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We are saying that we have a new heart, new nature. Born again, a new creation birthed of Spirit. We have another Priesthood, our High Priest now is the Son of God. We are freed to be led by Spirit. Holy Spirit now being in the world, and we connected to Him, an eternal connection within, hear His Voice. He speaks in several ways, and may be by scripture, may be His Voice within us, may be by prophetic word.

NOT BY LAW! SPIRIT!

Did you get it this time?
Does a brick wall understand that it is a brick wall......highly unlikely....!
 
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They go one further and constantly claim that those with whom they disagree do not read or understand Scriptures :p One claimed there was NO truth in what one said and then went on to agree with parts of what had been said. The same one continually judges others and then denies that they are judging. The blindness is real.
I love how they post a wall of English text but cannot just say Peter, Jesus or God......
 

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I already explained, but you fail to comprehend the FACT that Jesus did not say the law was eternal. Right there in your highlighted verse Jesus affirms what I told you: He came to fulfill the law. Why don't you just admit that Christ did not say what you claimed? Going around in circles like this with you is not edifying.
​Everything is not accomplished. The rapture has not happened. Therefore the law is still intact. You seem to deliberately blind yourself to this simple fact. Why??
 
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I love how they post a wall of English text but cannot just say Peter, Jesus or God......
this is what ticks me off. its so annoying. this is an english forum. how many of these people speak hebrew in their day to day life? none. fakers and posers. why cant we all just know him by Iesu Keriso as it is in the samoan language? some people never learn.
 
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this is what ticks me off. its so annoying. this is an english forum. how many of these people speak hebrew in their day to day life? none. fakers and posers. why cant we all just know him by Iesu Keriso as it is in the samoan language? some people never learn.
They think it pleases God.. Your right though. God is just as happy with me calling him lord or God or jesus as he was with hebrews calling them by their Hebrew name

In fact. On the day of Pentecost. What amazed people is they the disciples were talking to them in their main language.. Not using Hebrew idioms.. which would sort of defeat the purpose.
 
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They think it pleases God.. Your right though. God is just as happy with me calling him lord or God or jesus as he was with hebrews calling them by their Hebrew name

In fact. On the day of Pentecost. What amazed people is they the disciples were talking to them in their main language.. Not using Hebrew idioms.. which would sort of defeat the purpose.
i believe it has to be Iesu Keriso. thats the real name. if u dont speak samoan too bad.

to be serious: imagine going soul-winning and saying all those hebrew words in the middle of sentences? people are gonna think ur some type of weirdo. not gonna win nobody to the Lord that way for sure.
then again maybe its beter that way, most of those guys preach a false Gospel to begin with.
 

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this is what ticks me off. its so annoying. this is an english forum. how many of these people speak hebrew in their day to day life? none. fakers and posers. why cant we all just know him by Iesu Keriso as it is in the samoan language? some people never learn.
Very funny. Thanks for the laugh.
 

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Addendum to previous post to Magenta. The 5 minute rule killed my edit.
We sin correct? Sin is transgression of the law. Correct? How can we sin if there is no law!!!

Get your head out of the sand. What Jesus did was to pay the penalty for our transgressions of the law (sins). Without the law there are no sins.

Where is the flaw in my argument!! Reread the text again.
 
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Addendum to previous post. The 5 minute rule killed my edit.
We sin correct? Sin is transgression of the law. Correct? How can we sin if there is no law!!!

Get your head out of the sand. What Jesus did was to pay the penalty for our transgressions of the law (sins). Without the law there are no sins.

Where is the flaw in my argument!!
did Adam sin?

Did Adam die because of his sin?

was the law in effect when Adam sinned?
 

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We sin correct? Sin is transgression of the law. Correct? How can we sin if there is no law!!!

Get your head out of the sand. What Jesus did was to pay the penalty for our transgressions of the law (sins). Without the law there are no sins.

Where is the flaw in my argument!!
"For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come" (Romans 5:13-14).

Best to get your head out of the sand. If you mean to
quote Jesus, please do not put your words in His mouth.
 
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i believe it has to be Iesu Keriso. thats the real name. if u dont speak samoan too bad.

to be serious: imagine going soul-winning and saying all those hebrew words in the middle of sentences? people are gonna think ur some type of weirdo. not gonna win nobody to the Lord that way for sure.
then again maybe its beter that way, most of those guys preach a false Gospel to begin with.
Sadly it is the religious mindset, Almost every religion has those types of people. Just look at Islam.
 

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did Adam sin?

Did Adam die because of his sin?

was the law in effect when Adam sinned?
Absolutely Adam and Eve both sinned by eating the fruit of the tree they had been forbidden to eat!!! As a result death came to earth, they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden, and the earth was cursed with making it harder to work the fields and gather foods, weeds etc.
 

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"For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come" (Romans 5:13-14).

Best to get your head out of the sand. If you mean to
quote Jesus, please do not put your words in His mouth.
Adam and Eve broke the law God gave them about eating the forbidden fruit. Or are you trying to say that wasn't a law!!!

You ignore the verses I quoted where Jesus said the law is till the end. Then you claim I am putting words in his mouth.
 
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Absolutely Adam and Eve both sinned by eating the fruit of the tree they had been forbidden to eat!!! As a result death came to earth, they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden, and the earth was cursed with making it harder to work the fields and gather foods, weeds etc.
And you forgot, his death (spiritual) was passed to all mankind (in Adam all die)

 

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Adam and Eve broke the law God gave them about eating the forbidden fruit. Or are you trying to say that wasn't a law!!!
Why don't you just admit that Jesus never said the law was eternal, instead of all these red herrings you keep serving up? Are you going to deny also that sin was in the world right up to the time of Moses??? I gave the Scripture for it, but you ignored it.
 

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Why don't you just admit that Jesus never said the law was eternal, instead of all these red herrings you keep serving up? Are you going to deny also that sin was in the world right up to the time of Moses??? I gave the Scripture for it, but you ignored it.
Explain these verses. Is everything accomplished? Has the rapture happened without my knowing it? Has heaven and earth disappeared? If not the law is in force according to Jesus. His words not mine!!!

Cain and Abel made sacrifices to God. Why?? Sacrifices were required for sins. Without the law there are no sins. There seems to be a problem here. Explain this to me.

Mathew 5:17 to 20 NIV


The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
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