Not By Works

[Seohce]

Titus 3:5 He saved us not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Ghost,


THE RIHTEOUSNEßS OF THE JEWS WAS THROUGH THE LAW.


Deuteronomy 6:24-25 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, THAT WILL BE OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”


THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRISTIANS (NEW CREATION/MAN) IS THROUGH FAITH.


Romans 9:30-32 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, A RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT IS BY FAITH; but ISRAEL, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as if it were by works. THEY stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”


“NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAD DONE" REFERS TO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE JEWS WHICH WAS THROUGH THE LAW. (titus 3:5, eph 2:8-9)


PAUL’S QUESTION IS:


Romans 3:31 Do we, then, NULLIFY the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.


HE ALSO SAID,


Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith NULLIFY God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”


GOD PUTS AND WRITES THE LAW IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS.


Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.


Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”


...NOT JUST TO THE JEWS WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE FLESH BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE HEART.


Romans 2:28-29 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.


AND CHRISTIANS ARE ABLE TO FULFILL AND UPHOLD THE LAW IN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS BECAUSE OF THE LOVE THAT WAS POURED INTO THEIR HEARTS.


Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because GOD HAS POURED OUT HIS LOVE INTO OUR HEARTS by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.


AND THEREFORE, “LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.”(romans 13:10)


1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.


1 John 5:2-3 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,


2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE; THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.


Romans 10:9-10 That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your HEART that you BELIEVE and are JUSTIFIED, and it is with your MOUTH that you CONFESS and are SAVED.


1 John 3:18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH.


Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be FULLY MET IN US, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.


John 14:15 “IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL OBEY WHAT I COMMAND.”


Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.


17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; 18how that they told you THERE SHOULD BE MOCKERS IN THE LAST TIME, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 19These be they who separate themselves, sensual, HAVING NOT THE SPIRIT.

 

[Lillywolf]

My point is that if we do not obey, at some point we will be disciplined. God wants us to obey Him as we want our children to obey.

I think everyone has their own opinion of what it means to walk in the spirit of Christ.
I also do not think God would have called us if he did not preordain our steps so as to be in his service.

 

[posthuman]

This isn't true. We don't die to the Law so we can serve the Law again. We would be marrying the same old woman. But we are called into new marriage with the LIVING GOD.

amen,

Romans 7:4
Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to Him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

 

[VCO]

My point is that if we do not obey, at some point we will be disciplined. God wants us to obey Him as we want our children to obey.

Very good post, but you need to add: God wants us to obey Him out of LOVE for HIM. It is not THAT we Obey, it is WHY WE OBEY that God is concerned about. Also, GOD does not Spank the Devil's kids.

 

[Lillywolf]

Very good post, but you need to add: God wants us to obey Him out of LOVE for HIM. It is not THAT we Obey, it is WHY WE OBEY that God is concerned about. Also, GOD does not Spank the Devil's kids.

Two questions.
As relates to the remark about the Devil's kids. Who then does spank them?
And as relates to the first observation. Do we obey out of love? Or fear of hell if we don't?

 

[Studyman]

do you know the scriptures as well as you boast?

Romans 11:32
For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.

Galatians 3:22-23
But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed.

Yes, as Jesus said: Rebellion and disobedience come from within, and defiles us, kills us. AS Paul said, the penalty is so great that we would know how "EXCEEDINGLY" sinful it is to reject God's Instructions and trust our own mind as Eve did hers.

God allowed our natural self to guide our footsteps so we can all fall and learn that man does not live by BREAD alone, but By EVERY Word of God. IF we want to live forever, we will let HIM guide our footsteps. We will choose HIS WAYS over the religious traditions of man. We will follow HIS INSTRUCTIONS, not the Pope, or Jimmy Swaggert.

He said most will not "walk therein" because people just really don't believe in the God of the Bible, choosing instead to listen to "other" voices which pray on the natural selfishness and wickedness of mankind.

first it must convince them they are already immortal, then it must convince them that God created instructions to imprison you and keep you blind.

