Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull said:
And you do not teach works.

lol. If anyone had a doubt that Phart teaches works. Here you have it. Our salvation is dependent on what we watch on tv. It is there in black and white.

Yet people will still defend him as saying he does not teach works.. SMH
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What you do is the evidence for or against your faith. You seem to not be able to understand this even though I and others say it over and over and over again. And I know you can't get it because of the power of the OSAS doctrine presently gripping the church at this time in church history. The noble in heart will hear, though, and be saved.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PHart said:
You, too. Tell this to the people in the church in the link I posted that defend watching naked people perform explicit sexual acts on each other.
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I am not sinless. I am not going to judge a persons salvation because they have a weakness. I do not have that ability! Nor do you!


 
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PHart said:
Well, I'm not going to waste my whole day arguing with people who I have no choice but to consider being in unbelief by what they defend in the church. But I will take the time to explain to you what is so wrong and disheartening about fellow-shipping with people who say they are a Christian and are even active in the church but who do not live sanctified lives but rather willfully indulge sin.

You see, I want to live for God and do what's pleasing to him, because I believe the gospel and want to live in the manifest joy of his presence. And I need the encouragement and edification of other believers. I'm not an island unto myself. God designed us to need each other and be unified in the building up of each other. But it's incredibly disheartening to want that and seek that but be among others who don't want that and are willfully living in their sins, and thinking 'OSAS' as the defense for that lifestyle of sin. There is zero power in that kind of a meeting. But that is what the church is these days--Spiritless, dead, weak, boring meetings that don't help anybody lead a holy life.
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Perhaps, then you are preaching to the wrong group. You aren't the only one who has had it with sin. I would say most of us here are on fire. But for truth, not the spirit of error.
 
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Very interesting thread. Just my two-cents worth. One can work all they like but that will not get them into eternity with God Almighty.

Accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the only Way.

Then, once saved one will seek to do good works because one has become a child of God and doing good works should come naturally.

[h=1]Ephesians 2:8–9[/h]







8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.














[h=1]Matthew 3:8[/h]







8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.
 
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PHart said:
Read my Bible, give to the poor, fast, pray. Whip myself with cords.
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But what do you really do for entertainment?
There is no way all you do is just sit around and read the bible. That would get boring pretty quick.

Gym? How about documentaries? Those are not evil. Last time I checked. How about bowling, or is that worldly and of satan as well?
Jogging? Listening to sermons?
 
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If we all were centered on Jesus, and being filled with Him daily, we wouldn't be looking around to see what others are doing. We would be heralding the King, and then others be drawn to Him through anointed words and acts. Will beat preaching legalism and dos and donts every time.
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People only seek out the sin of others to make themselves feel good. It is one of the many dangers of legalism.
 
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Here is what PHart is saying: "I'm holy and love God and hate sin. But you OSAS people love sin, live in sin, and make excuses for sin! You're lost and I'm saved and sad because I'm so holy and you aren't!" *Sniff* *sniff* :(
 
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eternally-gratefull

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See how crafty he was, He changed the subject to get the focus off him and onto someone else..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Are you sinless Phart?

Why do you judge others? Are you God that you can throw the first stone

Another proof you are a Pharisee, You love casting stones.
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I'm not sinless....I'm blameless. Because of my continuing faith in Christ.

Purposely watching salacious programming on TV and computer is nothing more than a trampling of the blood of Christ in a contemptuous unbelief. But I know most will not understand that because of OSAS doctrine gripping the church at this present time.

There's a BIG difference between struggling with sin and purposely indulging it, folks. The latter is nothing more than a return to unbelief. Turn around and come back to Christ while you still can, before he turns you over to your unbelief and you CAN'T come back, even if you plead with tears to come back.
 
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Bogadile said:
But what do you really do for entertainment?
There is no way all you do is just sit around and read the bible. That would get boring pretty quick.

