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Telling one they are wrong is one thing, but dont sit as judge...how can you say "you have no hope" to that person, you know not their future only Yah doees.

Romans 8:33, "Who shall bring any charge against Yah's chosen ones? It is Yah who justifies!"


2 Corinthians 5:10, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Messiah, that each one may receive his reward according to what he has done in the body, whether righteous or evil.”
1 Corinthians 4:4-5, “For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is יהוה! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from יהוה.”
Re-read and pay particular attention to the fear and lack of hope in the last line and understand fully what I said....serious!
 
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Do you think those persecuted for their Faith had no hope?

They knew He never would forsake but yet they suffered and were killed for their Faith in Him.. now you can promote failing but if I’m not willing to die for my Faith I’m not worthy of my Lord... and I’m sure many believers throughout the years felt it an honour to die for Him rather than kill to live..

You are not home dry yet dc.. run your race obtain your prize.. Keep the Faith.. but make sure you have the Faith of a saint.. yes.. because the I have nothing can take from me attitude may please some.. but my Lord be clear that He can blot out and not count us worthy to walk with Him in white.. yes.. To believers those words were sent... take heed.
This is where you miss the mark.....I am already in Christ....I do not need to labor for that which I have already been given freely and by grace through faith......
 

Hizikyah

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Re-read and pay particular attention to the fear and lack of hope in the last line and understand fully what I said....serious!
Hope is a future thang, you cant say someone has no hope, we don't know their future, the person you are talking to seeks the Messiah,there are those who don't even seek the Messiah and are living a terrible life right now that will come to know Him, these people while they seemingly have no hope, they actually do because Yah will call them and they will respond... We cant say... you just said in your last post to me.... hope... only He knows.
 

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This is where you miss the mark.....I am already in Christ....I do not need to labor for that which I have already been given freely and by grace through faith......

Sure.. you are special and know better than the Lord Himself.. I think not.

That mindset is not born of the Holy Spirit.

If the Lord Himself states He can blot out names and count believers unworthy to walk in White with Him then take heed.. no other authority is there!
 

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Let's use a synonym of "sinless perfection"
How about "obedience to our Lord"?
Because if you don't obey Him, He is NOT your Lord.
Do you mean “Let’s not a synonym of sinless perfection?
 
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You are the accuser, so prove the "lie".
Better yet...let's forget the whole thing and start over.

Hi, Dc.
How are you doing?

Good thread, so far, with many on both sides, (yes or no on life without sin), offering scripture and conclusions.
The primary thing I keep in mind is that salvation won't be assured till after the final judgement, so I/we must all remain true to God till the end.
And I would say...salvation is already secure in Christ based upon the following....

A. Saved by grace through faith as a GIFT that cannot be earned
B. Saved to the uttermost by his power through faith
C. Sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise UNTIL the day of redemption
D. Justified by his BLOOD through faith
E. Sanctified eternally and positionally
F. In HIS hand
G. In the Father's hand
H. He promises to NEVER leave us or forsake us
I. We have been given ETERNAL life in Christ not temporary
J. His grace OUTBOUNDS our sin when we fail
K. HE promises to FINISH and COMPLETE the work of faith that he began in US
L. The spirit has been born again by INCORRUPTABLE SEED and beyond corruption
M. We are dealt with as SONS and whipped for disobedience and not CAST AWAY
N. The prodigal was a son through the whole process and still received
O. The Corinthian brother was cut loose for the destruction of the flesh yet still saved
P. Believers can have works of wood, hay and stubble yet still be saved so as through the fire

etc........
 

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Hope is a future thang, you cant say someone has no hope, we don't know their future, the person you are talking to seeks the Messiah,there are those who don't even seek the Messiah and are living a terrible life right now that will come to know Him, these people while they seemingly have no hope, they actually do because Yah will call them and they will respond... We cant say... you just said in your last post to me.... hope... only He knows.
All is well HizikYah.. it was not dc who died for me or even came in the hour of need.. no my hopes secured on Christ who appeared to save and lead me home... let Christ be exalted and we all fall.. but Hope.. it is not given or taken by dc..
 
