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I never said everything was accomplished and I even repeated it, so you are being willfully deceitful here. The law was fulfilled in Christ. Why do you wish to pretend that is not so, and that it has been pointed out to you more than once? How many times will it take? Hmmm? What is up with you, anyways? Can't admit you were wrong? The issue is NOT whether or not the law is intact.
Ahhh. Now you get to the root of the problem. Nothing states explicitly what law they were under to require sacrifices for sins. Speculation goes from we having a conscious mind understanding doing wrong things to they actually had the law and later it was lost except what was passed down through the generations. There is a method of memorization that some cultures have that passes information correctly for many generations. Nothing is written to tell us.
Here are the words of Jesus. You explain why the law doesn't exist taking into account His own words.
IS EVERYTHING ACCOMPLISHED? HAS THE RAPTURE HAPPENED? HAS HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEARED?
Mathew 5:17 to 20 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
IS EVERYTHING ACCOMPLISHED? HAS THE RAPTURE HAPPENED? HAS HEAVEN AND EARTH DISAPPEARED?
Mathew 5:17 to 20 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes, but the law is in effect to condemn those who will perish in their sins. None of which means, as Endoscopy has repeatedly refused to admit, that Jesus said the law is eternal, even as he acknowledges that it will come to an end! He reminds me of the guy who used to get steaming mad when I would beat him at chess.
Putting words in my mouth I never said just like you ignore what Jesus said about when the law would end. When EVERYTHING IS ACCOMPLISHED or heaven and earth pass away.
No rapture so everything is not accomplished and heaven and earth still exist. Oops the law is still in effect.
Another problem you have is sin is the transgress of the law. How can we sin if there is no law?? You never answer that question.
Logic
Sin is the transgression of the law.
Without the law there is no sin.
Without sin Jesus had no need to die on the cross.
So why did Jesus die on the cross and be resurrected 3 days later? No law means no sin. So why does the Bible say Jesus died for our sins?
Your theology has major problems.
If the law is in force until such a time as heaven and earth pass away, then the law is not eternal, because heaven and earth shall pass away. I never said all had been accomplished; that is just one of your deceptions. Jesus never said the law was eternal. The law also had a beginning, which also means it is not eternal. Why don't you just admit it and stop playing your silly games?