have been enough to merely put down in Word the verses required for one to Get Saved, then there is no need for all the other verses which teach what a person must DO now that they ARE Saved. But we have 100% of the New Testament, because it teaches us what a person must do to Get Saved and also plainly teaches what we must DO once we are Saved. For some reason it seems you unable to distinguish between what is required for one to Get Saved and what is required for one once they have already been Saved.
Getting Saved requires NO WORKS whatsoever, it is a free gift, and not one person deserves it.
Being Saved requires that we Keep His Commandments, and those Commandments are 1) Believe in Jesus AND 2) Love One Another. That is what is required once a person accepts the free gift of Salvation.
Scriptures teach those who Fail to Keep His Commandments, that is to say they fail to believe on Jesus or Love One Another, they do not know the Truth nor do they know Jesus Christ. Do you believe the Scriptures that teach these things or do you have an interpretation that will change these verses to mean something other that what they say?
True, again, this is for a person to GET SAVED.
James is teaching to people who are already Saved, NOT teaching to get people Saved. What James teaches, it to those who have already accepted Jesus as their Savior and Lord. James is not teaching things to try to get unsaved to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord. Again you seem to misunderstand the differences between Getting Saved, and Being Saved. Those tho things are entirely different one from the other, and Both require different things.
A person does not have to Keep His Commandments in order to GET Saved. A person can Get Saved by merely having Faith that Jesus is the Son of God. But after that free gift is given to a person, then a different set of requirements come into play, AFTER a person Gets Saved, it is then that they are instructed to "Keep His Commandments". And His Commandments are to 1) Believe on Jesus (Faith) AND 2) Love One Another (Works). Do you understand?
Getting Saved = Faith Only / Believing is enough / No Works required whatsoever / free gift from God / underserving.
Being Saved = Faith AND Works / Keeping His Commandments / Believe on Jesus AND Love One Another / Faith + Works.
Do you see the differences?
This is TRUE, concerning how a person GETS Saved.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Hi DC
I often grasped onto the verses of being saved through the fire. Well is say grasped it was more of a faint hope.
I have to be honest I don't actually know what works of wood, hay and stubble are.
I just hoped my faith in Jesus would save me and it was faint at my best times.
The problem I had was that of insecurity with God.
I never used wood, hay and stubble as an excuse to sin.
I would be interested to know what you and others think what is wood, hay and stubble is.
I often grasped onto the verses of being saved through the fire. Well is say grasped it was more of a faint hope.
I have to be honest I don't actually know what works of wood, hay and stubble are.
I just hoped my faith in Jesus would save me and it was faint at my best times.
The problem I had was that of insecurity with God.
I never used wood, hay and stubble as an excuse to sin.
I would be interested to know what you and others think what is wood, hay and stubble is.
Saved is saved....there is no such thing as getting saved and then finishing the deal by works...Galatians 1 and 3.....end of story....salvation is not progressive....it is a ONE time event based upon faith and is eternal...you do not get half saved and then finish the deal by what you do.....sorry...the bible does not teach that.....
Works of wood, hay and stubble = a worldly believer who was not faithful.....and saved yet so as by fire would have a modern equivalent of by the skin of their teeth......saved and that is all they have..........like the Prodigal....a son throughout the whole process, and he wasted his inheritance upon riotous living, but was still received as a son.....
Sure. Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. (James 4:17)
What James is saying (in modern parlance) is that "Talk is cheap" and "Put your money where your mouth is". At the time when James was writing (and to this day) there are people who say that they have been justified by God's grace and are saved. But there is no external evidence. It is not the quantity of good works that James is talking about, but it is whether or not those who say they are Christians ACT when they have the means and the opportunity to do good. That is what James 4:17 is teaching. That is also what the apostle John was teaching in his first epistle (1 John 3:16-18):
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
What James is saying (in modern parlance) is that "Talk is cheap" and "Put your money where your mouth is". At the time when James was writing (and to this day) there are people who say that they have been justified by God's grace and are saved. But there is no external evidence. It is not the quantity of good works that James is talking about, but it is whether or not those who say they are Christians ACT when they have the means and the opportunity to do good. That is what James 4:17 is teaching. That is also what the apostle John was teaching in his first epistle (1 John 3:16-18):
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
You have read it incorrectly, As i stated over and over and over again, i could not have done it without Jesus. Please reread what i wrote and try to see every time i stated that. Or are you just causing strife? God knows.
if you knowingly and willingly commit a sin, how is that not dominion over you? Those who slaves to sin, are those who continue to commit that sin over and over and over again.