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Sure.. you are special and know better than the Lord Himself.. I think not.

That mindset is not born of the Holy Spirit.

If the Lord Himself states He can blot out names and count believers unworthy to walk in White with Him then take heed.. no other authority is there!
See, nothing but vitriol and mouthy accusations......and try again....the only ones blotted out failed to exercise faith into Christ.........as evident by the verbiage used.
 
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Hope is a future thang, you cant say someone has no hope, we don't know their future, the person you are talking to seeks the Messiah,there are those who don't even seek the Messiah and are living a terrible life right now that will come to know Him, these people while they seemingly have no hope, they actually do because Yah will call them and they will respond... We cant say... you just said in your last post to me.... hope... only He knows.
I suggest you study HOPE....it is a confident expectation of something guaranteed...not the hope like when one buys a lottery ticket which many seem to have when it comes to JESUS and salvation.
 

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See, nothing but vitriol and mouthy accusations......and try again....the only ones blotted out failed to exercise faith into Christ.........as evident by the verbiage used.
Same ole.. let us dismiss with words like vitriol and verbiage..

Revelation 3


[FONT=&quot]3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Let us believe the Lord always.[/FONT]
 

Hizikyah

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I suggest you study HOPE....it is a confident expectation of something guaranteed...not the hope like when one buys a lottery ticket which many seem to have when it comes to JESUS and salvation.
YesI know what hope is, your missing my point, the person who seems lost that will eventually come to Yah has hope even if it looks like there is none. Only Yah knows. To say one that seeks the Messiah has no hope is folly, you dont know who does or does not.
 

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Hebrews 10

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10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised.
24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



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I don’t doubt because the belief and desire to do good through Faith in Christ and the love is shining..
We are called to be Fruit Inspectors. The Fruit I see PJW producing is Strife, Dissentions, and Factions, in fact it appears to me he loves it. In fact, I do not even sense of a kindred spirit with him, whereas with a lot of others claiming to be Christian, I do feel that kindred spirit. He even verbally spits on Veterans for the Service to their Country, the opposite of being Christ-like.

Matthew 8:5-10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]5[/SUP] When he entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, pleading with him,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, in terrible agony."
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He said to him, "Am I to come and heal him?"

[SUP]8[/SUP] "Lord," the centurion replied, "I am not worthy to have you come under my roof.
But just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For I too am a man under authority, having soldiers under my command.
I say to this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes;
and to my servant, 'Do this!?' and he does it."
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hearing this, Jesus was amazed and said to those following him,
"
Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with so great a faith.




Matthew 7:15-20 (CSBBible)
[SUP]15[/SUP] "Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing {acting like Christians} but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You'll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree can't produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that doesn't produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you'll recognize them by their fruit.


Galatians 5:18-21 (CSBBible)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19[/SUP]
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I am warning you about these things — as I warned you before — that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Acts 20:29-31 (CSBBible)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears.


2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (ESV)

[SUP]13[/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.


Your love and acceptance towards everyone attitude reminds me of this warning from Paul:


Galatians 1:6-10 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
[SUP]7 [/SUP] not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. {You do not welcome him, and do not treat him as a brother, and do not listen to him.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.


2 John 1:7-11 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
[SUP]11 [/SUP] for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.


Your theory, does not hold much water Biblically.
 

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And I would say...salvation is already secure in Christ based upon the following....

