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PHart

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You accepted? Are you sure?
"18Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19We will know by this that we are of the truth" (1 John 3:18 NASB)

We know we have believed unto salvation by the fact that our faith works. But the church is sure just saying you believe is how you know that you have received salvation. And now it's got to the point that to even suggest works are the evidence of salvation and must accompany salvation is to say you are earning your own salvation.

So, how do you know? Just because you say you have, right? You think just by believing that you received salvation then it is that way, right? And you think that's what having faith in Christ means. Little knowing that when you don't respond to the gospel in obedience you are actually in unbelief despite the confidence of your confession. The church does not know this. That's why they watch shows like 'Game of Thrones' and defend their right to do that.
 
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Why is the necessity to keep believing so alien to you? The Bible plainly tells us to keep believing in order to saved.
Scripture doesn't say this, you twist Scripture to make it appear it does.

You people
Isn't that derogatory, like "ilk?" Well ilk isn't derogatory but your words above are.

Can only hear it as a command to earn your own righteousness
Straw man. You've made it something you must do to save yourself because if you don't, or don't AND do something stupid (you've suggested one, then the other) then you go to hell for failing to keep yourself assenting to facts.

Where is the passage that says that?????
Rather, the point is you misinterpret passages then seek a passage to address your fake scenario. #logicalfallacy #circularreasoning #refutemyhypothesis

The church has fallen so far. It's scary.
His church is well. The scary thing is your false gospel, misinterpretations and misapplication.
 
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"18Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19We will know by this that we are of the truth" (1 John 3:18 NASB)

We know we have believed unto salvation by the fact that our faith works. But the church is sure just saying you believe is how you know that you have received salvation. And now it's got to the point that to even suggest works are the evidence of salvation and must accompany salvation is to say you are earning your own salvation.

So, how do you know? Just because you say you have, right? You think just by believing that you received salvation then it is that way, right? And you think that's what having faith in Christ means. Little knowing that when you don't respond to the gospel in obedience you are actually in unbelief despite the confidence of your confession. The church does not know this. That's why they watch shows like 'Game of Thrones' and defend their right to do that.
Lol. I should have known you would puff up your works. Thats typical from people who believe as you do.

How do we know you work? Even paul said as a non believers he was spotless according to the law. Just because you do christian works does not prove anything, Jesus even said many will come telling of all their works in jesus name. Yet he will tell them to depart.

I still wonder why you think God will fail you. That you may lose faith? Or his blood is somehow at one time trustworthy, can fail..

That is more importantl
 
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Its alien, because you do not just stop believing, unless people fail you.
No, people can stop believing because they love their old lives more than they do the righteousness of God and want to go back.

15And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them." (Hebrews 11:15-16 NASB)


saying God Will give us a reason to stop believing states Gods is flawed. And that is alien to those who KNOW GOD.
Your own evil desires are why you may want to go back to the world. And God leaves the door open for you to do that if you so choose to do that, just as he left it open for the Hall of Faither's in Hebrews 11.
 
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No, people can stop believing because they love their old lives more than they do the righteousness of God.

15And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them." (Hebrews 11:15-16 NASB)



Your own evil desires are why you may want to go back to the world. And God leaves the door open for you to do that if you so choose to do that.

Yep. And why those people were NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH!

If they were saved, they would never love their lives, The fact they love their lives more, proves they have not repented.

Even though they have played church for even years. Their true self will always be revealed.
 

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WERE YOU SENT BY GOD?

Luke 6:43-45 A Tree and Its Fruit “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. FOR OUT OF THE OVERFLOW OF HIS HEART , HIS MOUTH SPEAKS..

WHO ARE CLAIMING TO BE “STILL SINNERS” OUT OF THE OVERFLOW OF THEIR HEART???

John 3:34 For the one whom GOD HAS SENT speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.



This thread and it’s author implies that there’s no need for works to a FAITH ALONE that SAVES(faith void of works).

SALVATION IS NOT BY WORKS IF IT’S APART FROM FAITH (eph 2:8-9) JUST AS FAITH ALONE APART FROM WORKS OF LOVE,OBEDIENCE AND FAITH IS DEAD (james 2:14-26)

IF WE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE (eph 5:23) AREN’T WE EXPECTED TO OBEY HIS COMMANDS (john 14:12-15)AND DO HIS WORKS OF SALVATION (1cor 3:9, 12:28 mat 25:21-30, 9:37-38 eph 4:12-13, rom 12: 3-8, 1 tim 4:16) AS WE ARE TO DO HIS WILL HERE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN (mat 6:10)

John 4:34-38 “My food,” said Jesus, “is TO DO THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME AND TO FINISH HIS WORK. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE, so that the sower and the reaper may be GLAD TOGETHER. Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. I SENT YOU to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and YOU HAVE REAPED THE BENEFITS OF THEIR LABOR.”

