Originally Posted by PJW
So I AM like you.
If I actually were, I would use the Advocate to get me out of the darkness/sin and into the light wherein is no sin.
After this post I'm going to try not to address this person. For the past couple weeks we have let this person and his heresy, and our responses to his heresy, dominate the thread. There is of course a place for correcting heretical doctrines, especially for the casual reader and baby Christian. But look at what his doctrine has had us focus on, SIN, rather than our beautiful, incredible Savior. For instance I've addressed Peter's sin of hypocrisy, instead of Peter saying things like "Lord, You know I love You".
Many of us have very successfully, using Scripture corrected his sinless perfection heresy that is so destructive, especially to a baby Christian that may stumble, [James tells us we ALL stumble in MANY ways] and read his cruel doctrine, and become incredibly distressed if they believe him.
So I think his post here clarifies perfectly his thought process of capitalizing "I AM" intentionally or not, fits his sinless perfection doctrine as he believes he is the same as our Lord.
Of course my brothers and sisters in Christ should do as they are led, but if you don't feed the beast, he will starve for lack of intention, and we can move on to glorify God, instead of talking about sin so much.
Be Blessed!
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Hi again PennEd, your posts are always to the point and I appreciate that. We are all getting an education on what not to believe. Paraphrasing a statement PJW made a few day's ago;
he does not believe that, "
Original Sin" continues on after you have been born again. Hence why he can be sinless after his rebirth, as opposed to Christian Doctrine; His doctrine is heretical, which you and almost everyone here understands; Quote:"
especially for the casual reader and baby Christian."
I too wish we can close the book on, "
sinless perfection." and talk more about what will edify the Body of Christ. I'm sure Decon has had his fill of PJW's, "
cafe vanilla twist", fake gospel. I think PJW, was caught up in Holiness Movement church which is why I posted this article. I apologize for its length but it may be time well spent I hope.
I never noticed PJW's capital,
"I AM", before, maybe it is a telltale sign, a student is never above his teacher.Matthew 10:24, and I question his church affiliation; If we knew where he attended church we could easily find their "
Doctrinal Statement" and tell me this, what church
does not have a website for goodness sake, some churches at least will post a "Facebook page. Notice this there is not one mention of,
"The church by Christ Jesus", not one mention of this so call church on the entire internet, not one, and personally I have never heard nor no anyone affiliated with a church by this name, such a mystery.
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Sinless Perfection" is a heretical doctrine and should be opposed by the Church; I agree with you PennEd, time to end the "Drama"
Quote: "The church I belong to is called "The Church by Christ Jesus (Eph3:21)" We don't have a web site though.
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Question: "What is the Holiness movement / church?"
Answer: The Holiness movement/church is an influence within Christianity that teaches that a person can achieve perfect holiness, or
sinless perfection, while on earth. This doctrine teaches “
entire sanctification,” which usually comes via a spiritual experience that those in the Holiness movement refer to as the “second work of grace” or the “
second blessing.” The Holiness movement is opposed by Reformed thinkers, who assert that original sin still exists in even the most faithful person.
The Holiness movement began in 1840 when a Methodist leader named Phoebe Palmer began to hold revivals and teach the necessity of holiness—and how to attain it. Groups and denominations historically associated with the Holiness movement include Wesleyans, Methodists, Nazarenes,
and the Salvation Army. However, it should be noted that churches differ widely on doctrine, even within denominations.
The Holiness movement did have a profound effect on the history of the church, particularly in North America during the Third Great Awakening. Holiness adherents are typically interested in obedience to the Law and see their obedience as a way to gain closeness to God and greater spirituality.
While holiness is a biblical mandate and something every believer should strive for (
Hebrews 12:14), those in the Holiness movement typically leave out an important detail: the fact that absolute holiness is impossible to attain. Perfection, sinlessness, and a holy life are not within man’s power to achieve. This idea is backed up by the Bible in numerous passages, most notably in the book of Romans. Paul’s argument in the first part of Romans is that man is fallen and unable to make himself follow the Law. In addition, it could be said that the whole history of Israel, with its repeated failures, is an object lesson about man’s inability to achieve holiness through the Law.
The Holiness movement is related to Pentecostalism in that it says that God helps the believer by giving him the “second blessing” of His Spirit. The “second blessing,” according to Holiness teaching, seals the believer in a sinless state. Unfortunately, a “sinless state” is not supported by either the Bible or human experience. While an emotional experience can make one feel that holiness is possible and that we never want to sin again, we still live in the flesh, and the flesh is still beset with weakness (
Romans 7:14–19). Even the apostle Paul was unable to be completely sinless, and he admitted as much, saying that the old law of sin was still alive in his body, even though he served God in his mind and spirit (
Romans 7:21–23).
Elsewhere, Paul mentions a “thorn” in his flesh, making him rely on God’s strength instead of his own weakness (
2 Corinthians 12:7). Near the end of his life, when by all accounts he should have been the most holy, Paul called himself the chief of sinners (
1 Timothy 1:15). Had Paul not received the second blessing? Or perhaps there is no second blessing resulting in sinlessness. The fact is that none of the apostles ever hinted at the possibility that man can achieve “entire sanctification,” and there is no mention in the Bible of a “second blessing” of the Spirit.
Christians do sin (
1 John 1:5–10), but, hopefully, less and less as we mature in Christ (
Philippians 3:12). The Holiness movement is wrong in its assumption that a believer can keep enough rules to attain sinless perfection in this world.
Good post!
