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Whatever came to pass was in due season.. but how can you love even your enemies if you kill them? How can you live by the sword when you are told you will then die by it?

The end times won’t go down as Islam being defeated.. though it is part of the dragon that needs slaying.. let all things come to pass and be a follower of Christ and all that died at the hands of evil knowing the battle is won and GOD invites us into His Kingdom..

But you carry on laughing believing you are gonna be commended.. I have spoken freely and the judgement is not mine.. no.. I can only sound the alarm and hope many will not be partakers.. instead trusting and Faithful even if the nation you abide falls.. may you not partake but be Children of Peace... not a freedom fighter of the world.. it falls do not be found on the disobedient rebellion side.[/QUO

The only reason you have the freedom you have to day and not living under Nazism is because many young American Christian men came and died and killed evil men to save your country's behind.

AMEN and I agree
 

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And if you you would take a sip of your own medicine you would be better off.. seriously...
 

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Whatever came to pass was in due season.. but how can you love even your enemies if you kill them? How can you live by the sword when you are told you will then die by it?

The end times won’t go down as Islam being defeated.. though it is part of the dragon that needs slaying.. let all things come to pass and be a follower of Christ and all that died at the hands of evil knowing the battle is won and GOD invites us into His Kingdom..

But you carry on laughing believing you are gonna be commended.. I have spoken freely and the judgement is not mine.. no.. I can only sound the alarm and hope many will not be partakers.. instead trusting and Faithful even if the nation you abide falls.. may you not partake but be Children of Peace... not a freedom fighter of the world.. it falls do not be found on the disobedient rebellion side.[/QUO

The only reason you have the freedom you have to day and not living under Nazism is because many young American Christian men came and died and killed evil men to save your country's behind.

The guilt trip is not going to work.. my own flesh and blood gave their life in battles of past.. but that does not mean I have to agree or commend.. true hardship indeed.

My Lord and Saviour who laid His life.. Him will I love, honour and obey.. and that means loving my enemies and not living by the sword... no it will mean laying my head on the block or whatever else before I kill rather than be killed.
 
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DC struggling to see why you have said Amen and I agree.
The last statement was by Ellsworth1943 and that is what I agree with....he said the following...

The only reason you have the freedom you have to day and not living under Nazism is because many young American Christian men came and died and killed evil men to save your country's behind.
 

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No Other Gospel

There is a lot of false teaching going as most of you can see already. Some are teaching a "sinless perfectionism" and some are teaching I must, "keep myself saved.", and some are saying we should live by OT Law. The Apostle Paul say's in these scripture verses, false teachers are, "trying to pervert the gospel of Christ", and that even if an "angel from heaven" should preach another gospel, "let them be under God's cure. Should not all of us take these words of Paul to heart and not let these misinformed people try to peddle their perverted gospel. It is disturbing to me to keep hearing their lie's day after day.

Galatians1:6-9
6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel
7) which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
9) As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Let's use a synonym of "sinless perfection"
How about "obedience to our Lord"?
Because if you don't obey Him, He is NOT your Lord.
 
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The guilt trip is not going to work.. my own flesh and blood gave their life in battles of past.. but that does not mean I have to agree or commend.. true hardship indeed.

My Lord and Saviour who laid His life.. Him will I love, honour and obey.. and that means loving my enemies and not living by the sword... no it will mean laying my head on the block or whatever else before I kill rather than be killed.
Bold and brash for sure...Peter, who walked on water said he would die for Christ also......and ended up denying him 3 times that very night before the Cock crowed......to say the bolded.....means nothing...........especially in light of Peter and his bold words before he denied the Lord.....!
 

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Bold and brash for sure...Peter, who walked on water said he would die for Christ also......and ended up denying him 3 times that very night before the Cock crowed......to say the bolded.....means nothing...........especially in light of Peter and his bold words before he denied the Lord.....!
GOD be my strength and refuge and may I die rather than deny! It would be better for GOD to take my last breath now than fear overcome and me try to pass whatever cup passed to me to drink.. to continue here and have no return to my Heavenly Father.
 

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Let us all state that no work can save a man.. and that we are to Repent and believe to be forgiven and Reconciled, born of the Holy Spirit all by Grace through Faith in Christ.. yes GOD made a way to Redeem us... we do not save ourselves.
AMEN!
But those on the track to salvation certainly won't "slap the Conductor".
 

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Bold and brash for sure...Peter, who walked on water said he would die for Christ also......and ended up denying him 3 times that very night before the Cock crowed......to say the bolded.....means nothing...........especially in light of Peter and his bold words before he denied the Lord.....!
lets not forget he did end up dying for Him

Foxes Book of Martyrs;

"Peter was condemned to death, and crucified, as some do write, at Rome; albeit some others, and not without cause, do doubt thereof. Hegesippus saith that Nero sought matter against Peter to put him to death; which, when the people perceived, they entreated Peter with much ado that he would fly the city. Peter, through their importunity at length persuaded, prepared himself to avoid. But, coming to the gate, he saw the Lord Christ come to meet him, to whom he, worshipping, said, "Lord, whither dost Thou go?" To whom He answered and said, "I am come again to be crucified." By this, Peter, perceiving his suffering to be understood, returned into the city. Jerome saith that he was crucified, his head being down and his feet upward, himself so requiring, because he was (he said) unworthy to be crucified after the same form and manner as the Lord was. "

This should be a reminder in this context that we nevr know someones future in Yah... Only He knows.
 