John 5:36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and WHICH I AM DOING, TESTIFIES that the Father has SENT me.

John 6:39-40 And this is the will of him who SENT me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and BELIEVES IN HIM, SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 7:18 HE WHO SPEAKS ON HIS OWN does so to gain honor for himself, but HE WHO WORKS FOR THE HONOR OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM IS A MAN OF TRUTH; there is nothing false about him.

John 9:4-5 As long as it is day, WE MUST DO THE WORK OF HIM WHO SENT ME. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

John 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have SENT THEM into the world.

John 20:21-22 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I AM SENDING YOU.” And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

ONE SURE WAY TO RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO WERE NOT SENT ACCORDING TO THE VERSES ABOVE IS TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO.

DO THEY PREACH AGAINST THE WORKS THAT GOD HAS PREPARED IN ADVANCE FOR US TO DO BY SAYING THAT: “FAITH ALONE SAVES AND IT IS VOID OF WORKS.”?

DO THEY PREACH THAT; “WORKS ARE WORKS ARE WORKS.”?
THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S COMMANDMENTS CANNOT SAVE EVEN THOSE BELIEVERS WHO CONFESS WITH THEIR MOUTHS THAT JESUS IS LORD AND BELIEVE IN THEIR HEARTS THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.

DO THEY PREACH THAT SINCE THEY WERE ALREADY SAVED, THEY WILL ALWAYS BE SAVED REGARDLESS OF THEIR WILLFUL AND CONTINUOUS SINNING(manifested by their arguments against those who push for continuous faith and are against willful sinning).

DO THEY PROMOTE SIN BY SAYING THAT THOSE WHO ARE CLAIMING THAT THOSE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT IS A NEW CREATION AND THEREFORE MUST NOT SIN OR CEASE FROM SINNING, ARE LIARS ACCDG. TO 1JOHN 1:8 WHICH THEY LOVE TO QUOTE BUT REJECTING THE WHOLE TRUTH EXPRESSED IN THE BIBLE? WHICH ONLY PROVES THIS VERSES BELOW TO BE TRUE:

Romans 8:5-9 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds SET ON WHAT THE SPIRIT DESIRES. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. IT DOES NOT SUBMIT TO GOD’S LAW, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, HE DOES NOT BELONG TO CHRIST.

WOULD THE SPIRIT OF GOD DESIRE SIN?

Galatians 2:17-18 “If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does that mean that Christ PROMOTES SIN? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker.

Romans 6:15 What then? SHALL WE SIN because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is ONE WITH HIM IN SPIRIT.

John 16:13 But when he, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11,15-20 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. AND THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. But you were WASHED, you were SANCTIFIED, you were JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

1 John 2:3-6 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

John 14:31 but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I DO EXACTLY WHAT .MY FATHER HAS COMMANDED ME. “Come now; let us leave.

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were STILL SINNERS, Christ died for us.

Romans 6:21-23 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ASHAMED OF? Those things result in death! But NOW that you have been SET FREE FROM SIN and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to HOLINESS, and the result is ETERNAL LIFE. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD.

Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only CONTINUE TO DO these very things but also APPROVE of those who practice them.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

Psalm 49:13-14 This is the fate of those who trust in themselves, and of THEIR FOLLOWERS, who APPROVE their sayings. Selah Like sheep they are destined for the grave, and death will feed on them. The upright will rule over them in the morning; their forms will decay in the grave, far from their princely mansions.

THEREFORE:

Romans 10:14-15 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? AND HOW CAN THEY PREACH UNLESS THEY ARE SENT? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”

Oh, stop. You don't understand what is being said.

We are not sinners as in we actively choose to sin daily, and we just love our sin.

We know our position in Jesus, is the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. When Dcon says we are sinners, he is speaking of the fact that while we are yet in this body, we fall short of the glory of God.

The glory of God is our goal. But, it is the fullness of light. There may be a time on this earth that the whole body of Jesus appears in light, or His glory. I don't know for sure. Some though who give themselves over to the infilling do shine. But, we go in and out of this.

I do believe there will be many Enoch's. But that's all I can say now.

