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PJW

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See the thread.....it is the spirit that is born of incorruptible seed that does not sin.......
AMEN, and God has made it possible to be that "new creature".
That one with the divine nature, and in contact with the Holy One every minute of the day.
That one born of Godly seed and incapable of bearing evil fruit....by faith manifested on earth now.
 

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wwwwow. people cannot grasp the difference between justification and sanctification.
this is supposed to be a thread about justification, if i'm not mistaken?

God justifies freely by His grace. full stop! and glory to God!
AMEN, and by His grace He promises..."[FONT=&quot]There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)

Too bad some refuse to act like they have been "vindicated" from past sins.[/FONT]
 

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Yes.

So the ones Yah say Sanctifies themselves "following behind one in the center of a congregation)" or they listen to a man leading a copngregation rather than listen to Yah.

(H310 אַחַר 'achar - H259 אֶחָד 'echad - H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek, meaning following behind one in the centerof a congregation)

H310 אַחַר 'achar (ach-ar') adv., 1. (properly) the hind part., 2. (generally, as adverb or conjunction) after (in various senses)., [from H309]

H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj., 1. (properly) united, i.e. one., 2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]

H8432 תָּוֶךְ tavek (taw'-vek) n-m., 1. a bisection., 2. (by implication) the center.

The ones here do things the way Yah says, thus they are sanctified by Him, He said it not me.

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #H226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.
H I want to say what you have said above is all Greek to me but I can’t As most of it is Hebrew:cool:

Seriously though thanks for taking the time to repsond.

So Can I ask you the following?

So we have sanctifies.
Yah says sanctifies themselves and YHWH sanctifies them.
The one who walks in the way of Yah is therefore sanctified by him.

If we can sanctify ourselves how can God sanctify us. It’s us doing it and not God.
However If we are sanctified by God through faith in Jesus then he sanctifies us.

To me to sanctify is to grow in Jesus and to be sanctified is positional. Justified as a result of Jesus and therefore sanctified.
A permanent state before God as a result of Jesus who then through the Holy Spirit conforms us to the image of Jesus.

My simple non Greek non Hebrew thoughts.
 
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If a person takes pride in their military background then leave them be, whatever they did in that uniform was for their country. Because the Children of GOD are not to wage war but love their enemies... knowing Vengeance is not theirs.

We are to Love GOD with all our being and each other.. we wrestle not against flesh and blood.. we have our part in the Spiritual war through Faith in Christ as children of the Father of lights.

I do not know what makes people think they have a GOD given right to kill an enemy when we are taught to love them.. I know what example I will follow.

HAHAHAHHA the children of God are not to make war....wow....ok...take your bible....remove Joshua, 1st and 2nd Samuel, Kings and Chronicles, Ecclesiastes, many Psalms and the latter chapters of Revelation............David must have missed the memo when he thanked God for teaching his hands to war..........and the Roman soldier who had faith that Jesus had not seen in all Israel.............Solomon must have been mistaken when the Holy Spirit inspired him to say there is a time for war and a time for peace.....and for sure WW2 was not righteous when all of those believers fought like h--- to save Europe and England from the Nazis......geesh
 

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AMEN and because we believe this we do not believe in doing anything for God and we live like the "debil" Bobby Bouche......we just love to live in unrepentant sin, no service, lip service only, no works, no fruit...
Was that the confession called for in 1 John 1:9?
If you will continue in the light, which is God, you won't commit any more sins.
Praise be to the grace of God and the name of Jesus Christ.

Or was it just sarcasm?
 

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H I want to say what you have said above is all Greek to me but I can’t As most of it is Hebrew:cool:

Seriously though thanks for taking the time to repsond.

So Can I ask you the following?

So we have sanctifies.
Yah says sanctifies themselves and YHWH sanctifies them.
The one who walks in the way of Yah is therefore sanctified by him.

If we can sanctify ourselves how can God sanctify us. It’s us doing it and not God.
However If we are sanctified by God through faith in Jesus then he sanctifies us.

To me to sanctify is to grow in Jesus and to be sanctified is positional. Justified as a result of Jesus and therefore sanctified.
A permanent state before God as a result of Jesus who then through the Holy Spirit conforms us to the image of Jesus.

My simple non Greek non Hebrew thoughts.
Well the text said;

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am YHWH Who sanctifies them."

Following anything Yah says is being sanctified by Him, if it is obedience to what He says in doind something, believeing something or sitting back and allowing Him to do His will, anything that He did not command or teach or instruct or requires is self sanctification.

If He says by faith one is sanctified by Him, then they are sanctified, if He says don't be evil and one will be sanctified by Him, then they are sanctified.