Gym? How about documentaries? Those are not evil. Last time I checked. How about bowling, or is that worldly and of satan as well?
Jogging? Listening to sermons?
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Exercise? EXERCISE???? Paul said don't do that but do godliness instead! Exercise is "of the devil!" :D
 
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PHart said:
Read my Bible, give to the poor, fast, pray. Whip myself with cords.
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God wants us to have life and have it more abundantly. There is no need to feel guilty kicking back on your Lazy Boy and watch something on the boob tube. Based on your answer I would have to say that your life is lived without any joy whatsoever. This is certainly not something that one should emulate if they desire a healthy spiritual life. It is a sad way to live ones life.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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PHart said:
What you do is the evidence for or against your faith. You seem to not be able to understand this even though I and others say it over and over and over again. And I know you can't get it because of the power of the OSAS doctrine presently gripping the church at this time in church history. The noble in heart will hear, though, and be saved.
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Lol. You just destroyed your whole “must continue to believe” theology, and proved you teach a gospel of works.

Get over it man.. You proved it

God does not need proof. He knows. You are not God. So give it up/.
 
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PHart said:
Well, I'm not going to waste my whole day arguing with people who I have no choice but to consider being in unbelief by what they defend in the church. But I will take the time to explain to you what is so wrong and disheartening about fellow-shipping with people who say they are a Christian and are even active in the church but who do not live sanctified lives but rather willfully indulge sin.

You see, I want to live for God and do what's pleasing to him, because I believe the gospel and want to live in the manifest joy of his presence. And I need the encouragement and edification of other believers. I'm not an island unto myself. God designed us to need each other and be unified in the building up of each other. But it's incredibly disheartening to want that and seek that but be among others who don't want that and are willfully living in their sins, and thinking 'OSAS' as the defense for that lifestyle of sin. There is zero power in that kind of a meeting. But that is what the church is these days--Spiritless, dead, weak, boring meetings that don't help anybody lead a holy life.
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There is security in Christ Jesus PHart. We can't even trust ourselves. Is why God has put us to death with His Son, and raised us up in newness of life.

You can trust the work of Holy Spirit. He will keep you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
See how crafty he was, He changed the subject to get the focus off him and onto someone else..
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All these argument. They are the arguments used by unbelievers. I know because I've witnessed to many of them in years past. That's why when 'believers' start using these kinds of arguments against me I have no choice but to put them on my 'consider them to be an unbeliever' list until they prove to me by some kind of contrition that they really are believers.
 
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There is security in Christ Jesus PHart. We can't even trust ourselves. Is why God has put us to death with His Son, and raised us up in newness of life.

You can trust the work of Holy Spirit. He will keep you.
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And which is why we can continue to watch 'Game of Thrones', right?
 
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preacher4truth said:
Exercise? EXERCISE???? Paul said don't do that but do godliness instead! Exercise is "of the devil!" :D
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What if your job includes exercise? What if I am a carver by profession? Beef coming through! Or maybe ham since its Christmas time, or is eating ham a sin? Do not want to offend any hebrewrooters here :D
 
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tourist said:
God wants us to have life and have it more abundantly. There is no need to feel guilty kicking back on your Lazy Boy and watch something on the boob tube. Based on your answer I would have to say that your life is lived without any joy whatsoever. This is certainly not something that one should emulate if they desire a healthy spiritual life. It is a sad way to live ones life.
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You know I was being sarcastic, right, lol?

Do you know what the Bible says on how to have the joy of God? Show me you do. Then tell me if watching 'Game of Thrones' is how God says you do that.
 
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Hmmm. PHart is really saying "God I thank you I'm not like others, I...I...I...they...they...they. I despise them and love me some me. "Lovers of themselves" doesn't apply to me. I'm above that and them. Amen."
 
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Bogadile said:
What if your job includes exercise? What if I am a carver by profession? Beef coming through! Or maybe ham since its Christmas time, or is eating ham a sin? Do not want to offend any hebrewrooters here :D
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Ahhhh! A pork eater? Sinner! I shall putteth thee on ignore! :D
 
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Bogadile said:
What if your job includes exercise? What if I am a carver by profession? Beef coming through! Or maybe ham since its Christmas time, or is eating ham a sin? Do not want to offend any hebrewrooters here :D
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What do you mean Christmas? Pagan worshippers of trees....grrr...
 
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