Some will even go so far as to say Jesus came to remove God's Holy instructions all together. Others will imply that the reason Jesus rejected the Mainstream Preachers of His time is because they were trying to please God by obeying Him. And people actually believe it.

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,


I do know the scriptures Post. That is really all I know. Religious traditions come and go but God's Word's last forever. It makes sense to me to dwell on His Word's and not all the different voices out there telling me obedience to God is somehow dishonor to the Messiah.

 

[Studyman]

This isn't true. We don't die to the Law so we can serve the Law again. We would be marrying the same old woman. But we are called into new marriage with the LIVING GOD.

Did you "die to the Law" because you kept it? Or because you rejected it? Have you actually been convinced that before "repentance" you were following the instructions of the Christ, but after repentance you are free to create your own religion?

Have you actually been convinced that God Spiritually had you killed because you honored Him by striving to "serve" Him with all your heart, soul and mind?

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Have you been convinced as Eve that God knows you will be blind and in prison as long as you honor Him with obedience, but the day you reject His instructions, THEN you will know the truth.

My goodness Cee, do you even read what you post?

 

[Shamah]

Why do you mock me?

I asked a simple question and the possible consequences as a result.
You then go to an extreme and use stealing.
Now everyone knows stealing is a sin.
The majority of people on here probably have no idea what a tzitzit and it's purpose and relevance today.

But not everyone knows whether not wearing a tzitzit is a sin, which you related to Posthuman that if you did not wear it then it's a sin



So if I do not wear one then I am sinning and if I feel it's not relevant to me to wear then I am willfully sinning.

Hence "Am I codemned?

Thanks for LOL at me.

You are connecting dots that I have not even hinted at. I didn t mean to be rude, my loling was directed toward the IMO unrealisitice view of my words, Im trying to get my point across that other "sins" if I say they are sin im not condemming but if it;s a "sin" that one dosent care about then it condemnation.

And again your making a false connection when you say a = b therefroe = c...

Calling a sin a sin is not condemnation, this is the modern grace perversion where "those in Messiah" can NEVER ever ever tell another anything thay do is sin or it;s hateful, judgemental and condemnation... To this I say LOL, because it is silly...

this is an examople of a lack of reading, understanding and binding the Instructions to ones hand (actions) and head (mind), aka effects of antinomianisim, because of one studied the Instructions they wouold know this:

Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."



Proverbs 24:25-26, "But he who rebukes the wicked will be a delight, and a righteous blessing will be called upon him. A fitting; appropriate, answer is like a kiss on the lips."



Luke 17:3-4, “So be on your guard! If your brother trespasses against you, rebuke him! But if he repents, forgive him! And if he trespasses against you seven times in one day, and seven times in that day turns to you, and says; I repent; then you must forgive him.”


but most say Im led by the Spirit, well the word is the Spirit:

Isaiah 59:21, “As for Me, this is My covenant with them,” said יהוה: “My Spirit that is upon you, and My Words that I have put in your mouth, shall not be withdrawn from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your descendants, nor from the mouth of your descendants’ descendants,” said יהוה, “from this time and forever.”

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

So His Spirit would line up with His word not worldly comfort and common doctrine.... Honestly, calling a sin a sin is not condemnation, not calling a sin a sin is against His Instructions...

 

[Limey410v2]

I've been married to the same old woman for 24 years

Although every day when we wake up it's like the day we got married.
We continue to walk in the vows we made before God.

Similar to the vows Jesus made to us.

You da man!! Seriously in today's "disposable" society that surely is an accomplishment. Kudos to your wife

 

[Shamah]

come now Hiz. we've had this conversation before.
first paragraph of Romans 7.
Romans chapter 6.

not one single yodh needs to be changed or removed from the Law in order for someone who has died to no longer be under it.

Just becaue you state a different view does not mean I instantly take your view as mine, I have posted many psaages that show different and they get ignored...Yes we have had this convo before, you ONLY use Paul nad 2 Peter him IMO... You can say whaever you want, I know what YHWH has spoken through prophets of old, I know the original language and I know how it was fulfilled in the Messiah. I will take Yah's way... You know a similar but different thing is the "Holi"days... You know Im so so, ohh so wrong if I do the Holy days in the Scrptures that are 100% about the Messiah and His works and have their origins 100% from YHWH, yet if I do the fake pagan version Christmas and Easter that have nothing to do with the Messiah and are 100% founded in pagan false religion the world will not have any issuse, I will fiut just is because it is commonly accepted traditional doctrine.... SO different subject but similar in that one is from Yah the other is from traditional teaching... I will take Yah thank you.