Any person who continues to commit the same sin over and over and over again and can't cease from that sin, or worse yet desires not to cease from that sin, how are they not in bondage to that sin?
Jesus has freed me from my sins, it is by and through HIM that "i" overcame the temptations of satan. Did you notice who i gave the credit to, even though i used the word "i" above? This seems to be what you have missed in my previous post. All it seems you saw was the word "i" and thought i was giving the credit to self. please reread what i wrote.
We are not under the law (OT) couple verses down it teaches us who your Master is, that is to whom you obey?
Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Did he say this to the Unsaved or to those who are Christians?
even Jesus battled against sin, and He used the Word to fight against satan. To bad you do not battle against your temptations, that must mean you do not seek the help of Jesus to fight them. How will you cease from them, if you do not try to battle them. Oh, wait, you believe the doctrine that teaches you don't have to, that Faith ONLY is enough, right?
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
if you knowingly and willingly commit a sin, how is that not dominion over you? Those who slaves to sin, are those who continue to commit that sin over and over and over again.
Any person who continues to commit the same sin over and over and over again and can't cease from that sin, or worse yet desires not to cease from that sin, how are they not in bondage to that sin?
Jesus has freed me from my sins, it is by and through HIM that "i" overcame the temptations of satan. Did you notice who i gave the credit to, even though i used the word "i" above? This seems to be what you have missed in my previous post. All it seems you saw was the word "i" and thought i was giving the credit to self. please reread what i wrote.
We are not under the law (OT) couple verses down it teaches us who your Master is, that is to whom you obey?
Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Did he say this to the Unsaved or to those who are Christians?
And to answer your question, I do not battle my sin I focus on Jesus and He has promised me to win by His grace in me 
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
7
some of the animosity is apparent right here in this thread
being called delusional and other slurs because one warns and repeats the NT warnings, or presents a different interpretation, is a sample of how easy it seems to be for some to start being nasty to other believers...although truth be told, I am not quite convinced that some of these actually do view those with a different understanding as believers
I seem to recall in another thread where the accusation of not being saved was lobbed
it wasn't at me, but you do see this from time to time. that and the name calling
Last edited by a moderator:
Believing AND Loving One Another, is what is required for one to be Saved, unless of coarse you are unable to Love one another, such as death bed confessions.
True, GETTING SAVED is a one time event, it happens ONCE, not daily. That Gift is given ONCE to a person, on a particular day, the moment they get Saved. ONE TIME EVENT. At this event, their name is written in the Book of Life, they are Saved because of that ONE TIME EVENT of GETTING Saved. Now stat with me here, let us move past that ONE time event, and discuss what that person must DO after they GOT SAVED, After they got the free Gift from God, After they have been cleaned and washed white as snow. After they have the righteousness of Jesus Christ put upon them and they have been forgiven of all their past sins. Let us now discuss and talk about AFTER that day what a person MUST do, can we concentrate on that?
Now talking about AFTER that day a person is written in the Book of Life, let us talk about the Scriptures that plainly teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life.
YOu see there is a false teaching today that teaches if your name is written in the Book of Life, that it can't be removed EVER, yet there are Scriptures that teach that a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life. If then Scriptures teaches a person can be removed from the Book of Life, then the teaching that a person can't be removed from the Book of Life has to be False.
Men teach you can't be blotted out of the Book of Life once your name is written there.
Scriptures teach a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life AFTER their name is written there.
Who do you think i should believe? Men or God?
Your name is written in the Book of Life the very moment you GET Saved.
Your name can be blotted out of the Book of Life depending on what you willingly choose to DO after you Got Saved.
You desire so badly to banish me, don't you? Waiting for the day i slip up just once, so you can feel good about doing it.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
U
Not causing strife, people who cause strife have selfish ambition, praise Jesus I have a very fulfilling life
and do not use or need CC to feed some empty place in my soul or some emotional need
Perhaps my frame of reference is different, I did not accomplish anything with regards to victory over sin, it was all Jesus because of His victory.
Perhaps we are saying the same thing perhaps we are not
With regards to eternal life and salvation what is needed is a faith/belief in/on/towards the personal work of Jesus for each of us, the work He accomplished by His death and resurrection on behalf of each of us individually.
