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joefizz

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Your post manifests the truth of..."No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. (Matthew 6:24)
I pray in Jesus' name that all will hate the one they now serve with their sins.
Well guess what I despise satan and I'm sure he's gonna be steamed with me Again for standing against his children that mock Jesus,I fear only God,satan can get over himself I have made my "absolute choice" to serve God and have the holy spirit guide me if you can't "handle that" then cry to satan for better lies and try again,or just stay with him.
 

TruthTalk

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I hope people have reported PJ. His attacks have been horrible in the past But this latest attack is just over the top. And his refusal to even repent (not that I expected it anyway, because he has yet to repent of anything, even when he has been proven, as this time, to be in error.

It amazes me even more, that even if he does not get banned. People keep responding to him.
Notice that all of his words are sugar coated, but underneath his smooth talking veneer he is a spiteful unrepentant person. Thank you E-grateful for pointing out this truth, Now I am happy to see that more and more people are beginning to see who he really is.

"It amazes me even more, that even if he does not get banned. People keep responding to him."

It amazes me too.....
God bless
 
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Magenta

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Is it just the JWs, Mormons, and Catholics that have horrendous beliefs?

These 3 religions are the most often bashed by Protestants for their false beliefs…But are they any more apostate than the common beliefs of the everyday evangelical church denominations? that teach 1) that Jesus became sin,
2 Corinthians 5:21New King James Version (NKJV)

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For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us,
that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

2) He took your place on the cross,
Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.


In other words if these concepts are examined closely they are just as hideous and unbiblical as the Mormon beliefs.
How wrong can one person be? Entirely, apparently.
 
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joefizz

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Do you expect a servant of sin to admit it?
I admitted it once, and God sent a man to show me I can live without sin.
I am grateful for His compassion and grace...not to mention the power He imbued we with.
So a servant of God is to hide from his master forever,smart!?
 
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Sigh.... People are so delusional to think they are living sinless lives. Do I need to bring up the truth that knowing to do good and not doing it is a sin?

Yeah.
 
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I hope people have reported PJ. His attacks have been horrible in the past But this latest attack is just over the top. And his refusal to even repent (not that I expected it anyway, because he has yet to repent of anything, even when he has been proven, as this time, to be in error.

It amazes me even more, that even if he does not get banned. People keep responding to him.

He's blasphemed Christ's cross, righteousness, security of his salvation given to his people at least once. Well, more than once on here, but obviously not even once is enough.
 
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joefizz

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Sigh.... People are so delusional to think they are living sinless lives. Do I need to bring up the truth that knowing to do good and not doing it is a sin?

Yeah.
Well I have no objections.
 

loveme1

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Come on loveme...get what we all are saying.
Peter shared something he felt needed to be known.. many here are making a mountain out of a mole hill because it is not someone they agree with.. if the shoe was on the other foot many would play it down..

All I hope for is peace and forgiveness.. for all concerned.

The problem is that when you tread on people and act brutish they will want to come back and expose you.

Does Peter deserve the onslaught? I think not.

Peter shared links and why any are calling for a ban I know not.. peace between Peter and DC .. I hope so.
 
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Well done PeterJens for exposing the devil in some people here. And all those that stick up for it, well they are like ravenous wolves. Look at how they circle you and take this as their 'evidence' to attack you and try and get you banned. I wonder when the mods will realise this 'brood' of people, that I've seen circle various people, are the problem to this whole site. I've observed one of them upset a young female member who just joined, by attacking with their presumptions, and reducing them to tears. And again very recently, placing really negative views for a new member. And that's ok is it? Mods?

And they all LIVE on this thread. I don't know why that is. This is the most toxic thread that exists on this site, started by the person who keeps it going, together with all the people who come along and enjoy having someone to sink their teeth into. I think this is the bitter thread, if you are a bitter person, with your pains, your anger, things that you have experienced and not accepted, come here. There is bound to be someone you can DEFILE.

When I joined, this is the first thing I really noticed, this thread, and I've called out people multiple times for defiling others. It is as if because they are a group of supporters, they feel they have an immunity to everything.

I hope you don't get banned personally. You have a lot of good things to share, and defilers love trying to defile you.

They don't exactly act like lambs about it do they? When you say what you have to say about them, it is in honesty, albeit blunt. When they react, it is often moronic, like many of the responses I have seen here, playing victim, or making you out to be such a horrible person. Exaggerating things, as if they are children, who never grew up. They never grew up because they dealt with the bad things in their life, in the wrong way. They failed, they failed themselves, and they need to find someone to scapegoat that failure on.

And there are a lot of these angry people on this site, who act as if they are smart, knowledgeable, know everything, and have the best advice. I've seen them give pretty poor advice to new members, extremely negative. But most often, like bullies, are more likely to be that way if the rest of the group is doing it. Get such a person by themselves face to face, they are usually pathetic and weak.

