Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Good morning to those of the truth.....I thank God I am still secure in the hands of the savior by faith..Jesus is the beginner, finisher and completes the work of faith in me and i am kept by the power of GOD.....all based upon FAITH.....

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works of the law!

Look what Paul wrote under inspiration which some workers for and deceivers reject....

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

katara: a curse​

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Original Word: κατάρα, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katara
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ar'-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, cursing
Definition: cursing; a curse; meton: a doomed one.

A man led of the spirit of GOD would not reject the inspired word and then stand against it as some have done in this thread concerning the above truth!

 

[Rosemaryx]

Good morning to those of the truth.....I thank God I am still secure in the hands of the savior by faith..Jesus is the beginner, finisher and completes the work of faith in me and i am kept by the power of GOD.....all based upon FAITH.....

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works of the law!

Look what Paul wrote under inspiration which some workers for and deceivers reject....

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

katara: a curse​

Original Word: κατάρα, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katara
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ar'-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, cursing
Definition: cursing; a curse; meton: a doomed one.

A man led of the spirit of GOD would not reject the inspired word and then stand against it as some have done in this thread concerning the above truth!

Good afternoon DCon from a beautiful windy sunny England...Our God is not a God of confusion...Not only is the truth being denied by some , to be honest i just scroll by it all , but that is easy for me to do because the awful anger is not raged at me...

I have noticed that a certain member seems to have it all out for you , his hatred is spilling over the thread and it is all aimed at you...We are told Dcon that we should shake the dust from our feet and move on , not to waste precious time on those who do not have ears to hear...Such hatred is normally caused by someone who is full of envy , you have something he does not , this thread and people who follow in the name of our LORD...

Anyway brother , just sending some sisterly love your way , in Jesus name Amen...P.S...I do believe this man will eventually be given enough rope...xox...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hi decon, I made a request for the Moderators to look into these nonstop false claims of poster Seohce. Hopefully they will put a stop to his maligning your good name. Honestly I wish more poster would put Seohce on report for these false allegations against you. Its way past time that these things should come to an end. Also include The thread name, the page# and the post#.

God bless!

Another poster would do this, We would report him all the time, he finally got banned because he made an error in bringing Dcons personal life into it, and posted a lie about a supposed tweet or something that supposedly dcon made which was proven wrong.

Sadly we just have to deal with these people. until they do something that is against the rules. Best thing to do is ignore and not give an audience.

 

[dcontroversal]

Good afternoon DCon from a beautiful windy sunny England...Our God is not a God of confusion...Not only is the truth being denied by some , to be honest i just scroll by it all , but that is easy for me to do because the awful anger is not raged at me...

I have noticed that a certain member seems to have it all out for you , his hatred is spilling over the thread and it is all aimed at you...We are told Dcon that we should shake the dust from our feet and move on , not to waste precious time on those who do not have ears to hear...Such hatred is normally caused by someone who is full of envy , you have something he does not , this thread and people who follow in the name of our LORD...

Anyway brother , just sending some sisterly love your way , in Jesus name Amen...P.S...I do believe this man will eventually be given enough rope...xox...

Amen Rose and thank you for your stance in Christ and the wisdom of your post.....and right back at ya my friend

 

[Shamah]

Is seeking to do His will "working"?

Psalm 103:19-21, "יהוה has established His throne in the heavens, And His reign shall rule over all. Bless יהוה, you His messengers, Mighty in power, who do His Word, Listening to the voice of His Word. Bless יהוה, all you His hosts, You His servants, who do His pleasure."

Round and round we go...laa lalal llallala llallalalala

Look....one last time....THE LAW POINTS TO GUILT and CONDEMNS before GOD.

THOSE who TRUST JESUS are set FREE from the CONDEMNATION of the LAW because they have had the RIGHTEOUSNESS of CHRIST imputed ETERNALLY BY FAITH without THE WORKS OF THE LAW.

THAT which proves GUILT will NEVER make a MAN righteous before GOD.....and there is NOT A MAN or WOMAN that KEEPS IT....

YOU are a LAWBREAKER and as LONG as you PACK sinful flesh YOU will never KEEP the LAW, nor HAVE YOU KEPT THE LAW EVER....

