Not By Works
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Because He is my Lord and Saviour and washed me clean through the cross and the love
He planted in my heart.
This is a good evangelistic question. It's flaw is those who claim to trust in the cross but do
not walk in the Lords way. If one denies the cleansing or the Holy Spirit how can one know
God, and if condemnation is all one experiences something has gone wrong, because there is
no condemnation for those who walk in the Spirit.
He planted in my heart.
This is a good evangelistic question. It's flaw is those who claim to trust in the cross but do
not walk in the Lords way. If one denies the cleansing or the Holy Spirit how can one know
God, and if condemnation is all one experiences something has gone wrong, because there is
no condemnation for those who walk in the Spirit.
I cant understand why so many truths from God posted by members here is totaly being allowed to be trashed daily by two members here.
I cant believe why the term works based salvationist should be allowed here either as there is no such thing..
And i cant understand why anyone who supports Good works should be called a cake taker daily or insulted daily as this site needs good works to support it...
I really cant believe that this is being allowed on here for as long as it has been.
And i truly think that theese two members have been helped enough.
I am so sick of this behavior and hatred towards God and seeing bad and listening to people take evil from Good daily here that i will no longer be apart of this thread and i certainly wont be responding anymore to certain individuals here.. coz no matter what truth is shown to them you just get an insult which has gone on for a long time..
I opend up an email yesterday from robop and so wanted to give a donation but i really cant as at the momement ive never been so insulted in all my life by people who think there the done deal and have allready recieved there salvation.. which doesnt come until judgement day in my book anyways...
anyways like i said earlier im just a passing bystander who would have loved to fellowship more on this site and donate but sorry i cant support a site that doestnt support fellow believers by allowing this utter evil to continue.
anyhow ill come back in a few months to see if anything has changed where i may or may not make a donation goodbye and God bless to the Good workers here and please dont watse anymore time on trying to help those who just look to attack.
I cant believe why the term works based salvationist should be allowed here either as there is no such thing..
And i cant understand why anyone who supports Good works should be called a cake taker daily or insulted daily as this site needs good works to support it...
I really cant believe that this is being allowed on here for as long as it has been.
And i truly think that theese two members have been helped enough.
I am so sick of this behavior and hatred towards God and seeing bad and listening to people take evil from Good daily here that i will no longer be apart of this thread and i certainly wont be responding anymore to certain individuals here.. coz no matter what truth is shown to them you just get an insult which has gone on for a long time..
I opend up an email yesterday from robop and so wanted to give a donation but i really cant as at the momement ive never been so insulted in all my life by people who think there the done deal and have allready recieved there salvation.. which doesnt come until judgement day in my book anyways...
anyways like i said earlier im just a passing bystander who would have loved to fellowship more on this site and donate but sorry i cant support a site that doestnt support fellow believers by allowing this utter evil to continue.
anyhow ill come back in a few months to see if anything has changed where i may or may not make a donation goodbye and God bless to the Good workers here and please dont watse anymore time on trying to help those who just look to attack.
It is a pity the same word means two different things.
Righteousness through faith is being acceptable before the Lord.
Doing righteous deeds is doing things according to His will as the fruit
of knowing God. Doing good does not make us acceptable, but doing
evil demonstrates a problem.
It is these concepts that have caused division and much condemnation
of others because they claim evil is being shown by wrong belief.
Righteousness through faith is being acceptable before the Lord.
Doing righteous deeds is doing things according to His will as the fruit
of knowing God. Doing good does not make us acceptable, but doing
evil demonstrates a problem.
It is these concepts that have caused division and much condemnation
of others because they claim evil is being shown by wrong belief.
I've been doing a personal research on these argumentative topics and almost all of them are written by Paul or his disciples. Which led me to read on them and found out that Paul was the first preverter of the teaching of Christ and that he is the source of division amongst Christian's. All thoughts are welcome.
Common sense dictates that there won't be any need of Christ and all the other manifestations of God showing us how to live the life if that was the case. God has never asked what religion or which manifestation of God you've been following or have accepted but how you've treated others. So it's the other way around in my opinion. It all depends on your treatment of others in other words by work alone you can be saved. Paul was a very depressed individual due to his internal conflict and guilt. So he came up with this quote to vindicate his own personal weakness. It's all about your deed not lip service.
Jimbo,
COME BACK!
We need you here.
All is takes for evil to prosper is for the good to do nothing.
I'm not saying anyone here is evil, it's just a concept.