So with regards to the gift of eternal life, secure forever, NO works involved.
and do not use or need CC to feed some empty place in my soul or some emotional need
Perhaps my frame of reference is different, I did not accomplish anything with regards to victory over sin, it was all Jesus because of His victory.
Perhaps we are saying the same thing perhaps we are not
With regards to eternal life and salvation what is needed is a faith/belief in/on/towards the personal work of Jesus for each of us, the work He accomplished by His death and resurrection on behalf of each of us individually.
So with regards to the gift of eternal life, secure forever, NO works involved.
Believing AND Loving One Another, is what is required for one to be Saved, unless of coarse you are unable to Love one another, such as death bed confessions.
Know you not that satan had her? If it were not for satan, she would have loved you, and cared for you and would never have thought of kicking you out. We all would do well to know who the enemy is. The enemy was not your mother, but satan who had your mother in his grips.
So satan had his paws on your foster dad too. What do you hate your foster dad for what he did? Know you not that satan has got a hold of him, feeding him lies, and making him think about things that he should not be thinking about? Was your foster dad that enemy or was the True enemy satan who had him bound?
Does satan hate that which is good? Yes. If then you are good soul, he is going to hate you, yes? He is going to try to corrupt that goodness in you, by treating you terribly. Darkness will always attack the light. But in the end light will overcome all darkness. But not now, but only then.
You were unable to love them, because you failed to see who the TRUE enemy was. Your Mom, and your foster dad were not the enemy. satan who had them bound, was the enemy. If satan wasn't present with your Mom, she would have loved you dearly. If satan was not present with your foster dad, he would have loved you the right way and nourished you and not abused you. Therefore the enemy is not your Mom, or your foster Dad, but satan who controlled them. If people would have this knowledge they would not be so quick to hate the people instead of hating the one who has bound those people.
You hated your Mother for kicking you out at 14, how do you know if she didn't kick you out then she would have accidentally killed you the next year? Do you know?
Your Mom had some real problems, She was addicted to alcohol, verbally abusive, never did anything wrong, blamed you for many things, sinking into a pit that she knows will kill her, all the while satan whispering to her continually "Your life would get better if you kick her out?" satan knows also that if she does, that he would whisper to you "Your mother hates you, that is why she kicked you out" and you believe his lies, and therefore hate her. People, wake up, the enemy is not people, it is satan.
How do i love those who hate me?
These things i force myself to think upon.
1) Jesus died for that person. Am i to hate someone who Jesus loves?
2) i feel sorry for that person, not hate. satan has them bound, they are in bondage to him.
3) Whatever i think about that person i think about Christ. Whatsoever you do to the least of these, you do to me.
4) Love those that hate you
5) Jesus COMMANDED me to Love One Another.
When someone does me awefully wrong, i think on these above things. i hate no one. i hate satan and his demons, i love and hate no person, because the Spirit has taught me to remember those above things in that list.
Without satan, your Mom would have been the best Mom in the world.
Without satan, you foster Dad would have been the best Foster Dad in the world.
Know the True enemy, it is not people that you are suppose to Love.
Love that, a sad story turned Good.
Forgiving takes a lot of work
Does it matter what i think or what i believe? NOT in the slightest. But what does Scriptures teach concerning those who do not forgive or do not Love One Another? That!! believe, and not what people teach.
i have asked many times, to those who believe Once Saved Always Saved, questions that they DO NOT answer, because if they did, they would see the error of their thinking and would have to change what they believe to line up with Scriptures and because they are unwilling to change they merely do not answer the questions i present to them. Here is one below.
Mat_6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Mat_6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Tell me, if a person who is SAVED, and many years later that person is brutally raped, and that person even after many years after does not forgive that person for raping them, is that person still SAVED? How then can a person be Saved and NOT FORGIVEN? Can a person be Saved and at the same time NOT FORGIVEN? Can you answer these questions, those that believe OSAS?
What men teach is corruptible. What God teaches is TRUTH.
Anyone who does not forgive others, the Father in Heaven will NOT Forgive them, and it does not matter what they claim with their mouths, that they are Saved, washed by His Blood, under His Righteousness, that does not make void this inspired by God verse that plainly teaches if you do not forgive others, YOU will NOT be forgiven. PERIOD!!!