I have no idea either why I just said this much. Lol


Just stop and consider what is really being said.
 
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Lol. I should have known you would puff up your works. Thats typical from people who believe as you do.

How do we know you work? Even paul said as a non believers he was spotless according to the law. Just because you do christian works does not prove anything, Jesus even said many will come telling of all their works in jesus name. Yet he will tell them to depart.

I still wonder why you think God will fail you. That you may lose faith? Or his blood is somehow at one time trustworthy, can fail..

That is more importantl
You apparently do not have a clue what the obedient Christian life looks like.

The people who Christ will turn away in Matthew 7 he called 'lawless'.
 
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That's why they watch shows like 'Game of Thrones' and defend their right to do that.[/SIZE]
i will tell u that show is of the devil. there
 
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Yep. And why those people were NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH!

If they were saved, they would never love their lives, The fact they love their lives more, proves they have not repented.

Even though they have played church for even years. Their true self will always be revealed.
And then there are those who do truly believe and walk away from Christ in unbelief. Many Christians do not even realize they've walked away from Christ by what choice of TV viewing they do and defend doing. That's why you and others are not getting this. You think a works-less confession of faith is salvation. Just as long as it has the confessing Christ part in it you're okay. Good luck with that. You're going to need it on the Day of Wrath.
 

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No, people can stop believing because they love their old lives more than they do the righteousness of God and want to go back.

15And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them." (Hebrews 11:15-16 NASB)



Your own evil desires are why you may want to go back to the world. And God leaves the door open for you to do that if you so choose to do that, just as he left it open for the Hall of Faither's in Hebrews 11.
Its the process of sanctification, and dying to self.

A child of God is never at home in sin, in the world, and certainly not in evil places.
 
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PHart

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A child of God is never at home in sin, in the world, and certainly not in evil places.
Tell that to the people in the church who vehemently defend their right to watch naked people perform explicit sexual acts on each other in the link I posted above.
 

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i will tell u that show is of the devil. there

He he keeps throwing this show around as if we all watch it. Most of us are here all the time.

And how would PHart know anyway if he didn't watch it.
 
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Yep. And why those people were NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH!

If they were saved, they would never love their lives, The fact they love their lives more, proves they have not repented.

Even though they have played church for even years. Their true self will always be revealed.
You, too. Tell this to the people in the church in the link I posted that defend watching naked people perform explicit sexual acts on each other.
 

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Tell that to the people in the church who vehemently defend their right to watch naked people perform explicit sexual acts on each other in the link I posted above.
What "church" have you been going to?

Ive been to quite a few. Nothing about naked people people unless teaching something about Adam and Eve,
 
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He he keeps throwing this show around as if we all watch it. Most of us are here all the time.

And how would PHart know anyway if he didn't watch it.
i dont watch that show.
but my favorite tv show was deadliest catch. it was a show about fishers in the bering sea in alaska. they were fishing crab. pretty good.
i like to eat tuna as i watched it. fits with the theme. Hahahaha
 

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Tell that to the people in the church who vehemently defend their right to watch naked people perform explicit sexual acts on each other in the link I posted above.

Did you do a sesrch for a link to prove something?
 
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You apparently do not have a clue what the obedient Christian life looks like.
Unnecessary derogation and a false and inflammatory accusation.

The people who Christ will turn away in Matthew 7 he called 'lawless'.
He never knew them, thus they weren't ever truly converted. True converts don't practice lawlessness according to Scripture. You say they do, contrary to Scripture in your attempted magic trick to make goats into sheep. You have to make goats into sheep to claim they lost salvation.
 
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He he keeps throwing this show around as if we all watch it. Most of us are here all the time.

And how would PHart know anyway if he didn't watch it.
Read the thread.

Here's how you know what's in any show you'd like to watch: Parents Guide - IMDb

All you have to do is put <name of show> IMDB parents guide in a search engine, and, walla, there you go. So no more excuses for watching these shows, church.

Here's an excerpt:
Sex is a driving force of this series, and full nudity occurs quite frequently throughout each season, including extended instances of exposed breasts, buttocks, and genitals (both male and female). Viewers can expect to see and hear graphic sex scenes, many of which take place in a brothel, as well as several scenes and situations of incest, rape, and sexual violence (primarily towards females.

 
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PHart

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Most of the IMDB parents guide describe exactly what happens in the show. The descriptions themselves can be quite provocative, let alone actually watching it. But this is what many in the church defend as their right to watch. And then they go to church and act like Christians.