it's hard to sneak in some biblical truth here
it's all one big personal grudge match
people do not seem able to understand that Christians can have a problem with sin and still be righteous in God's eyes BECAUSE they are in need of help...as per your post
they will argue that we are sinners and yet that is not scriptural
of course, there is always the Bible, but that does take some effort
To be honest it is difficult to comprehend.
The trouble is "What are we Christ?
Church teaching tells us that we are born sinners or in sin, which is true. The bible tells us so.
We cant be unborn from this state by our own means, we need to be reborn as such.
Thtats why Jesus had to come to earth.
To rebirth us through believe in him.
To me in the eyes of God a sinner is someone who has not received Christ yet someone who has received Christ is now a saint.
If a person is in Christ, God sees the righteousness of God and therefore a believers identity should be in Christ.
The problem is that as a saint(Christian) when we sin what is our focus?
A sinner. When we sin or struggle with an issue what do we think?
If I really loved God I wouldn't be doing this and if God really loved me why isn't he helping me?
Emotions take precedence over the reality.
When we allow emotions to run wild it ensnares us but when we allow the reality to run wild it releases us.
Releases us into freedom, the freedom we have in Jesus.
I had a severe gambling problem.
My default was "I am gambler and a sinner"
Someone said to me "Your a child of God with a gambling problem"
See the difference?
I did and when I did then God dealt with issues that caused me to gamble.
Was ensnared by gambling for 28 years and been free for the last 7 years. Not had an urge to gamble at all.
God is good, he is true and just to himself and us.
Jesus prayed "Father may they know you love them as much as you love me"
If we get this wow what a release.