A. Saved by grace through faith as a GIFT that cannot be earned
B. Saved to the uttermost by his power through faith
C. Sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise UNTIL the day of redemption
D. Justified by his BLOOD through faith
E. Sanctified eternally and positionally
F. In HIS hand
G. In the Father's hand
H. He promises to NEVER leave us or forsake us
I. We have been given ETERNAL life in Christ not temporary
J. His grace OUTBOUNDS our sin when we fail
K. HE promises to FINISH and COMPLETE the work of faith that he began in US
L. The spirit has been born again by INCORRUPTABLE SEED and beyond corruption
M. We are dealt with as SONS and whipped for disobedience and not CAST AWAY
N. The prodigal was a son through the whole process and still received
O. The Corinthian brother was cut loose for the destruction of the flesh yet still saved
P. Believers can have works of wood, hay and stubble yet still be saved so as through the fire

etc........
Sounds true for a man of genuine faith but still is not sure if he is still a sinner or not because he's afraid to be found a liar and a hypocrite. Just a YES or NO is all it takes and beyond that is from the devil. MAN UP!!!

Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
 

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Hi PJW.
I am going to be honest here.
I just want you know that it is not to go at you.
You do come across as saying that you do not sin at all.
And anyone who does admit they do sin are servants of sin and that a God will not listen to them whilst they are still sinning.
So you do come across as judgemental.
Thanks be to God, I am saying I have "ceased from sin".
If anyone feels "judged", it is because they feel the point they are in right now is not acceptable to God.
Otherwise they would just ignore me and be content in whatever state they are in.
I am glad that folks rise up to "differ" with me, as it gives me time to try convincing them that they too can be made "new creatures".

You have said above “If you will continue in the light, which is God, you won’t commit any more sins”
To me if you do not sin then based in what you are saying is that when you confess your sin before God given that what you have said in previous posts “If you sin God will not hear your prayer”
Verse 5 of 1 John says that "God is light", and we all know there is no sin in God.
When I write that we can walk in the light, I mean we can walk in God...and there is no sin in "here".
In the light we can remain non-sinners, and our prayers will be heard.
If you are still walking in darkness, (sin, Pro 4:19), you will not be heard.
You've got to get in the light first.

So at what point will God hear our prayer of confession? Because if we come to him to confess sin in the first instance by your logic he won’t listen.
He will hear when you have forsaken sin forever, with a real "turn from", repentance of sin.

Correct me if I am wrong but you say that you do not sin at all.
I don't only say it, but I rejoice in it.

If this is the case rather than tell people they be sinners and if they are God won’t here them, can you help those of us who acknowledge that we sin how to get over the first hurdle that if we confess our sin that God will not here our prayers.
Hurdle may be a bit much, but first "steps" must be made,,,
I use acts 2:38 from Peter's words for the sequence, or template, to life without sin.
Turn from sin, (forever, knowing that others have already done so and are nearby to help you), then get "immersed" into Christ and His death by being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your past sins.
Roans 6 shows what else happens at that "immersion" besides remission of past sins; our crucifixion, burial, and resurrection with and in Christ.
Do these things and you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Secondly what has helped you and how have you come to committing sins.
The Holy Ghost inside me is the Comforter/Helper Christ said we could ask for, in Luke 11;13.
That and the "mind of Christ". (1 Cor 2:16)
We can count on Him to make it clear what we can and can't do.
Fellowship is also essential, along with prayer and study so we may grow in grace and knowledge.

You responded to my post a few pages back and asked if I was promoting sin.
Just so you know that is something I would never ever do.
The grace of God is not an excuse to sin.
It just seems that when men reject the ways of God, they are advocating for something counter to God's ways.
Water under the bridge.
Let's proceed from this point.