If He says go to Jerusalem to be sanctified by me and the person goes to Chicago, they are not sanctified by Him but havechosen theor own path/sanctification.

It simply means to be holy, set apart for special use, sanctified, consecrated, etc. It is only acceptable if it is by His standard, or it's self sanctification.
 
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No Other Gospel

There is a lot of false teaching going as most of you can see already. Some are teaching a "sinless perfectionism" and some are teaching I must, "keep myself saved.", and some are saying we should live by OT Law. The Apostle Paul say's in these scripture verses, false teachers are, "trying to pervert the gospel of Christ", and that even if an "angel from heaven" should preach another gospel, "let them be under God's cure. Should not all of us take these words of Paul to heart and not let these misinformed people try to peddle their perverted gospel. It is disturbing to me to keep hearing their lie's day after day.

Galatians1:6-9
6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel
7) which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
9) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Amen..................tragic for sure......
 

PJW

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Our "obedience" is to Christ's Gospel. For which I am NOT ashamed, and are saved.
Praise be to God, and be assured that at the final judgement you won't hear "depart from me ye that work iniquity".

The Holy Spirit will reveal sins and behaviors that we should turn from. AND give power to enact that change, NOT only in the negative sense of abandoning sin, but in the positive sense of doing good works.
AMEN!

Your post is really quite slanderous. NO ONE has advocated sinning. We are saying that it is Chris't finished work, and His Grace extended to us, that will perfect us.
When people fight against perfect obedience to God, what do you suppose they ARE advocating?

With YOUR doctrine, what do you tell yourself when you do sin? Do you deceive yourself that you do not sin? This is truly a slap in the face to God and His PERFECT standard. Which is to NEVER sin.
First...I do not sin...thanks be to God.
Second...Was Paul slapping God when he wrote..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
Or..."Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Tim 2:19)
Was Peter slapping God when he wrote..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)
Or..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)

Before salvation, there wasn't much inner disgust or groaning in my life when I planned ways to sin, and carried them out. Now, when I commit a sin, I HATE it, BUT I don't let the devil get a foothold with guilt. I confess my sin, which means to agree with God that it was wrong, and accept the forgiveness He has provided to me through His Son.
You have, in effect, made Jesus your Savior, but not your Lord.

It is precisely THAT Grace that is effective in stopping a sinful activity, NOT TRYING MY HARDEST TO NEVER DO IT AGAIN!!
Why didn't THAT grace stop the sin you just mentioned in the last sentence?

THAT IS what will lead to despair if that sin happens again.
I can only hope that despair drives you to a real repentance from sin.

Please do not harden your heart to His incredible Grace, Love, and Mercy.
'You forgot to include..."and permission to keep sinning''.

God, in His mercy and grace, made it possible to kill the old man and be reborn of Godly seed that cannot bring forth evil fruit.
THAT is love.
 
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You don't think Jesus was good?
Or, that He wasn't the Word made flesh?

I believe both, and anyone with His power deserves to be obeyed.
Then on top of that He suffers in our place for our past sins!

How can you advocate salvation by faith, without proof of that faith?

How can you read through this thread and conclude what you conclude......in error I might add.......especially the last line.......do you fully understand why JESUS said....Why do you call me good, there is none good but GOD.....

Ponder that a while............
 

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HAHAHAHHA the children of God are not to make war....wow....ok...take your bible....remove Joshua, 1st and 2nd Samuel, Kings and Chronicles, Ecclesiastes, many Psalms and the latter chapters of Revelation............David must have missed the memo when he thanked God for teaching his hands to war..........and the Roman soldier who had faith that Jesus had not seen in all Israel.............Solomon must have been mistaken when the Holy Spirit inspired him to say there is a time for war and a time for peace.....and for sure WW2 was not righteous when all of those believers fought like h--- to save Europe and England from the Nazis......geesh

Whatever came to pass was in due season.. but how can you love even your enemies if you kill them? How can you live by the sword when you are told you will then die by it?

The end times won’t go down as Islam being defeated.. though it is part of the dragon that needs slaying.. let all things come to pass and be a follower of Christ and all that died at the hands of evil knowing the battle is won and GOD invites us into His Kingdom..

But you carry on laughing believing you are gonna be commended.. I have spoken freely and the judgement is not mine.. no.. I can only sound the alarm and hope many will not be partakers.. instead trusting and Faithful even if the nation you abide falls.. may you not partake but be Children of Peace... not a freedom fighter of the world.. it falls do not be found on the disobedient rebellion side.
 
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Point out the lie, or recant your accusation.
If there is one specific point you want to make, let's hash it out.
we can work from there.
Go back and read why I responded the way I did...maybe you can figure it out........
 