SO....YOU are NOT a HEBREW, YOU ARE A GENTILE who was NEVER under the LAW, HIS name is JESUS and he saves his people from their SINS....NO MATTER how many times you push this DRIVEL, posts walls and walls of LAW KEEPING TEXT it does NOT change the facts on the ground.......

IF YOU want to place yourself UNDER THE LAW I SUGGEST HEBREWS...because YOU are placing yourself under and INFERIOR WAY that proves YOUR GUILT and before you attempt to BLEND FAITH and LAW to remain RIGHTEOUS I suggest GALATIANS...because the cafe BLEND you push = a FALSE, DOUBLE CURSED NON-GOSPEL which has NO POWER to save a flea, much less a MAN and ALL who push such a dogma are DOUBLE CURSED by PAUL under inspiration!

ALl insults.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and the belief of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according to his work. “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.”


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[TruthTalk]

Good morning to those of the truth.....I thank God I am still secure in the hands of the savior by faith..Jesus is the beginner, finisher and completes the work of faith in me and i am kept by the power of GOD.....all based upon FAITH.....

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works of the law!

Look what Paul wrote under inspiration which some workers for and deceivers reject....

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

katara: a curse​

Original Word: κατάρα, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: katara
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ar'-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, cursing
Definition: cursing; a curse; meton: a doomed one.

A man led of the spirit of GOD would not reject the inspired word and then stand against it as some have done in this thread concerning the above truth!

Amen decon, as the old saying goes, learn the true and the false will become evident. Federal Agents are taught to recognize counterfeit currency by, "discernment." First they learn to recognize the true by a phrase they use called, “touch, tilt, look at, look through.” and thereby they are taught through training and discernment to recognize the counterfeit currency by recognizing the true.

Anyone can be trained to spot fake currency even folks like you and I. Christians have the Holy Spirit who will teach us "all things" John14:26, so that we can spot a fake Christian or a counterfeit gospel,
= a counterfeit Christ.

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit: John14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Counterfeit Detection: Part-1
Quote: Training in identifying counterfeit currency begins with studying genuine money. “Federal agents don’t learn to spot counterfeit money by studying the counterfeits. They study genuine bills until they master the look of the real thing. Then when they see the bogus money they recognize it.”

"To summarized the approach to distinguishing a genuine bill with the phrase, “touch, tilt, look at, look through.” The first step then, is to touch the bill. Because currency is printed on unique cotton-based paper, a false bill will often feel false."

Attribute: https://www.challies.com/articles/counterfeit-detection-part-1/

 

[VCO]

I gave him the appropriate answer TWICE, and now I am convinced that he is ignoring my posts, ref: #60153. So now he will go on my permanent IGNORE LIST. His posts are not worth the EFFORTS of answering him.

 

[dcontroversal]

ALl insults.

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."




Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according to his work. “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.”

All insults...really...let us list the facts that I listed and see how stating facts are insults...

a. Are you a HEBREW or JEWISH by birth?
b. Are you a Gentile by birth?
c. Does the law point to guilt and condemn before God?
d. Are those in Christ by faith set free from the condemnation of the law?
e. Does anyone keep the law and or never sin?
f. Are you a law breaker?
g. Are you as a Gentile under the law in the same sense the Hebrews were?
h. Is his name JESUS and does he save his people from their sins?
i. Does incessantly posting scriptures about the law change the facts on the ground concerning grace?
j. Does Hebrews teach Hebrew Christians that were wanting to go back under the law that they were going back under an inferior way?
k. Does Galatians clearly teaches a faith law blend as false, double cursed and no power!

What offended you?...everything I posted was truth...are you offended by the truth? or that easily offended that you would call the FACTS insults?.....if so...you have major issues with GOD and the truth!

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen decon, as the old saying goes, learn the true and the false will become evident. Federal Agents are taught to recognize counterfeit currency by, "discernment." First they learn to recognize the true by a phrase they use called, “touch, tilt, look at, look through.” and thereby they are taught through training and discernment to recognize the counterfeit currency by recognizing the true.

