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He knows, and He always knows - so there was never a time He didn't know, right? otherwise He's not omniscient; He was never ignorant.
He knew, before you were created, what you would do, and whether you would believe in Him - so it's not like, He created us & then had to 'look down through time' to see how we would turn out. doesn't that kind of explanation of His 'foreknowledge' makes Him creating in ignorance, and only finding out later what it was He made?
when He created our will, before He did, didn't He know exactly what He was creating; it wasn't random or undetermined? because whatever free will we have - He created it also
does that make us robots?
He knew, before you were created, what you would do, and whether you would believe in Him - so it's not like, He created us & then had to 'look down through time' to see how we would turn out. doesn't that kind of explanation of His 'foreknowledge' makes Him creating in ignorance, and only finding out later what it was He made?
when He created our will, before He did, didn't He know exactly what He was creating; it wasn't random or undetermined? because whatever free will we have - He created it also
does that make us robots?
You are describing how you treat those of us who absolutely believe in the BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED.
You also exhibit a SERIOUS LACK OF TOTAL TRUST IN THE LORD HIMSELF.
1 Corinthians 1:8 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
John 10:28-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”
Jude 1:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless and with great joy,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority before all time, now and forever. Amen.
Hebrews 13:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Your life should be free from the love of money. Be satisfied with what you have, for He Himself has said, I will never leave you or forsake you.
Man yo need to take a few lessons on grammar and contextual studies...the bible is clear...we have spiritual eternal life right now...not next week, next month or next year...we are born again SPIRITUALLY = LIFE <---ALLOWS ONE TO COMPARE spiritual with spiritual and UNDERSTAND THE WORD.....
RIGHT NOW are we the CHILDREN OF GOD and it does not YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE.....
As far as the leaves for healing.....any view offered would be surmising and guesses on my part......as to the other question....many forget that some believers have works of gold, silver and precious stones and have been faithful....others have works of wood, hay and stubble and were not so faithful yet both were saved....even the Corinthian brother who was a fornicator and cut lose for the destruction of the flesh, yet his spirit was still saved...God is fair and rewards accordingly...some rule many are ruled...and maybe the tree of life has a special application that we are not aware of.....it is obvious that there is a division of believers and varying rewards to be earned or gained based upon one's faithfulness........
I challenge you to think a little DEEPER about the Nature of GOD.
I believe it is even possible that GOD EXISTS outside of TIME as we know it.
I believe HIS OMNIPRESENCE goes beyond every created cubit inch of everything HE CREATED.
I believe HE IS ALSO OMNIPRESENT IN EVERY SECOND OF TIME ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
TIME as we know it, is not something GOD travels through, but is also something HE CREATED.
HENCE, because HE IS OMNIPRESENT in ALL TIME AS WE KNOW IT, HE IS ABLE TO:
Isaiah 46:10 (ESV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’
Revelation 17:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up from the abyss and go to destruction. Those who live on the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast that was, and is not, and will be present ⌊again⌋.
No, we are not robots, we are those who CHOOSE TO LOVE GOD.
2 You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others. 3 Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs—he wants to please his commanding officer. 5 Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor’s crown unless he competes according to the rules. 6 The hardworking farmer should be the first to receive a share of the crops. 7 Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight into all this.
8 Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, 9 for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.
11 Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he will remain faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
A Workman Approved by God
14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. 21 If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.
22 Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
8 Remember Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David. This is my gospel, 9 for which I am suffering even to the point of being chained like a criminal. But God’s word is not chained. 10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.
11 Here is a trustworthy saying:
If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he will remain faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
A Workman Approved by God
14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. 17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
20 In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble. 21 If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.
22 Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. 24 And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 25 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
[FONT="]Jesus take me as I am.[/FONT]
Here is the good news about Jesus. We don’t have to wait to get our lives in order, or when we think were good enough to come to him. If we keep waiting for that, then that day will never come. We can never earn Salvation by the things we do, it is a gift from God. The Bible says in Ephesians 2:8
” For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God “. The good new is, Jesus accepts us just as we are.
When Oliver Cromwell had his portrait painted. It looked perfect, without flaw. However Oliver Cromwell was not happy as it was not a true reflection of his likeness. He had it done again, he said to the artist ” Paint me warts and all !, I want to people take me as I am, to accept me, for being me “.
When we come to Jesus, he see`s us as we are, and accepts us. Warts and all, our sinful way of life, our tainted past.
Now here is the great news…….When we say Jesus, take me as I am…..he does !.
Isaiah 64:6 ” All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags ” But this what the Bible says in Isaiah 1:18 ” Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool “.
Let the love, acceptance, mercy, grace and forgiveness of Jesus touch your life today.