Scriptures also teaches this same thing about those who Hate others.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
You are mistaking quantity for quality. That widow who gave her whole living to God did just one good work which was recognized by Christ as proof of her salvation. So just one act of obedience (as pointed out by James) such as Abraham offering Isaac to God proves genuine salvation. Or Rahab offering assistance to those spies proved that she was justified.
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. (Heb 11:31)
By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace. (Heb 11:31)
So with regards to the gift of eternal life, secure forever, NO works involved.
Do not the Faith ONLY with NO WORKS teach the very same thing you say above.
Can you explain to me the following verse?
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Can a person who Got Saved many years ago, but now hates his brother for this or that reason, still have eternal life abiding in him? Contrary to this very verse? Answer me.
Do you claim to be Saved right now, and if you were brutally raped and you HATE that guy, tell me does eternal life still abide in you? Do you not see the error in that thinking. Does not Scriptures teach you the error of that thinking, yet you continue to believe as you do, which is contrary to the very Scriptures which you claim you believe? Why is that?
Scriptures teach anyone who hates another, eternal life does NOT abide in them.
YOU teach anyone who hates another, as long as they are SAVED, eternal life DOES still abide in you, making void the Word of God to fit into your own doctrine. How is that not evil in the sight of God?
Scriptures are TRUE, those who hate another, regardless if they claim to be Saved or not, does NOT have eternal life abiding in them. That is what Scriptures teach and should opened your eyes from being blind and see that you believe a false doctrine, but what? You choose to remain blind because you are unwilling to change what you believe, because you have believed your whole life what you believe now.
Scriptures are TRUE, Anyone, and i say ANYONE who hates another person, does NOT have eternal life in them, and it doesn't matter what you believe, it is not going to change that TRUTH.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Just my thoughts, I haven't really studied this yet.
My mind immediately goes to those who call Jesus Lord and yet Jesus says away with you, I know you not.
What was wrong is that they said they knew the Lord, but what did they do? They did their own thing like healing and the like without doing God's will. They lacked obedience. They went off and decided to have their own ministry, even if what they were good things to do.
Jesus said we could do many great things, but without love they are just a clanging symbol. People come up with ways to serve the Lord and He's not telling them to do those things.
I think of the Pharisees doing outward signs of being godly, but Jesus accused them of neglecting the weightier matters of the law like mercy, justice and faith.
So these people hear and begin to build on Jesus, but they aren't building as He has told them to.
God bless you, Bill!
My mind immediately goes to those who call Jesus Lord and yet Jesus says away with you, I know you not.
What was wrong is that they said they knew the Lord, but what did they do? They did their own thing like healing and the like without doing God's will. They lacked obedience. They went off and decided to have their own ministry, even if what they were good things to do.
Jesus said we could do many great things, but without love they are just a clanging symbol. People come up with ways to serve the Lord and He's not telling them to do those things.
I think of the Pharisees doing outward signs of being godly, but Jesus accused them of neglecting the weightier matters of the law like mercy, justice and faith.
So these people hear and begin to build on Jesus, but they aren't building as He has told them to.
God bless you, Bill!
Works of wood, hay, and stubble are related to testing our works to see if they are worthy of heavenly rewards, such as CROWNS. BTW, Salvation is NOT a Reward, it is a Free Gift by HIS GRACE. So the works of wood, hay, and stubble, are those we did for the Wrong Motive, because the ONLY PURE MOTIVE IS LOVE FOR HIM and others.
If you did the works to look good to your friends, IT IS WORTHLESS TO GOD and gets no Reward.
If you did the works only because you feel you have to, IT IS WORTHLESS TO GOD and gets no Reward.
If you did the works to try to earn part of your Salvation, IT IS WORTHLESS TO GOD and gets no Reward.
If you did the works for pride's sake, so you can pat yoursef on the back, IT IS WORTHLESS TO GOD and gets no Reward.
If you did the works only to earn money, IT IS WORTHLESS TO GOD and gets no Reward.
Matthew 7:22-23 (CSBBible)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, drive out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will announce to them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you lawbreakers!'
That is a reference to that Inner, Personnel, LOVE Relationship with Jesus Christ as LORD, meaning Master.
Those HE was talking about did everything for the WRONG MOTIVE.
You approach the scripture with the same piety and self-righteousness of the pharisees. In another post you stated this;
Your words:
"Believing AND Loving One Another", is what is required for one to be Saved, unless of coarse you are unable to Love one another, such as death bed confessions.
