Not By Works

[ConsciouslyAware]

Works alone will not save you it they will sure help you out on Judgment day. Especially since Christ commanded in Matthew 16:24-27 “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.”

 

[Seohce]

No Book, No Chapters, and No Version references. Are you trying to be ignored?

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Even if all I have highlighted is one letter, it still copies the entire verse, with the book, chapter, verse number, and version.


John 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.


ALL I had Highlighted was the H on He. I have the paid version so it puts the Book, Chapter, Verse, and Version first. If it is still the same the FREE version puts them last, like this:


[SUP]16 [/SUP] “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (HCSB)

Thanks and God bless!

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:17, "So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:22, "Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?"[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 2:24, "You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone."[/FONT]

 

[ConsciouslyAware]

Those aren’t all the Bible’s in the world you know? So how do you know that yours is right and mine is incorrect?

 

[ConsciouslyAware]

Faith and works....neither alone. You need both, that’s all I️ was saying .

 

[Hizikyah]

Those aren’t all the Bible’s in the world you know? So how do you know that yours is right and mine is incorrect?

You should quote who you are talking to so they know you are talking to them. At the bottom right of each post it says "Relpy with Quote" click oin that and it will create a quote just like this one of me quoting you.

 

[ConsciouslyAware]

You should quote who you are talking to so they know you are talking to them. At the bottom right of each post it says "Relpy with Quote" click oin that and it will create a quote just like this one of me quoting you.

Lol, forgive me.

 

[Hizikyah]

Lol, forgive me.

No worries, I just wanted to help, I noticed you only had a few posts and assumed you didnt know this yet.

Welcome to CC.com

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 117:2, "For His lovingkindness is great toward us, And the truth of YHWH is everlasting. Praise YHWH!"[/FONT]

 

[ConsciouslyAware]

Thanks and God bless!

Orthodox Study Bible Matthew 16:24-27
24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.†
25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.†
26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?†
27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

By the way thanks for pointing that out.

 

[TruthTalk]

At the end of the movie it was disclosed that the cardinal who orchestrated the cover-up was rewarded with a position in one of the highest ranking RC churches in the world. Major abuse scandals were also uncovered in the following places:

Over the course of 2002, the Spolight team published close to 600 stories about the scandal.

Correction: it was 149 priests and brothers within the Boston archdiocese.

Hi Magenta, this must have been a shocking movie to see to say the least, so many lives have been damaged. There are no listings for showing where I live at this time and the films release was 2yrs ago. Well our Saviour is coming back soon and some say he is very very angry. God bless you.

Quote: Wikipedia
The film was released on November 6, 2015, by Open Road Films and grossed $90 million worldwide. It won numerous guilds and critics' association awards, and was named one of the finest films of 2015 by various publications. Spotlight won the Academy Award for Best Picture along with Best Original Screenplay from six nominations in total, making Spotlight the first film from Open Road Films to win in either category.

 

[ConsciouslyAware]

Hi Magenta, this must have been a shocking movie to see to say the least, so many lives have been damaged. There are no listings for showing where I live at this time and the films release was 2yrs ago. Well our Saviour is coming back soon and some say he is very very angry. God bless you.

Quote: Wikipedia
The film was released on November 6, 2015, by Open Road Films and grossed $90 million worldwide. It won numerous guilds and critics' association awards, and was named one of the finest films of 2015 by various publications. Spotlight won the Academy Award for Best Picture along with Best Original Screenplay from six nominations in total, making Spotlight the first film from Open Road Films to win in either category.

The Eastern Orthodox Church is the Church Christ handed down to His Apostles and we have kept those traditions since.
The Roman Catholic Church split from the Orthodox Church in 1054. Then all the other prodostant break offs happened.

 

[posthuman]

And you wonder why many see you as a Pharisee or Lawyer pushing some pseudo blend gospel.......

i don't.
i See that he loves Gods law and that he wants to keep it because the scripture says those who love Christ keep His commandments. i've never seen Hiz say that we need to keep Torah either to be saved or to maintain salvation, tho maybe i missed it and he did. his signature says we maintain that justification is by faith apart from works of the law.

Somehow we need to be able to both proclaim the free gift of grace and to encourage one another towards godliness and righteous behaviour... I figure Hiz is trying to do that.

 

[Hizikyah]

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which YHWH has prepared for those who love Him."

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of יהוה to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. יהושע Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”

And you wonder why many see you as a Pharisee or Lawyer pushing some pseudo blend gospel.......

If that post gave anyone ammunition to call me a pharisee or lawyer, the problem is with them not me. YHWH and Yahshua say it is loving them. If loving them the way theuy say is lawyering I just passed the Bar.

Is this some psudo blend? and who does the dragon hate?

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of יהוה and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”

Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”

i don't.
i See that he loves Gods law and that he wants to keep it because the scripture says those who love Christ keep His commandments. i've never seen Hiz say that we need to keep Torah either to be saved or to maintain salvation, tho maybe i missed it and he did. his signature says we maintain that justification is by faith apart from works of the law.

Somehow we need to be able to both proclaim the free gift of grace and to encourage one another towards godliness and righteous behaviour... I figure Hiz is trying to do that.

2 Timothy 2:19-21, “However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this seal, “יהוה knows those who are His, and, let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness. But in a large house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some unto value and some unto no value. If, then, anyone cleanses himself from these matters, he shall be a vessel unto value, having been set apart, of good use to the Master, having been prepared for every good work.”

