Not By Works
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Think People. If jesus faith was IMPUTED to me, I would
1. Be perfect
2. never sin again
3. Never lack faith (because I now have his faith which was proven to be perfect)
4. Would not need to grow.
5. Would not need to learn to trust the father, I have Jesus faith, which means I trust God as much as he does.
again, THINK.
1. Be perfect
2. never sin again
3. Never lack faith (because I now have his faith which was proven to be perfect)
4. Would not need to grow.
5. Would not need to learn to trust the father, I have Jesus faith, which means I trust God as much as he does.
again, THINK.
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Many, many more...We are to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ to be saved.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Many, many more...We are to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ to be saved.
Acts 3:16, another "3:16" to remember. 
It shows, for those who care, that faith comes from (dia, διά) Christ, not self. It is easy to derive from this it is his faith as well. He had faith in his Father, in his humanity while here on earth so it is not incorrect to say it is his faith, imho.
We all have obtained faith, it is not inherent; 2 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 1:19. People who are saying faith isn't a gift from God, while preaching at the same time it is of and from Christ?
Well, just think about that for a minute.
If ("since" really) it came from Christ, it didn't come from you, and thus it is a gift of God granted us; Philippians 1:29.
Not sure why so many fight against this truth, then preach all of salvation is from God, "...except for that part, I did that, and, oh yeah, I did that part too." lolzzzz...
It shows, for those who care, that faith comes from (dia, διά) Christ, not self. It is easy to derive from this it is his faith as well. He had faith in his Father, in his humanity while here on earth so it is not incorrect to say it is his faith, imho.
We all have obtained faith, it is not inherent; 2 Peter 2:1; Ephesians 1:19. People who are saying faith isn't a gift from God, while preaching at the same time it is of and from Christ?
Well, just think about that for a minute.
If ("since" really) it came from Christ, it didn't come from you, and thus it is a gift of God granted us; Philippians 1:29.
Not sure why so many fight against this truth, then preach all of salvation is from God, "...except for that part, I did that, and, oh yeah, I did that part too." lolzzzz...
Romans 3
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
The righteousness of God came through the faith of Jesus Christ. The righteousness of God was on display through the faith of Jesus Christ, His testimony. I now have His testimony upon me. It declares that I am righteous!
Am I righteous here on earth? Spiritually? Yes.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
The righteousness of God came through the faith of Jesus Christ. The righteousness of God was on display through the faith of Jesus Christ, His testimony. I now have His testimony upon me. It declares that I am righteous!
Am I righteous here on earth? Spiritually? Yes.
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Again, I am done with this nonsense. Believe what you want.
This is it
Rom 3 (nkjv)
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; It is the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD which is given THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS to ALL AND ON ALL WHO BELIEVE.
Not FAITH OF JESUS.
This is it
Rom 3 (nkjv)
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; It is the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD which is given THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS to ALL AND ON ALL WHO BELIEVE.
Not FAITH OF JESUS.
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yes, Because God did all the work. Otherwise we would have to have faith in self. And work very hard to live up to Gods standard.
If I am drowning, I have to trust myself to save myself. Or if someone comes to save me, I have to let go of self. And trust in him to do the work to save me.
His rescuing me is a gift. But I have to trust him, if I do not and continue to try to save myself, I will die.
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maybe i confused john with chester
i missed most the posts today
is john saying that someones works
keep
or
provide
salvation?
i wouldnt argue that Jesus perfect faith is part of the righteousness that will be imputed to those who believe on Him
but that is kind of a non issue if you are trusting in Him and are born again
right?
im not trusting in my faith to save me like i earned salvation through my faith
im trusting that Jesus will impute HIS righteousness to me on judgement day
i missed most the posts today
is john saying that someones works
keep
or
provide
salvation?
i wouldnt argue that Jesus perfect faith is part of the righteousness that will be imputed to those who believe on Him
but that is kind of a non issue if you are trusting in Him and are born again
right?
im not trusting in my faith to save me like i earned salvation through my faith
im trusting that Jesus will impute HIS righteousness to me on judgement day
J
Actually Perfect faith doesn't equal perfect person,all perfect faith or wholly trusting Jesus means is that you would do all you could for God/Jesus knowing that he blesses while you stay strong in faith for him,it doesn't change that we aren't perfect due to sin,because even David a man after God's heart had perfect faith but yet he was susceptible to sin.
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hahaha
well i agree with that
even though faith in itself was a gift
i think that this whole debate should have its own thread maybe
i was just checkin in to see if anyone was trusting in themself to meet the mark
may God bless everyone here with patience and wisdom
and maybe bring some peace
back to work
well i agree with that
even though faith in itself was a gift
i think that this whole debate should have its own thread maybe
i was just checkin in to see if anyone was trusting in themself to meet the mark
may God bless everyone here with patience and wisdom
and maybe bring some peace
back to work