PJW

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As well I don't see the holy spirit here. No one has the characteristics of Jesus or even tries. Where's the fruit, guys? Its just venom. I hope I make you uncomfortable. What Jesus commanded and said would happen to those who don't follow those commands IS frightening. Am I lying? READ WHAT JESUS SAID.
Yes, He called the Pharisees liars and hypocrites. The children of hell.
Jesus wasn't a wimp.
And He was totally obedient to His Father.
 

BillG

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Was that the confession called for in 1 John 1:9?
If you will continue in the light, which is God, you won't commit any more sins.
Praise be to the grace of God and the name of Jesus Christ.

Or was it just sarcasm?
Hi PJW.

I am going to be honest here.
I just want you know that it is not to go at you.

You do come across as saying that you do not sin at all.
And anyone who does admit they do sin are servants of sin and that a God will not listen to them whilst they are still sinning.
So you do come accross as judgemental.

You have said above “If you will continue in the light, which is God, you won’t commit any more sins”

To me if you do not sin then based in what you are saying is that when you confess your sin before God given what what you have said in previous posts “If you sin God will not hear your prayer”

So at what point will God hear our prayer of confession? Because if we come to him to confess sin in the first instance by your logic he won’t listen.

Correct me if I am wrong but you say that you do not sin at all.

If this is the case rather than tell people they be sinless and if they are God won’t here them can you help those of use who acknowlede that we sin how to get over the first hurdle that if we confess our sin that God will not here our prayers.

Secondly what has helped you and how have you come to committing sins.

You responded to my post a few pages back and asked if I was promoting sin.

Just so you know that is something I would never ever do.
The grace of God is not an excuse to sin.

To me the grace of God covers sin but helps us to sin less and not being sinless.
That is where you and I disagree.


Yes we should aspire to be like Jesus who was sinless whilst at the same loving each other.

Can I also ask that you just don’t post bible verses but tell us of your experiences and the help of the Holy Spirit that now you walk sinless.

Bill
 
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Roman soldier who had faith that Jesus had not seen in all Israel.
Cornelius was also a soldier. he was considered devout man.

also u notice how when Jesus spoke to that soldier He never rebuked him for his job?

its just hippies taking over the churches.
 
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Whatever came to pass was in due season.. but how can you love even your enemies if you kill them? How can you live by the sword when you are told you will then die by it?

The end times won’t go down as Islam being defeated.. though it is part of the dragon that needs slaying.. let all things come to pass and be a follower of Christ and all that died at the hands of evil knowing the battle is won and GOD invites us into His Kingdom..

But you carry on laughing believing you are gonna be commended.. I have spoken freely and the judgement is not mine.. no.. I can only sound the alarm and hope many will not be partakers.. instead trusting and Faithful even if the nation you abide falls.. may you not partake but be Children of Peace... not a freedom fighter of the world.. it falls do not be found on the disobedient rebellion side.
You know...if you would quit assuming, embellishing, and applying/judging motive or intent you would be a whole lot better off..........serious....!
 

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And this is what happened at Pentecost. The problem with your interpretation is that you think His teachings are the law.

It is passing away...old and dusty. The new is in place and is the whole of Jesus given to us that we might walk as He walked.

What bible are you reading?
Hmmm...
That is kind of confusing.
Don't you think Jesus' teachings are part of the "[FONT=&quot]law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus"? (Rom 8:2)[/FONT]
 
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Whatever came to pass was in due season.. but how can you love even your enemies if you kill them? How can you live by the sword when you are told you will then die by it?

The end times won’t go down as Islam being defeated.. though it is part of the dragon that needs slaying.. let all things come to pass and be a follower of Christ and all that died at the hands of evil knowing the battle is won and GOD invites us into His Kingdom..

But you carry on laughing believing you are gonna be commended.. I have spoken freely and the judgement is not mine.. no.. I can only sound the alarm and hope many will not be partakers.. instead trusting and Faithful even if the nation you abide falls.. may you not partake but be Children of Peace... not a freedom fighter of the world.. it falls do not be found on the disobedient rebellion side.[/QUO

The only reason you have the freedom you have to day and not living under Nazism is because many young American Christian men came and died and killed evil men to save your country's behind.
 

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Cornelius was also a soldier. he was considered devout man.

also u notice how when Jesus spoke to that soldier He never rebuked him for his job?
Who did he rebuke? That is where you want to focus...
 
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Cornelius was also a soldier. he was considered devout man.

also u notice how when Jesus spoke to that soldier He never rebuked him for his job?

its just hippies taking over the churches.
AMEN......I agree.......a soldier can be saved and serve JESUS.....contrary to what some may think!