Let the cry of your heart be echoed in the words of this old gospel song.
Jesus take me as I am,
I can come no other way.
Take me deeper into You,
Make my flesh life melt away.
Make me like a precious stone,
Crystal clear and finely honed.
Light of Jesus shining through,
Giving glory back to You.
God bless you my friend, Matthew McDonald (Wordpress)
Here is the good news about Jesus. We don’t have to wait to get our lives in order, or when we think were good enough to come to him. If we keep waiting for that, then that day will never come. We can never earn Salvation by the things we do, it is a gift from God. The Bible says in Ephesians 2:8
” For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God “. The good new is, Jesus accepts us just as we are.
When Oliver Cromwell had his portrait painted. It looked perfect, without flaw. However Oliver Cromwell was not happy as it was not a true reflection of his likeness. He had it done again, he said to the artist ” Paint me warts and all !, I want to people take me as I am, to accept me, for being me “.
When we come to Jesus, he see`s us as we are, and accepts us. Warts and all, our sinful way of life, our tainted past.
Now here is the great news…….When we say Jesus, take me as I am…..he does !.
Isaiah 64:6 ” All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags ” But this what the Bible says in Isaiah 1:18 ” Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool “.
Let the love, acceptance, mercy, grace and forgiveness of Jesus touch your life today.
Let the cry of your heart be echoed in the words of this old gospel song.
Jesus take me as I am,
I can come no other way.
Take me deeper into You,
Make my flesh life melt away.
Make me like a precious stone,
Crystal clear and finely honed.
Light of Jesus shining through,
Giving glory back to You.
God bless you my friend, Matthew McDonald (Wordpress)
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I like that the bib le calls people of God his children, it paints a great picture
In the womb a child is being formed and nurtured until the time of birth, At that time, God breaths life into that lifeless body and the child’s becomes a living creature with a living soul, From that time, a child is growing, being taught by parents, and teachers and life circumstances. Until they grow to be mature adults who in turn hopefully help to teach and nurter people who are younger than them.
To me, this resembled the non believer, who are formed in into a new body, and God breaths the great of life into them at the point of conversion.
From that time on, they are taught and nurchered by older more mature believers, And life circumstances, and hopefully grow into mature believers who in turn teach and nurtur other new babes in christ.
So from this stand, we are always at work (or God is always at work in us, ie, it is a work in process)
But as a child is ALWAYS his parents child as proven by blood and DNA, the believer is always the child of God, proven by thge blood of Christ. And Christs dna which is in them.
In the womb a child is being formed and nurtured until the time of birth, At that time, God breaths life into that lifeless body and the child’s becomes a living creature with a living soul, From that time, a child is growing, being taught by parents, and teachers and life circumstances. Until they grow to be mature adults who in turn hopefully help to teach and nurter people who are younger than them.
To me, this resembled the non believer, who are formed in into a new body, and God breaths the great of life into them at the point of conversion.
From that time on, they are taught and nurchered by older more mature believers, And life circumstances, and hopefully grow into mature believers who in turn teach and nurtur other new babes in christ.
So from this stand, we are always at work (or God is always at work in us, ie, it is a work in process)
But as a child is ALWAYS his parents child as proven by blood and DNA, the believer is always the child of God, proven by thge blood of Christ. And Christs dna which is in them.
Amen and Amen Stonesoffire, keep Phart accountable for what he keeps feeding us and continually posting irrelevant scripture's, he does this all the time. False teacher's have mishandled God's word down through the ages, Phart is by no means the first to do this as you already know. His false gospel is more important to him than rightly dividing God's word. He would lead us all astray and not even blink an eye.
God bless!
God bless!
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If only we all realised that we are children of the Father.
Jesus himself said “May they know that you love them as much as you love me”
The same Jesus when baptised the Father says “This is my son with whom I am well pleased”
Why did Jesus die?
Reconcilation to the Father. Forgiveness of sins that blocked the relationship that Adam had.
When we come to that place with relationship with him we walk with him.
Relationship, walking and talking.
We talk he listens, he talk we listen.
As we listen we follow.
When we stumble he picks us up and says ok let’s walk some more.
Is God’s desire for realtionship with people based on love or people like robots who want artificial intelligence?
Jesus himself said “May they know that you love them as much as you love me”
The same Jesus when baptised the Father says “This is my son with whom I am well pleased”
Why did Jesus die?
Reconcilation to the Father. Forgiveness of sins that blocked the relationship that Adam had.
When we come to that place with relationship with him we walk with him.
Relationship, walking and talking.
We talk he listens, he talk we listen.
As we listen we follow.
When we stumble he picks us up and says ok let’s walk some more.
Is God’s desire for realtionship with people based on love or people like robots who want artificial intelligence?