Just like someone who might have an avatar of pointing their middle finger at you. That is what that person is saying to Jesus in their personal and hidden rage, that comes out as something more destructive, and yet subtly put in a way that does not seem so, and especially LOOKS as if it is not, if they have enough people around them to support their view against one persons views and opinions. Everyone is entitled to their views and opinions, but in their world, no, things are THEIR (as a collective) way.

If I was in charge of this site I would send them all a warning on their attitude, and if they persisted, ban them. I think people should be entitled to warnings here, but I doubt that is the case. And so the devil gets stronger.

I would also close down this toxic thread.
 

Rosemaryx

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Peter shared something he felt needed to be known.. many here are making a mountain out of a mole hill because it is not someone they agree with.. if the shoe was on the other foot many would play it down..

All I hope for is peace and forgiveness.. for all concerned.

The problem is that when you tread on people and act brutish they will want to come back and expose you.

Does Peter deserve the onslaught? I think not.

Peter shared links and why any are calling for a ban I know not.. peace between Peter and DC .. I hope so.
Hi loveme1...Yes I agree, I hope and pray the Peter and DCon get some peace out of this, but you can not expect people not to state their view...I understand well that some may like to add to the pot, but I found it very hard not to address Peter on here about it because I believe it was wrong, maybe I should of PM Peter now I think about it, I never posted my comment with in mind for all to see, I just saw Peter...What I found so wrong was that it was all done when DCon was not here to defend himself, I have no more to say on the matter, all else that puts me in the same boat as PJ, talking behind ones back...xox...
 
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'Come on loveme... get what WE all are saying'

It's kind of like saying, come join the darkside loveme1. Don't be loving, don't give a peaceful loving perspective.

Well done for saying something in the opposite direction. However much they don't like it, and want you to be corrupted like them. Don't go down that route, be strong, in Jesus' name.

Peter shared something he felt needed to be known.. many here are making a mountain out of a mole hill because it is not someone they agree with.. if the shoe was on the other foot many would play it down..

All I hope for is peace and forgiveness.. for all concerned.

The problem is that when you tread on people and act brutish they will want to come back and expose you.

Does Peter deserve the onslaught? I think not.

Peter shared links and why any are calling for a ban I know not.. peace between Peter and DC .. I hope so.
 

TruthTalk

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Originally Posted by willybob

Is it just the JWs, Mormons, and Catholics that have horrendous beliefs?

These 3 religions are the most often bashed by Protestants for their false beliefs…But are they any more apostate than the common beliefs of the everyday evangelical church denominations? that teach 1) that Jesus became sin,

2 Corinthians 5:21New King James Version (NKJV)

21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us,
that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

2)
He took your place on the cross,


Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.


In other words if these concepts are examined closely they are just as hideous and unbiblical as the Mormon beliefs.

How wrong can one person be? Entirely, apparently.



  • God bless you Magenta, rightly dividing the word of truth, again, and again, and again, and again, again, and again, and again, and again, again, and again, and again, and again.........:)

 
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BillG

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joefizz - I think you are mistaken.

I have not judged dc, I have just brought to light some statements.
I have not said they are right or wrong, just representative of certain groups.

Bringing things into the light, it is up to people to decide what they then want
to do. I have no problem with sinners being sinners, they take their fate into their
own hands. I will just proclaim the saving knowledge of Jesus and the cross.

I do have a problem with people claiming spiritual authority, disowning my faith,
condemning me to hell and actually coming from a different background than the
one they appear to be.

Believe it or not, when I gave my life to Christ, I gave my life to Christ.
And I will not throw the Lord away or His testimony. So it matters deeply, more
than the blood that flows through my veins.

If you said to me recant or die, I would laugh, for greater is my King than any man
on earth, and in His hands I live or die.

It is why when Jesus was told by Pilate he had the power of life and death over him,
He replied, that the Father had given Pilate this authority, so Pilate was wrong, and
Jesus was submitting to the situation and its eternal significance. So likewise we are
called to walk this road.

A friend of some muslims who was witnessing to them was stopped in a car, and asked
whether any non-muslims were present. Rather than lie, because he did not fear death,
he spoke up, and was killed. Such is the way of the Lord and our love of Him. Amen.
Hi PJ,

I hope you know me well enough that when I engage I do so because I want.
Disucss differences, try to understand where the other person is coming from, understand if I am missing something and also if I am wrong.

I do have to say though given what I have read in the first two paragraphs that actually you do come accross as being judgmental.

You say “I have not judged dc, just bought to light some statements and not saying they are right or wrong”
Then you say “bringing things into the light, it is up to them to decide what they want to do”

Then you say “I have no problems with sinners being sinners, they take their fate in their own their own hands”

So it does come accross saying I brought something to light, bringing things into the light and I have no problems with people sinners being sinners.

I don’t think that was your intention.
However if it is I think the we deal with it according to scripture.

We go to our brother first, talk with them our concerns.
If we are convinced that they are living a life contrary to the faith then we bring it into the light.

I do totally agree with you and understand your issues about people condemning you to hell because of how your faith in our saviour and Jesus in you leads you.

I myself get upset with that when they tell me I am going to hell because doctrinally we may disagree.