Going on your knees and crying out to God; "save me for I am a sinner", is what will save you. Believing AND Loving One Another, is a social gospel focused on me and my wonderful good deeds, this is a false gospel; you cannot merit your own salvation by "believing and loving one another", a false gospel; and the idea that someone on their "death bed", needs to be near someone to love them to be saved is faulty reasoning. By the way are you Catholic, because this sounds like Catholic dogma.
Never have I heard a gospel like this preached from the pulpit. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ apart from works.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so that no one can boast." Epheasians2:8,9
True Gospel
Your words:
"Believing AND Loving One Another", is what is required for one to be Saved, unless of coarse you are unable to Love one another, such as death bed confessions.
Going on your knees and crying out to God; "save me for I am a sinner", is what will save you. Believing AND Loving One Another, is a social gospel focused on me and my wonderful good deeds, this is a false gospel; you cannot merit your own salvation by "believing and loving one another", a false gospel; and the idea that someone on their "death bed", needs to be near someone to love them to be saved is faulty reasoning. By the way are you Catholic, because this sounds like Catholic dogma.
Never have I heard a gospel like this preached from the pulpit. We are saved by faith in Jesus Christ apart from works.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not by works, so that no one can boast." Epheasians2:8,9
True Gospel
Did Jesus love only those who loved Him back, or did Jesus Love Everyone?
Know you not that satan had her? If it were not for satan, she would have loved you, and cared for you and would never have thought of kicking you out. We all would do well to know who the enemy is. The enemy was not your mother, but satan who had your mother in his grips.
So satan had his paws on your foster dad too. What do you hate your foster dad for what he did? Know you not that satan has got a hold of him, feeding him lies, and making him think about things that he should not be thinking about? Was your foster dad that enemy or was the True enemy satan who had him bound?
Does satan hate that which is good? Yes. If then you are good soul, he is going to hate you, yes? He is going to try to corrupt that goodness in you, by treating you terribly. Darkness will always attack the light. But in the end light will overcome all darkness. But not now, but only then.
You were unable to love them, because you failed to see who the TRUE enemy was. Your Mom, and your foster dad were not the enemy. satan who had them bound, was the enemy. If satan wasn't present with your Mom, she would have loved you dearly. If satan was not present with your foster dad, he would have loved you the right way and nourished you and not abused you. Therefore the enemy is not your Mom, or your foster Dad, but satan who controlled them. If people would have this knowledge they would not be so quick to hate the people instead of hating the one who has bound those people.
You hated your Mother for kicking you out at 14, how do you know if she didn't kick you out then she would have accidentally killed you the next year? Do you know?
Your Mom had some real problems, She was addicted to alcohol, verbally abusive, never did anything wrong, blamed you for many things, sinking into a pit that she knows will kill her, all the while satan whispering to her continually "Your life would get better if you kick her out?" satan knows also that if she does, that he would whisper to you "Your mother hates you, that is why she kicked you out" and you believe his lies, and therefore hate her. People, wake up, the enemy is not people, it is satan.
How do i love those who hate me?
These things i force myself to think upon.
1) Jesus died for that person. Am i to hate someone who Jesus loves?
2) i feel sorry for that person, not hate. satan has them bound, they are in bondage to him.
3) Whatever i think about that person i think about Christ. Whatsoever you do to the least of these, you do to me.
4) Love those that hate you
5) Jesus COMMANDED me to Love One Another.
When someone does me awefully wrong, i think on these above things. i hate no one. i hate satan and his demons, i love and hate no person, because the Spirit has taught me to remember those above things in that list.
Without satan, your Mom would have been the best Mom in the world.
Without satan, you foster Dad would have been the best Foster Dad in the world.
Know the True enemy, it is not people that you are suppose to Love.
Love that, a sad story turned Good.
Forgiving takes a lot of work
Does it matter what i think or what i believe? NOT in the slightest. But what does Scriptures teach concerning those who do not forgive or do not Love One Another? That!! believe, and not what people teach.
i have asked many times, to those who believe Once Saved Always Saved, questions that they DO NOT answer, because if they did, they would see the error of their thinking and would have to change what they believe to line up with Scriptures and because they are unwilling to change they merely do not answer the questions i present to them. Here is one below.
Mat_6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Mat_6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Tell me, if a person who is SAVED, and many years later that person is brutally raped, and that person even after many years after does not forgive that person for raping them, is that person still SAVED? How then can a person be Saved and NOT FORGIVEN? Can a person be Saved and at the same time NOT FORGIVEN? Can you answer these questions, those that believe OSAS?