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GOD be my strength and refuge and may I die rather than deny! It would be better for GOD to take my last breath now than fear overcome and me try to pass whatever cup passed to me to drink.. to continue here and have no return to my Heavenly Father.
SEE...here is why you really have no hope at the end of the day......rest in the eternal security in Christ and come out from under the bondage of fear...JESUS PROMISES to never leave you or forsake YOU...HE saves to the uttermost, promises to finish the work of faith that he began and gives ETERNAL LIFE unto ALL who believe into his saving faith..............I may fail the Lord a thousand times a thousand yet his grace out bounds my sin and failure and I have been saved sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ positionally for ever........Hebrews is clear...to enter into his rest we must cease from our own labor.
 

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The last statement was by Ellsworth1943 and that is what I agree with....he said the following...

The only reason you have the freedom you have to day and not living under Nazism is because many young American Christian men came and died and killed evil men to save your country's behind.
Look at the response above your post here.

The guilt trip is not going to work.. my own flesh and blood gave their life in battles of past.. but that does not mean I have to agree or commend.. true hardship indeed.

My Lord and Saviour who laid His life.. Him will I love, honour and obey.. and that means loving my enemies and not living by the sword... no it will mean laying my head on the block or whatever else before I kill rather than be killed.
Thanks for willing to lay your head on the block for us limeys.
Willing to die to free us from the tyrany of an ethnic cleanser.
The same goes for our boys over here as well.
 

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SEE...here is why you really have no hope at the end of the day......rest in the eternal security in Christ and come out from under the bondage of fear...JESUS PROMISES to never leave you or forsake YOU...HE saves to the uttermost, promises to finish the work of faith that he began and gives ETERNAL LIFE unto ALL who believe into his saving faith..............I may fail the Lord a thousand times a thousand yet his grace out bounds my sin and failure and I have been saved sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ positionally for ever........Hebrews is clear...to enter into his rest we must cease from our own labor.
Telling one they are wrong is one thing, but dont sit as judge...how can you say "you have no hope" to that person, you know not their future only Yah doees.

Romans 8:33, "Who shall bring any charge against Yah's chosen ones? It is Yah who justifies!"


2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
1 Corinthians 4:4-5, “For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is יהוה! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from יהוה.”
 

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How can you read through this thread and conclude what you conclude......in error I might add.......especially the last line.......do you fully understand why JESUS said....Why do you call me good, there is none good but GOD.....

Ponder that a while............
It is your use of Jesus' words to conclude that nobody is good that I address.
Jesus was good, and all those baptized into Him are good too.
 
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lets not forget he did end up dying for Him

Foxes Book of Martyrs;

"Peter was condemned to death, and crucified, as some do write, at Rome; albeit some others, and not without cause, do doubt thereof. Hegesippus saith that Nero sought matter against Peter to put him to death; which, when the people perceived, they entreated Peter with much ado that he would fly the city. Peter, through their importunity at length persuaded, prepared himself to avoid. But, coming to the gate, he saw the Lord Christ come to meet him, to whom he, worshipping, said, "Lord, whither dost Thou go?" To whom He answered and said, "I am come again to be crucified." By this, Peter, perceiving his suffering to be understood, returned into the city. Jerome saith that he was crucified, his head being down and his feet upward, himself so requiring, because he was (he said) unworthy to be crucified after the same form and manner as the Lord was. "

This should be a reminder in this context that we nevr know someones future in Yah... Only He knows.
Did not say he didn't.......but the very night he spoke out so boldly he flat denied the Lord....NO ONE can honestly say what they would do or not do if put to the knife for what we believe....we can all hope we would stand firm and die with dignity and faith, yet at the end of the day only by God's grace and strength could we so willingly lay down our life in that particular moment!
 

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Did not say he didn't.......but the very night he spoke out so boldly he flat denied the Lord....NO ONE can honestly say what they would do or not do if put to the knife for what we believe....we can all hope we would stand firm and die with dignity and faith, yet at the end of the day only by God's grace and strength could we so willingly lay down our life in that particular moment!
I agree fully.
 
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It is your use of Jesus' words to conclude that nobody is good that I address.
Jesus was good, and all those baptized into Him are good too.
Take it up with JESUS and explain WHY he said what he said.......He stated clearly that NO one was GOOD except GOD.....I believe he said it for two reasons....

a. He came in the likeness of sinful flesh
b. He came to be sin for us and was cursed (hung on a tree) for our justification
 

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Go back and read why I responded the way I did...maybe you can figure it out........
You are the accuser, so prove the "lie".
Better yet...let's forget the whole thing and start over.

Hi, Dc.
How are you doing?

Good thread, so far, with many on both sides, (yes or no on life without sin), offering scripture and conclusions.
The primary thing I keep in mind is that salvation won't be assured till after the final judgement, so I/we must all remain true to God till the end.
 

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SEE...here is why you really have no hope at the end of the day......rest in the eternal security in Christ and come out from under the bondage of fear...JESUS PROMISES to never leave you or forsake YOU...HE saves to the uttermost, promises to finish the work of faith that he began and gives ETERNAL LIFE unto ALL who believe into his saving faith..............I may fail the Lord a thousand times a thousand yet his grace out bounds my sin and failure and I have been saved sealed, justified and sanctified in Christ positionally for ever........Hebrew is clear...to enter into his rest we must cease from our own labor.

Do you think those persecuted for their Faith had no hope?

They knew He never would forsake but yet they suffered and were killed for their Faith in Him.. now you can promote failing but if I’m not willing to die for my Faith I’m not worthy of my Lord... and I’m sure many believers throughout the years felt it an honour to die for Him rather than kill to live..

You are not home dry yet dc.. run your race obtain your prize.. Keep the Faith.. but make sure you have the Faith of a saint.. yes.. because the I have, nothing can take from me attitude may please some.. but my Lord be clear that He can blot out and not count us worthy to walk with Him in white.. yes.. To believers those words were sent... take heed.