So stay and post what you will. Don't let anyone chase you away.
Let me just say this to all:
A GOOD TREE IS KNOWN BY ITS FRUIT.
A good Christian shares his love for God and tends to make others feel good about posting an about themselves.
Persons that think they know everything and must teach everyone else are sometimes irritating.
Well... maybe they're still learning? Maybe they need more time to understand how the Kingdom of God functions?
Maybe we could try to make them understand??
You leaving accomplishes nothing. So come back...
COME BACK!
We need you here.
All is takes for evil to prosper is for the good to do nothing.
I'm not saying anyone here is evil, it's just a concept.
So stay and post what you will. Don't let anyone chase you away.
Let me just say this to all:
A GOOD TREE IS KNOWN BY ITS FRUIT.
A good Christian shares his love for God and tends to make others feel good about posting an about themselves.
Persons that think they know everything and must teach everyone else are sometimes irritating.
Well... maybe they're still learning? Maybe they need more time to understand how the Kingdom of God functions?
Maybe we could try to make them understand??
You leaving accomplishes nothing. So come back...
There is no satan. Just another reason for people to blame their lower nature upon. Remember God don't make mistakes. Even if we believe the creation of the devil according to the Bible, then he'd have been God servant and not his own ruler. So all that lucifer story in genesis is just a boogeyman story. Ask yourself this question. Who did God tell about this so called celestial polity? Just because those ppl were around many thousand years ago doesn't make them credible or anything. That's why God gave us a mind to assess what is seemingly or not.
Hi HolySun
Not many have done this study.
You're correct actually, but then again, maybe not.
Jesus is God. He is the FIRST ONE we are to listen to. When there's some conflict in scripture, for instance:
Works vs. No Works
we should always go to Jesus and see what HE said. He said to do works.
Then we read Paul. Paul was the first theologian of the Christian faith. He studied for over 3 years before he wrote anything. He interviewed the Apostles and many others. He thought and thought and put everything together. The book of Romans is the greatest book in the N.T. It has all the theology (the study of God) one needs to know to follow the Christian faith.
In Luke 22:20, the Last Supper, we're told by Jesus that we are to drink the wine, His blood of the New Covenant.
The N.C. of Jeremiah 31:31. What exactly was this New Covenant? It took Paul to explain it to us.
The problem is that it's not easy to understand how we are dead to the Law and yet we are to keep the Law.
If we're dead to the Law, why should we keep it? This sounds very simple unless it's studied for a long time and understood really well.
WE ARE UNDER THE LAW. The Moral Law was not abolished. Jesus Himself said this.
So it would behoove us to understand what Paul is talking about.
It's not something that could be done here.
But it's important to understand.
Paul DOES NOT say that we are not to work. He says that WE ARE NOT SLAVES. Big difference.
Most like to ready the first chapters of Romans but do not like the last chapters.
All of Romans must be read. The last chapters tell us what we must DO.
Even though DOING is not what saves us. See --- it's not easy at all.
Not many have done this study.
You're correct actually, but then again, maybe not.
Jesus is God. He is the FIRST ONE we are to listen to. When there's some conflict in scripture, for instance:
Works vs. No Works
we should always go to Jesus and see what HE said. He said to do works.
Then we read Paul. Paul was the first theologian of the Christian faith. He studied for over 3 years before he wrote anything. He interviewed the Apostles and many others. He thought and thought and put everything together. The book of Romans is the greatest book in the N.T. It has all the theology (the study of God) one needs to know to follow the Christian faith.
In Luke 22:20, the Last Supper, we're told by Jesus that we are to drink the wine, His blood of the New Covenant.
The N.C. of Jeremiah 31:31. What exactly was this New Covenant? It took Paul to explain it to us.
The problem is that it's not easy to understand how we are dead to the Law and yet we are to keep the Law.
If we're dead to the Law, why should we keep it? This sounds very simple unless it's studied for a long time and understood really well.
WE ARE UNDER THE LAW. The Moral Law was not abolished. Jesus Himself said this.
So it would behoove us to understand what Paul is talking about.
It's not something that could be done here.
But it's important to understand.
Paul DOES NOT say that we are not to work. He says that WE ARE NOT SLAVES. Big difference.
Most like to ready the first chapters of Romans but do not like the last chapters.
All of Romans must be read. The last chapters tell us what we must DO.
Even though DOING is not what saves us. See --- it's not easy at all.