To me the grace of God covers sin but helps us to sin less and not being sinless.
That is where you and I disagree.
The favor of God will indeed cover "past sins, in baptism for their remission. But further sin shows that the initial repentance was a lie, and you can't have a relationship with God that is based on a lie.
By the grace of God, we are protected from any temptation we can't handle, as per 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

Yes we should aspire to be like Jesus who was sinless whilst at the same loving each other.
Can I also ask that you just don’t post bible verses but tell us of your experiences and the help of the Holy Spirit that now you walk sinles. Bill
Without the bible verses, I am just a voice in the wind.
I need them to verify the truth I dispense.
I could fill a book with do's and don't's, but my main temptations were dealt with by my separation from those I once partied with.
They didn't want to discuss faith, purity, sobriety and love; and I didn't want to get black-out drunk anymore.
There was a parting of the ways.
I now avoid the things that once easily snared me; drug users, "meet" markets, porn sites, etc.
I took to visiting "churches" in search for others who would desire life in Christ...with all it entails.
I started volunteering my time to a food bank...twelve years now: and I suddenly got charitable.
Much more too, as every choice has consequences and must be evaluated BEFORE acting on them.

I thank you for your change of heart in these regards.
 

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We are called to be Fruit Inspectors. The Fruit I see PJW producing is Strife, Dissentions, and Factions, in fact it appears to me he loves it. In fact, I do not even sense of a kindred spirit with him, whereas with a lot of others claiming to be Christian, I do feel that kindred spirit. He even verbally spits on Veterans for the Service to their Country, the opposite of being Christ-like.

Matthew 8:5-10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]5[/SUP] When he entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, pleading with him,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, in terrible agony."
[SUP]7 [/SUP]He said to him, "Am I to come and heal him?"

[SUP]8[/SUP] "Lord," the centurion replied, "I am not worthy to have you come under my roof.
But just say the word, and my servant will be healed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For I too am a man under authority, having soldiers under my command.
I say to this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes;
and to my servant, 'Do this!?' and he does it."
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Hearing this, Jesus was amazed and said to those following him,
"
Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with so great a faith.




Matthew 7:15-20 (CSBBible)
[SUP]15[/SUP] "Be on your guard against false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing {acting like Christians} but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] You'll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a bad tree produces bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree can't produce bad fruit; neither can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree that doesn't produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you'll recognize them by their fruit.


Galatians 5:18-21 (CSBBible)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19[/SUP]
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I am warning you about these things — as I warned you before — that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.


Acts 20:29-31 (CSBBible)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears.


2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (ESV)

[SUP]13[/SUP] For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.


Your love and acceptance towards everyone attitude reminds me of this warning from Paul:


Galatians 1:6-10 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
[SUP]7 [/SUP] not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. {You do not welcome him, and do not treat him as a brother, and do not listen to him.}
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.


2 John 1:7-11 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting,
[SUP]11 [/SUP] for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.


Your theory, does not hold much water Biblically.

What charge do you have against him? That he bows not to veterans? Because the rest you state can be said of any and all... does not make it True.
 
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Same ole.. let us dismiss with words like vitriol and verbiage..

Revelation 3


3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Let us believe the Lord always.
Yep....and what is it exactly that has allowed us to overcome....John was clear....see if you can figure it out!

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE<---A HINT
 
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YesI know what hope is, your missing my point, the person who seems lost that will eventually come to Yah has hope even if it looks like there is none. Only Yah knows. To say one that seeks the Messiah has no hope is folly, you dont know who does or does not.
Sure...read the last thing said in the post in question...there is NO HOPE in that at all...regardless of your ability to admit it or not.....
 
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Sounds true for a man of genuine faith but still is not sure if he is still a sinner or not because he's afraid to be found a liar and a hypocrite. Just a YES or NO is all it takes and beyond that is from the devil. MAN UP!!!

Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
I have answered at least three times....not my fault you are too dense to grasp it.......WISE UP......
 

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Yep....and what is it exactly that has allowed us to overcome....John was clear....see if you can figure it out!

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE<---A HINT

Hold up.. so those being spoken to never believed?

Because it is written I have not found your works perfect before GOD.. John was clear as is the Lord confuse not the two as if you have solved a riddle..

Now why not say because you have not believed on me? Clearly they had believed and were now being warned..

If the one off nothing we do was so then why write these things for we believers to take heed?

Because the Lord’s Testament instruct much of us.. yes our Faith is to worketh by love.. Love GOD with all our being and each other..