What men teach is corruptible. What God teaches is TRUTH.
Anyone who does not forgive others, the Father in Heaven will NOT Forgive them, and it does not matter what they claim with their mouths, that they are Saved, washed by His Blood, under His Righteousness, that does not make void this inspired by God verse that plainly teaches if you do not forgive others, YOU will NOT be forgiven. PERIOD!!!
Scriptures also teaches this same thing about those who Hate others.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Know you not that satan had her? If it were not for satan, she would have loved you, and cared for you and would never have thought of kicking you out. We all would do well to know who the enemy is. The enemy was not your mother, but satan who had your mother in his grips.
So satan had his paws on your foster dad too. What do you hate your foster dad for what he did? Know you not that satan has got a hold of him, feeding him lies, and making him think about things that he should not be thinking about? Was your foster dad that enemy or was the True enemy satan who had him bound?
Does satan hate that which is good? Yes. If then you are good soul, he is going to hate you, yes? He is going to try to corrupt that goodness in you, by treating you terribly. Darkness will always attack the light. But in the end light will overcome all darkness. But not now, but only then.
You were unable to love them, because you failed to see who the TRUE enemy was. Your Mom, and your foster dad were not the enemy. satan who had them bound, was the enemy. If satan wasn't present with your Mom, she would have loved you dearly. If satan was not present with your foster dad, he would have loved you the right way and nourished you and not abused you. Therefore the enemy is not your Mom, or your foster Dad, but satan who controlled them. If people would have this knowledge they would not be so quick to hate the people instead of hating the one who has bound those people.
You hated your Mother for kicking you out at 14, how do you know if she didn't kick you out then she would have accidentally killed you the next year? Do you know?
Your Mom had some real problems, She was addicted to alcohol, verbally abusive, never did anything wrong, blamed you for many things, sinking into a pit that she knows will kill her, all the while satan whispering to her continually "Your life would get better if you kick her out?" satan knows also that if she does, that he would whisper to you "Your mother hates you, that is why she kicked you out" and you believe his lies, and therefore hate her. People, wake up, the enemy is not people, it is satan.
How do i love those who hate me?
These things i force myself to think upon.
1) Jesus died for that person. Am i to hate someone who Jesus loves?
2) i feel sorry for that person, not hate. satan has them bound, they are in bondage to him.
3) Whatever i think about that person i think about Christ. Whatsoever you do to the least of these, you do to me.
4) Love those that hate you
5) Jesus COMMANDED me to Love One Another.
When someone does me awefully wrong, i think on these above things. i hate no one. i hate satan and his demons, i love and hate no person, because the Spirit has taught me to remember those above things in that list.
Without satan, your Mom would have been the best Mom in the world.
Without satan, you foster Dad would have been the best Foster Dad in the world.
Know the True enemy, it is not people that you are suppose to Love.
Love that, a sad story turned Good.
Forgiving takes a lot of work
Does it matter what i think or what i believe? NOT in the slightest. But what does Scriptures teach concerning those who do not forgive or do not Love One Another? That!! believe, and not what people teach.
i have asked many times, to those who believe Once Saved Always Saved, questions that they DO NOT answer, because if they did, they would see the error of their thinking and would have to change what they believe to line up with Scriptures and because they are unwilling to change they merely do not answer the questions i present to them. Here is one below.
Mat_6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Mat_6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Tell me, if a person who is SAVED, and many years later that person is brutally raped, and that person even after many years after does not forgive that person for raping them, is that person still SAVED? How then can a person be Saved and NOT FORGIVEN? Can a person be Saved and at the same time NOT FORGIVEN? Can you answer these questions, those that believe OSAS?
What men teach is corruptible. What God teaches is TRUTH.
Anyone who does not forgive others, the Father in Heaven will NOT Forgive them, and it does not matter what they claim with their mouths, that they are Saved, washed by His Blood, under His Righteousness, that does not make void this inspired by God verse that plainly teaches if you do not forgive others, YOU will NOT be forgiven. PERIOD!!!
Scriptures also teaches this same thing about those who Hate others.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
...So from your answers to Bill, it has taught me that it is the evil one who is the enemy and I am to look at all those who are lost that it is the enemy and not the person...I am going to ponder this tonight as I close, there is a great lesson in your post, thank you ...xox...