Also about Haggar being the slave to the Law, umm did you ever think that Israel wa given the Law not Ismael?


LOL read Ps 105 again:

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”

 

[star]

Very good post, but you need to add: God wants us to obey Him out of LOVE for HIM. It is not THAT we Obey, it is WHY WE OBEY that God is concerned about. Also, GOD does not Spank the Devil's kids.

Of course, God wants us to obey Him out of our love for Him. Good point for you to make. I also believe He wants us to obey Him in order for us to follow His plan for our lives so that we can have life abundantly while on earth.

 

[star]

I think everyone has their own opinion of what it means to walk in the spirit of Christ.
I also do not think God would have called us if he did not preordain our steps so as to be in his service.

My morning devotion was about obeying His plans for us and that if we do not, we will be disciplined at some point to bring us back into that plan. I believe God seeks to call everyone but since He gives us freedom of choice, He will not force us to obey.

 

[Shamah]

Psalm 25:8-10, “Good and upright is יהוה: therefore will he teach sinners in the way. The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way. All the paths of יהוה are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.”

Isaiah 30:20-21, “Though יהוה gave you bread of adversity and water of affliction, your Teacher shall no longer be hidden. But your eyes shall see your Teacher, and your ears hear a word behind you, saying, “This is the Way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right, or whenever you turn to the left.”

 

[posthuman]

voices out there telling me obedience to God is somehow dishonor to the Messiah.

you are literally the only person on earth i have ever heard say this, and i've heard you say it several times.

what are all these voices you say you are hearing?

 

[posthuman]

Also about Haggar being the slave to the Law, umm did you ever think that Israel wa given the Law not Ismael?

are you asking me or Paul?

or God, since He told Paul to write it?

 

[dcontroversal]

you are literally the only person on earth i have ever heard say this, and i've heard you say it several times.

what are all these voices you say you are hearing?

Nothing but another straw man false argument seriously lacking credibility and or truth....no one states that, implies that, has said that or even indicates that....states a lot about his so called obedience.....something about bearing false witness comes to mind

 

[Shamah]

I do know the scriptures Post. That is really all I know. Religious traditions come and go but God's Word's last forever. It makes sense to me to dwell on His Word's and not all the different voices out there telling me obedience to God is somehow dishonor to the Messiah.

you are literally the only person on earth i have ever heard say this, and i've heard you say it several times.

what are all these voices you say you are hearing?

I think you are either misunderstanding him or twisting his intentions... Since you cut out the rest of his post and the sentence it seems an attempt to make him look bad, but ounly you know your intention, maybe you simply misunderstood him...

All one has to do is say "the Law is not destroyed", "the Law is right", "obediance is right" etc. and accusations of "justified by works" will come. I think the voices he is talking about are those here that would by their doctrine imply that the only thing one can do to "fall from grace" is obey, seek to obey or say obedience is right...

 

[Shamah]

are you asking me or Paul?

or God, since He told Paul to write it?

I typed a response to you so clarly im talking to you, when I talk to Yah I pray I dont type on this site.

Are you debating the fact that the Law was given to Jacob/Israyl and not Ismael?

Can you provide a Scripture where YHWH gives the Law to Ismael?

 

[dcontroversal]

The absolute truth that the lawyers, Pharisees and ALL who think they obey and keep the law miss....

NO ONE keeps it, NO ONE has KEPT IT, NO ONE will KEEP IT except JESUS.....everyone else is a LAW BREAKER.....exactly why the righteousness of CHRIST MUST BE IMPUTED WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW BY FAITH.........end of story......

 

[posthuman]

it's hard for a Christian to talk to a Mormon.

they use the same vocabulary, but they use different dictionaries.