I love Jesus and beleive in his claims, and made him Lord of my life.
I know you have as well. I know your heart for God and for people.
I have received it from you. For that I am truly thankful.

All of us here need to ensure we don’t react out of hurt and pain.
All of us here need to be very very careful not condemn each other to hell because we have doctrinal differences.
Alas we do have them but the truth is If a fellow believer has

Romans 10:9-11
9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. 11 As the Scriptures tell us, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.”

Then none of us can judge.

It may seem that I have come against but I haven’t. I am just trying to say how you may have come across.

I consider you a brother in Christ.
I know your heart for people and your love for people.
You have shown it to me via PM.

I think also and I say it to everyone that we need to focus on where we are at and where we want to be in Jesus.
If we do so then maybe we will walk with other accordingly.

God bless you brother.

Bill
 

PJW

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uh huh so when it is written that satan is the father of lies and this world that is just an error,
Not at all.
It is written..."[FONT=&quot]In whom the god [/FONT]of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Cor 4:4)
Our God is not of "this world", and neither are we to be.
It is written..."[FONT=&quot]For ye are dead, and your life is [/FONT]hid with Christ in God." (Col 3:3)
What resides in my skin is Christ.
It is written..."[FONT=&quot]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)[/FONT]

yet freedom is here,as I recall our "freedom" ascended into heaven and is coming back and all those who serve him "honestly" and "faithfully" shall be free from not only sin,but death,and the second death.
Are you "free"?
While you are still a servant of sin, (John 8:34), you will not be "free".
Freedom is available to you, but you will need to crucify the flesh, with the affections and lusts". (Gal 5:24)
That crucifixion happens at baptism. (Rom 6:3-6)
Freedom follows. (Rom 6:7)
 

PJW

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considering you "amazing grace" is rather about you and accusing others no thanks I'll walk with the "only true God" and "trust in Jesus" and "let" the holy spirit guide me and not my own knowledge as you have clearly demonstrated you follow your "own" knowledge,rather then "actual wisdom".
Has "actual wisdom" allowed you to live without sin?
 
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This is according to you. Who do you speak for, yourself, or a collective? I think a collective that will get response and support around it.

Maybe say something that is honest and decent for a change. I have got through to you before if my memory serves me right, and you admitted you are someone with anger in them.

You don't have to let anger come out in the words you say, because they all have this edge to them, which means they are based on angry intention.

Try loving intention, come to the light side for a change. Say something kind.

He's blasphemed Christ's cross, righteousness, security of his salvation given to his people at least once. Well, more than once on here, but obviously not even once is enough.
 

stonesoffire

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Peter shared something he felt needed to be known.. many here are making a mountain out of a mole hill because it is not someone they agree with.. if the shoe was on the other foot many would play it down..

All I hope for is peace and forgiveness.. for all concerned.

The problem is that when you tread on people and act brutish they will want to come back and expose you.

Does Peter deserve the onslaught? I think not.

Peter shared links and why any are calling for a ban I know not.. peace between Peter and DC .. I hope so.
Peter picked up the accusation last evening and ran with it after DC said it was not him.

Then he picked up the hacked post and apparently posted a link to it after the moderator deleted the post. He is the one that is carrying on the assault loveme.

You may be siding with Peter because you feel you are on the same side?

This thread is not by works. That is works of our own self effort. We all are saying this is not the way of the Spirit led person. My words. Others are saying it in their own words.

Peter seems to me...all about self effort. And takes reproof personally rather than by the scripture offered.

More psychology than truth of scripture.
 
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It's nice that you stand up for victimisation. You are someone who seems very good at victimising others. So what do you call that? Hypocrisy? You are one of the biggest hypocrites here.

Change your ways. Or react angrily. Well, I do wonder, which will you choose? You are one of the brick walls.

I hope people have reported PJ. His attacks have been horrible in the past But this latest attack is just over the top. And his refusal to even repent (not that I expected it anyway, because he has yet to repent of anything, even when he has been proven, as this time, to be in error.

It amazes me even more, that even if he does not get banned. People keep responding to him.

 

PJW

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Hi PennED...I was listening to a man today who said " A man without a conscience is a man telling himself he has no sin, so he lies to himself all the time "...I think this is quiet fitting...
This poster pjw had me thinking , questioning myself against the word of God...I find myself like you are, hate sin more and more, so many chains have been broken from me Praise the Lord \o/ , I am dead to them, but like us all, everyday new things will fall away from us because our Lord is forever working in us, I believe every day the Lord our God gives us is fresh, new mercies, new grace, new everything, slate wiped clean, we all stumble and fall short by the grace of God, but I thank God He remembers we are but dust, He is so merciful, we give Him are crooked ways and He alone makes them straight, we confess our wrongs and He makes them right...

Thank You Jesus our LORD and Saviour for saving wretches like us, All the glory to God...xox...
It is time for you to avail yourself of the rebirth...of Godly seed that cannot bring forth evil fruit.
A real repentance would be the end of sin in your life.