Anyone can be trained to spot fake currency even folks like you and I. Christians have the Holy Spirit who will teach us "all things" John14:26, so that we can spot a fake Christian or a counterfeit gospel,
= a counterfeit Christ.

Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit: John14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Counterfeit Detection: Part-1
Quote: Training in identifying counterfeit currency begins with studying genuine money. “Federal agents don’t learn to spot counterfeit money by studying the counterfeits. They study genuine bills until they master the look of the real thing. Then when they see the bogus money they recognize it.”

"To summarized the approach to distinguishing a genuine bill with the phrase, “touch, tilt, look at, look through.” The first step then, is to touch the bill. Because currency is printed on unique cotton-based paper, a false bill will often feel false."

Attribute: https://www.challies.com/articles/counterfeit-detection-part-1/

AMEN bro....keep swinging and glad your feeling a little bit better......

 

[TruthTalk]

One last word about "Fake Christians", not all who name the name of Christ are Christians. Fake Christians are cowards through and through. They cannot take the heat and when in danger they will run. Present the truth to them and they run like a scaredy-cat, and lastly whom ever they come in contact with beware.

If by a miracle of God they confess their sin and repent God can still save them, so there is still a remote chance of salvation.

 

[dcontroversal]

At the end of the day, many are called, but few chosen.....and the absolute truth is......it is the "few in number" that find the one true way.....the minority teaches saved by grace through faith eternally without any works attached to gain, keep or maintain salvation.....the majority teach a cafe blend of faith and works to gain, keep or maintain it.........

NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE< but according to his mercy has he saved us.

END OF STORY......

 

[VCO]

ALl insults.

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."




Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And see, I am coming speedily, and My reward is with Me, to give to each according to his work. “I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last. Blessed are those doing His commands, so that the authority shall be theirs unto the tree of life, and to enter through the gates into the city. But outside are the dogs and those who enchant with drugs, and those who whore, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and all who love and do falsehood.”

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WHY HAS NOT THE LAW PASSED AWAY?


Romans 3:20 (CSBBible)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For no one will be justified in his sight by the works of the law, because the knowledge of sin comes through the law.


So then, the LAW CONTINUES, not that anyone will ever be JUSTIFIED by works of the law, it's soul purpose is to bring those who are destined to be SAVED, to REPENTANCE, thereby that initial SAVING FAITH, we will received HIM out of LOVE, as LORD, which means MASTER.

 

[Seohce]

Matthew 4:1-11 The Temptation of Jesus Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the devil. After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘MAN DOES NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, but on EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD.’” Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “‘He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’” Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’” Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “AWAY FROM ME SATAN! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

 

[Seohce]

John 4:1-6 Test the Spirits Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

[Seohce]

Matthew 13:11-15 He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

 

[dcontroversal]

[FONT=&quot]That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved[/FONT]

 

[dcontroversal]

[FONT=&quot]For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith[/FONT]

 

[dcontroversal]

[FONT=&quot]So that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.[/FONT]

 

[Endoscopy]

Amen brother and I agree.....tragic indeed.....

Most of the time you two ignore the relationship between faith and works.
The issue is as the Bible in James states, "Faith without works is dead.

Faith with works is valid faith.
Faith without works is dead faith.
As Paul stated" I show you my faith with my works."
Faith with works saves.
Faith without works is doesn't save.

Therefore faith saves only with the resulting works.
At 73 and a Christian all of my life I have seen the new Christians have more fire in the belly to get others to believe. Why is this? I have been in several classes teaching how to witness. These programs last a few months and fade away.

 

[UnderGrace]

Faith with works saves.

Can you give a percentage breakdown on this, is it a 50 - 50 split.... 25 - 75 split, this always comes to my mind when people mix faith and works as a combination for salvation?

Most of the time you two ignore the relationship between faith and works.
The issue is as the Bible in James states, "Faith without works is dead.

Faith with works is valid faith.
Faith without works is dead faith.
As Paul stated" I show you my faith with my works."
Faith with works saves.
Faith without works is doesn't save.

Therefore faith saves only with the resulting works.
At 73 and a Christian all of my life I have seen the new Christians have more fire in the belly to get others to believe. Why is this? I have been in several classes teaching how to witness. These programs last a few months and fade away.