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Well first of all Paul was the one that justified slavery. I don't knowing you've read his writings. But he's said many contradictory things in the Bible. Paul was more of a politician that a spiritual agent. That's why James (christs brother), Peter and many more were against Paul and his teachings. Remember this is the guy that said women can't serve in the ministry. From
The moment he walked into the Bible he's been a source of conflict. Have you ever heard of one being chosen after killing the first Martyr of that same religion? It'd be like pissing on Stephens(1st christian martyr) grave. Luke was one of his disciples and the author of Acts, where Paul's holyspirt claim comes from, though he was not around for that event.
 
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Preacher read the Book before saying just no without any back up. It makes you look foolish and ignorant.
 
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YOU are the one who looks foolish and ignorant. Satan DOES exist. God created Lucifer, who became satan after he fell from heaven. And works do NOT save you. Faith through grace is what saves you. While we are to do good works for others, it is NOT required for getting saved, nor keeping salvation..


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Preacher read the Book before saying just no without any back up. It makes you look foolish and ignorant.
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Can you honestly tell me that God told whoever wrote genesis about how He created Lucifer and how he rebelled? Is there anyone with a common sense? I was hoping to have a discussion with people who read and not just those who accept everything blindly.
 
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FranC said:
OK.Let's get serious.You say Abraham was saved by the cross.You didn't answer my original question... It's done often here.WHY did Jesus have to die if even people in the Old Testament were saved by FAITH.Hebrews 11.
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Hi Fran,

Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.

The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “All the nations will be blessed in you.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer. Galatians 3:6-9

But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Therefore you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God. Galatians 4:4-7
 
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God created Lucifer, all the angels, and every person and thing on earth. If you'd actually READ your bible it talks about what Lucifer looked like before he fell, and what it looked like as he fell from heaven..

HolySun said:
Can you honestly tell me that God told whoever wrote genesis about how He created Lucifer and how he rebelled? Is there anyone with a common sense? I was hoping to have a discussion with people who read and not just those who accept everything blindly.
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How can you possibly be a Christian, when you say that satan doesn't exist, and that there is no need for God and any of His manifestations? Are you for real?


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There is no satan. Just another reason for people to blame their lower nature upon. Remember God don't make mistakes. Even if we believe the creation of the devil according to the Bible, then he'd have been God servant and not his own ruler. So all that lucifer story in genesis is just a boogeyman story. Ask yourself this question. Who did God tell about this so called celestial polity? Just because those ppl were around many thousand years ago doesn't make them credible or anything. That's why God gave us a mind to assess what is seemingly or not.
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Blue lady. Let me ask you and whoever that believes in the existence of Satan one question. If Gods the Omnipresent then where does the devil reside? Incase your answer is hell then. Who created hell?
 
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Ok so blue lady I don't think you've read the Bible right seeing from how you've misread about me saying hat you don't need God or His manifestations? Come on. Read.
 
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And how is me believing in the existence of the devil makes me more Christian?
 
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blue_ladybug said:
How can you possibly be a Christian, when you say that satan doesn't exist, and that there is no need for God and any of His manifestations? Are you for real?
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I think he is a troll, looks like another person to add to my ignore list lol
 
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HolySun said:
And how is me believing in the existence of the devil makes me more Christian?
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It doesn't make you more of a Christian.
As a believer in Christ we become aware that we also have an adversary whom is the devil.
 
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OWZK plz do. Cuz I'm not here to discuss with ignorant fools like you but truth seekers.
 
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Bill I agree with an adversary but that adversary is your own lower nature and not a different conscious being with wings or horns. I thought that belief has been discredited just like that of santa. Who did God tell about the creation of angels and the devil? Still no one can answer it yet there are many who just feel comfortable dwelling in their old way of thoughts.
 
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The red highlighted are your very own words, which plainly state that you don't think that satan exists and that there is no need of Christ and the manifestations of God.


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Common sense dictates that there won't be any need of Christ and all the other manifestations of God showing us how to live the life if that was the case. God has never asked what religion or which manifestation of God you've been following or have accepted but how you've treated others. So it's the other way around in my opinion. It all depends on your treatment of others in other words by work alone you can be saved. Paul was a very depressed individual due to his internal conflict and guilt. So he came up with this quote to vindicate his own personal weakness. It's all about your deed not lip service.
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HolySun said:
There is no satan. Just another reason for people to blame their lower nature upon. Remember God don't make mistakes. Even if we believe the creation of the devil according to the Bible, then he'd have been God servant and not his own ruler. So all that lucifer story in Genesis is just a boogeyman story. Ask yourself this question. Who did God tell about this so called celestial polity? Just because those ppl were around many thousand years ago doesn't make them credible or anything. That's why God gave us a mind to assess what is seemingly or not.
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HolySun said:
Ok so blue lady I don't think you've read the Bible right seeing from how you've misread about me saying hat you don't need God or His manifestations? Come on. Read.
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HolySun said:
Well first of all Paul was the one that justified slavery. I don't knowing you've read his writings. But he's said many contradictory things in the Bible. Paul was more of a politician that a spiritual agent. That's why James (christs brother), Peter and many more were against Paul and his teachings. Remember this is the guy that said women can't serve in the ministry. From
The moment he walked into the Bible he's been a source of conflict. Have you ever heard of one being chosen after killing the first Martyr of that same religion? It'd be like pissing on Stephens(1st christian martyr) grave. Luke was one of his disciples and the author of Acts, where Paul's holyspirt claim comes from, though he was not around for that event.
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A. This is ignorant
B. You won't last long
 
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Magenta said:
Funny how Jimbo can suddenly speak proper English and even type well. What kind of a dishonest game was he up to here all along with his near impossible to understand pretenses otherwise?
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Lack of sleep? I get incoherent when I lack sleep, something to do with brain chemistry.
 
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I don't know why people are taking this clown serious xD I don't mean to be blunt, but I haven't seen more of a hypocrite on this site. A person who calls himself a "Christian" but who doesn't believe in satan... what next?

The more of his stuff you read, the more ridiculous they get. Gotta love these loonies haha xD
 
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HolySun said:
I've been doing a personal research on these argumentative topics and almost all of them are written by Paul or his disciples. Which led me to read on them and found out that Paul was the first preverter of the teaching of Christ and that he is the source of division amongst Christian's. All thoughts are welcome.
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This just reeks of ignorance...

a. Jesus chose Paul, saved him and sent him to the Gentiles
b. Paul was taught by direct revelation from Jesus and wrote almost half of the N.T.
c. Jesus was still under the law until his death ratified the New Covenant and spoke as such
d. PETER gives weight to Paul's writing and about those who are ignorant and unlearned in the scriptures will twist them to their own demise.

SUCH is the case, as proven by the vitriol you are spewing about Paul
 
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blue_ladybug said:
How can you possibly be a Christian, when you say that satan doesn't exist, and that there is no need for God and any of His manifestations? Are you for real?
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The fact he denies and rejects almost half of the N.T. proves who leads him.....and the Holy Spirit it is not!
 
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