Hebrews 10:19-24, “So, brothers, having boldness to enter into the Set-apart Place by the blood of יהושע, by a new and living way which He instituted for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the House of יהוה, let us draw near with a true heart in completeness of belief, having our hearts sprinkled from a wicked conscience and our bodies washed with clean water. Let us hold fast the confession of our expectation without yielding, for He who promised is trustworthy. And let us be concerned for one another in order to stir up love and good works,” (Mat 16:27)

 

[PHart]

Indeed. Where is critical thinking? Very few men incorporate the difficult verses.

They will quote no one can be snatched from His hand but will dismiss that to put ones hand to the plow and then pull back makes a man unfit for the kingdom.

You're hitting the nail right on the head. This is exactly the flaw I saw in the popular doctrines of the church. So many doctrines built on part of the scriptures, not the whole context of the scriptures.

There is a logical, thoughtful way to examine scripture that helps us discern the truth. And it starts by doing what you did above--you put two seemingly inconsistent and contradictory verses side by side. If the interpretation of one nullifies the other you know you're not dealing with the truth. In cases of apparent contradiction, you always go with the more compelling passage or verse, just like how you would deal with evidence presented in a court of law. Less compelling and vague passages do not trump the more compelling and specific passages. Something that is more specific takes precedence over something that is less specific and more vague.

I would like to see a man tie in the difficult verses and let them challenge what he thinks - what he has been taught.

This is the problem I encounter in on-line forums. No one is willing to critically examine ALL the evidence. Instead they just brush away the scriptures which interfere with their favorite pet doctrines and dogmatically continue in their narrow interpretation of scripture.

 

[PHart]

1 Corinthians 1:8 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.


John 10:28-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”


Jude 1:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling and to make you stand in the presence of His glory, blameless and with great joy,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority before all time, now and forever. Amen.


Hebrews 13:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Your life should be free from the love of money. Be satisfied with what you have, for He Himself has said, I will never leave you or forsake you.

Yes, He is able. That's why we need to keep trusting in Him. He is able to deliver us safely to the kingdom. Don't give up. He is worthy of our trust.

23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful" (Hebrews 10:23 NASB)

 

[PHart]

EVEN MORE AMAZING, "The point is, 'sealed' does not mean by definition 'not able to be unsealed' " , you are the only one in my entire life that I have seen or heard make that statement.

Yes, I'm quite sure that I'm the only one that you've encountered that challenges the doctrine that looks at the word 'sealed' and instantly defines sealed as 'not able to be unsealed'."

Over and over, Christians saying, "see? We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, so that means we can not be unsealed." And I wonder, when did 'sealed' now mean 'unable to be unsealed', lol? The hypocrisy of that thinking being you don't think it means that when you seal your leftovers and put them in the refrigerator. But for the sake of defending an ear tickling doctrine it suddenly means that.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I somewhat agree phart...except that for almost every counsel there seems to be a verse/versez in tension to it. So I'm left thinking, well which is it?

The verse in tension to is not obscure and neither is the other one. So do I answer a fool in his folly or don't I? (For example).

If no one can snatch me from His hand, how is it that putting my hand to the plow and turning back makes me unfit for the kingdom?

Your suggestion to go with the verse that isn't obscure to me won't often work. That just leads to the never ending debates as each man favors the verse/verses he prefers or considers to be less obscure. The battle line is drawn and each side picks a ditch on opposite sides of the road. The only thing both sides are fully correct about is that the other side is not taking the entire counsel of God into account!

And this is how they live out their days, warring with each other over and over, every day the same, arguing over Jesus' ​seamless robe and tearing it to shreds.

Edit:response to #44194

 

[loveme1]

Yes, I'm quite sure that I'm the only one that you've encountered that challenges the doctrine that looks at the word 'sealed' and instantly defines sealed as 'not able to be unsealed'."

Over and over, Christians saying, "see? We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, so that means we can not be unsealed." And I wonder, when did 'sealed' now mean 'unable to be unsealed', lol? The hypocrisy of that thinking being you don't think it means that when you seal your leftovers and put them in the refrigerator. But for the sake of defending an ear tickling doctrine it suddenly means that.

Ephesians 4


25Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27Neither give place to the devil. 28Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. 29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. 30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.



Grieve not the Holy Spirit... that is something to work at it seems... there is a list of do not and do’s..

Verse 32 is a motivating thought to truly believe and consider upon for any believer..

 

[PHart]

...the sealing is SURE and unto the DAY of redemption.....end of story.

Well sure it's the end of the story......if you stop reading the book.

The sealing is sure and lasts until the Day of redemption if you keep trusting in Christ in faith. Step out from the protection of the Holy Spirit in a contemptuous, willful return to the world in unbelief and you will surely not have His sealing protection any more. He will not follow you back to the world in a willful rejection of Christ:

"If we deny Him, He also will deny us" (2 Timothy 2:12 NASB)

 

[PHart]

I somewhat agree phart...except that for almost every counsel there seems to be a verse/versez in tension to it. So I'm left thinking, well which is it?

The verse in tension to is not obscure and neither is the other one. So do I answer a fool in his folly or don't I? (For example).

If no one can snatch me from His hand, how is it that putting my hand to the plow and turning back makes me unfit for the kingdom?

Your suggestion to go with the verse that isn't obscure to me won't often work. That just leads to the never ending debates as each man favors the verse/verses he prefers or considers to be less obscure. The battle line is drawn and each side picks a ditch on opposite sides of the road. The only thing both sides are fully correct about is that the other side is not taking the entire counsel of God into account!

And this is how they live out their days, warring with each other over and over, every day the same, arguing over Jesus' ​seamless robe and tearing it to shreds.

Edit:response to #44194

I can't fully articulate how to do it without staying up all night. The best way to see how this works is to use actual examples. Let's do that.

For now I'm heading back to bed for another hour of sleep before I have to go to work.