="BillG, post: 3690933, member: 252071"]
I think you are just mocking me, but just in case you are serious. My point is once a man breaks a law he is guilty. It doesn't matter if he spends the rest of his days in obedience to that Law, he is still guilty for breaking it and the penalty must be dealt with. If I kill someone, I am going to jail. It doesn't matter if I never kill again, that penalty must be paid. Nothing I can do will reverse the penalty. If I am to receive mercy, it must come from a power greater than I, because there is nothing I can do to free myself from the consequences of my lawless action.
Do you understand this point?
Yes, for instance, in Paul's time, the Mainstream Preachers, the Pharisees, were preaching that it is still necessary to perform the Sacrificial ceremonial Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for removal of sins. This included various animals which were killed then the Levite Priests would perform rituals and sprinkle this blood on the Alter, according to the Law of the Priesthood for atonement of sins. These Priests refused all the scriptures in the Law and Prophets which talked about how God required obedience not sacrifices and the New Covenant where the Messiah would cleanse sins with His own Blood. And administer God's Laws Himself, no more Levite Priests to filter His Word (Jer. 31) All the Scriptures speaking of Gentiles (Uncircumcised by definition) would be brought in His Fold. These Preachers judged much of God's Word as beneath them, and they "omitted" them from their religion as Jesus said.
Since they rejected much of God's Word, they didn't know Him when He came to them as did Zechariah. So given they didn't believe He was their Messiah they were still relying on sacrificial "Works of the Law" for the atonement of sins. They rejected the only "Blood" that could cleanse them.
Is this not true according to scriptures?
The Pharisees were not keeping the "weightier matters of the Law". These they should have done, and not left the other undone. Had they "glorified God as God" they would have done as Zechariahs did, and they would have known Jesus when He came to them. This is why they didn't receive Mercy. They thought they were already saved, they believed they were "Children of God", but they reject His Words, and worse, they discredited, persecuted, and placed on permanent ignore anyone who showed them the parts of God's Laws they rejected.
This act infuriates religious men who call Him Lord, but refuse to do what He says. This anger from religious man has been going on since Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother.
It is customary for religious man to take their anger and resentment towards God, out on those who show them His Words. It was the Christ who said:
Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead
Not me, but this verse and many more, do anger a lot of folks on this forum.
I generally make it a habit not to judge God's Words. I know it is popular in Mainstream Christianity to do such things. My place is to believe what is written.
Since my word's mean nothing, I will answer with the inspired Word's of the Word which became Flesh.
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
So we can see that Paul also chooses to believe Moses and the Prophets, not judge them. What does Paul say about these Laws.
Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
So clearly Paul understood the Commandment and He also believed in it. I broke God's Sabbath, or I stole, or I stole, and I was put to death just like God Commanded. Remember, Paul did say that the Law is Spiritual.
So full circle, I rebelled against God, these motions killed me as it is written, so here we are at the beginning of this post.
Now I can keep God's Sabbath every week, never kill again ever, never steal again, ever. But will those "works" save me from the death my motions brought forth?
No Billy. Nothing "I" can do will erase this death from me. There is only ONE who can remove this penalty.
So let's say this ONE does remove this penalty. What now?
Rom. 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law,(Killed by it) but under grace (Alive)? God forbid.
I'm sorry Billy, I don't think this is confusing at all, it makes perfect sense with me and the entire Bible agrees front and back. It does go against what many religious men teach, but who should care about what some religious man teaches when we all have God's Words at our finger tip?
Do you understand this point?
Yes, for instance, in Paul's time, the Mainstream Preachers, the Pharisees, were preaching that it is still necessary to perform the Sacrificial ceremonial Levitical Priesthood "Works of the Law" for removal of sins. This included various animals which were killed then the Levite Priests would perform rituals and sprinkle this blood on the Alter, according to the Law of the Priesthood for atonement of sins. These Priests refused all the scriptures in the Law and Prophets which talked about how God required obedience not sacrifices and the New Covenant where the Messiah would cleanse sins with His own Blood. And administer God's Laws Himself, no more Levite Priests to filter His Word (Jer. 31) All the Scriptures speaking of Gentiles (Uncircumcised by definition) would be brought in His Fold. These Preachers judged much of God's Word as beneath them, and they "omitted" them from their religion as Jesus said.
Since they rejected much of God's Word, they didn't know Him when He came to them as did Zechariah. So given they didn't believe He was their Messiah they were still relying on sacrificial "Works of the Law" for the atonement of sins. They rejected the only "Blood" that could cleanse them.
Is this not true according to scriptures?
The Pharisees were not keeping the "weightier matters of the Law". These they should have done, and not left the other undone. Had they "glorified God as God" they would have done as Zechariahs did, and they would have known Jesus when He came to them. This is why they didn't receive Mercy. They thought they were already saved, they believed they were "Children of God", but they reject His Words, and worse, they discredited, persecuted, and placed on permanent ignore anyone who showed them the parts of God's Laws they rejected.
This act infuriates religious men who call Him Lord, but refuse to do what He says. This anger from religious man has been going on since Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother.
It is customary for religious man to take their anger and resentment towards God, out on those who show them His Words. It was the Christ who said:
Luke 16:
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead
Not me, but this verse and many more, do anger a lot of folks on this forum.
I generally make it a habit not to judge God's Words. I know it is popular in Mainstream Christianity to do such things. My place is to believe what is written.
Since my word's mean nothing, I will answer with the inspired Word's of the Word which became Flesh.
Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
So we can see that Paul also chooses to believe Moses and the Prophets, not judge them. What does Paul say about these Laws.
Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
So clearly Paul understood the Commandment and He also believed in it. I broke God's Sabbath, or I stole, or I stole, and I was put to death just like God Commanded. Remember, Paul did say that the Law is Spiritual.
So full circle, I rebelled against God, these motions killed me as it is written, so here we are at the beginning of this post.
Now I can keep God's Sabbath every week, never kill again ever, never steal again, ever. But will those "works" save me from the death my motions brought forth?
No Billy. Nothing "I" can do will erase this death from me. There is only ONE who can remove this penalty.
So let's say this ONE does remove this penalty. What now?
Rom. 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law,(Killed by it) but under grace (Alive)? God forbid.
I'm sorry Billy, I don't think this is confusing at all, it makes perfect sense with me and the entire Bible agrees front and back. It does go against what many religious men teach, but who should care about what some religious man teaches when we all have God's Words at our finger tip?
