Not By Works

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
P

Pisteuo

Guest
That's quite alright to allow your conscience to be your guide in your ministry to others.
Because of my " faithing " my continually surrendered life and living a life inspired by such surrender , my conscience has been replaced with the mind of Christ .

The mind of Christ isn't like most everything else that can be parroted from scripture . It's the one thing only those who are having the experience would know what happens and what it's like .
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,368
113
John 3:16 New International Version (NIV)

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.


This is it folks.
Amen Star....keep swinging sis....!
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,368
113
Nice try rebel soldier. Ever heard of Lucifers pride and rebellion and the Son of perdition? Doesn't sound like he's obedient to authorities. Now if you're a good soldier, YOU will obey your commanding officer. Why won't you obey the Lord Jesus when He says that "if you want to ENTER LIFE, obey the commandments. (Matthew 19:17)

...“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

I am not under that which condemns....maybe you are...Grace and Faith for me.....!!!
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
8,922
4,685
113
Because of my " faithing " my continually surrendered life and living a life inspired by such surrender , my conscience has been replaced with the mind of Christ .

The mind of Christ isn't like most everything else that can be parroted from scripture . It's the one thing only those who are having the experience would know what happens and what it's like .
you still have not answered my question- why was mr. vine qualified to re-translate the N.T.

and why did mr. vine not deem the O.T. not important enough to re-translate.
 

mailmandan

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
21,723
10,508
113
55
Without Faith and faithing ( not believing ) it is impossible to please God .
Hebrews 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. I fixed it for you. ;)
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
31,329
10,407
113
"isn't it human tradition, as far as religion & justification before God, to keep a bunch of laws? to attain worthiness by our works? to establish a righteousness for ourselves? to lay out a group or ordinances and regulations, by which man says they are 'holy' if they obey them? setting up a means of comparison between men - this one is holier, he keeps more of these regulations; this one is not as holy, he fails - setting up a way for men to judge one another?"

So continuing from the last post you can see the influence of believing God killed thousands of people for breaking His Laws that you teach He never gave them.
what i see is you ((the purple bit)) completely ignoring what i said ((the green bit)), neglecting to give any context, and inserting a completely imaginary statement of your own devising ((the purple bit)) which is totally unrelated to my statement -- a strawdude, if you will -- for you to knock down.

you're arguing with a voice in your own mind, and that isn't my voice.
you're digging pits and jumping into them.
you think you understand, but you don't understand a bit, and you're making that abundantly clear to anyone who bothers to read what you post anymore. that might be just me, by this point.


and you spent all day looking for ways to make baseless personal attacks, instead of studying the scripture i asked you to look at.


if you want to make any more personal attack posts, send them to me via PM. doesn't the Bible say to approach your brother individually when you have a grievance? be a doer, not just a hearer.

be a doer, not just a boaster. study Matthew 17-18. tell me what the close of chapter 17 means.
 

fredoheaven

Senior Member
Nov 17, 2015
3,135
719
113
All I've submitted to you is the most important word concerning us in the scriptures , " pisteuo ", and the Two best Greek dictionarys definition of pisteuo , all FACTS . and all I'm giving you is my "opinion." ????

You then first misrepresent me by saying those are just my opinions and go on to build a misrepresentation of me according to you .

You've been warned , next !
Umm, your pisteou has been challenged in the matter of translation as you see it was a mistranslated word in the English but for me it's not. You go from the facts of misunderstanding using Greek Dictionary but shown to water down its meaning. I can glean from Vine but not my ultimate source of Authority. It's the Bible! I will let pass this thing and we can moved on because I see some fillers of surrender but I simply reject your warning.
 
P

Pisteuo

Guest
Hebrews 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. I fixed it for you. ;)
Umm, your pisteou has been challenged in the matter of translation as you see it was a mistranslated word in the English but for me it's not. You go from the facts of misunderstanding using Greek Dictionary but shown to water down its meaning. I can glean from Vine but not my ultimate source of Authority. It's the Bible! I will let pass this thing and we can moved on because I see some fillers of surrender but I simply reject your warning.
The source of your authority is the Bible , then why do you reject it's original texts and definitions ?

My ultimate authority is Christ , the real living person , not His words . his word and texts like Vines and Strongs " valadate " the relationship Christ has molded in me , by Faith , by faithing , by the continual surrendering of my life to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender .

You've rejected God's warning , not mine .
 

mailmandan

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
21,723
10,508
113
55
The source of your authority is the Bible , then why do you reject it's original texts and definitions ?

My ultimate authority is Christ , the real living person , not His words . his word and texts like Vines and Strongs " valadate " the relationship Christ has molded in me , by Faith , by faithing , by the continual surrendering of my life to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender .

You've rejected God's warning , not mine .
I don't reject the true definitions of pisteuo and pistis, only your faithing fallacy and also your confusion between the ROOT of salvation and the FRUIT of salvation, with the end result being salvation by works, as I already explained in post #77,441.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/not-by-works.146296/page-3873#post-3787003

I have rejected your bogus warning, not God's warning.
 

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
8,922
4,685
113
The source of your authority is the Bible , then why do you reject it's original texts and definitions ?

My ultimate authority is Christ , the real living person , not His words . his word and texts like Vines and Strongs " valadate " the relationship Christ has molded in me , by Faith , by faithing , by the continual surrendering of my life to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender .

You've rejected God's warning , not mine .
when you get done warning everyone about not believing mr. vines opinion of greek translation, maybe you explain what qualified him to re-translate the N.T.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,368
113
Umm, your pisteou has been challenged in the matter of translation as you see it was a mistranslated word in the English but for me it's not. You go from the facts of misunderstanding using Greek Dictionary but shown to water down its meaning. I can glean from Vine but not my ultimate source of Authority. It's the Bible! I will let pass this thing and we can moved on because I see some fillers of surrender but I simply reject your warning.
Amen.....as all that know the truth will do....his "faithing" garbage is exactly that...garbage!
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,368
113
J

J70x7

Guest
Post your own pic pal....I do nothing of the sort....now denying the garbage you peddle as correct doctrine...That I do with pleasure!
Galations 1:9
As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,368
113
Some of the comments by Mr. Farthing...absolutely takes the cake for something less than boot scrapings after being in the barn.....notice how much he pushes self and what he does and or has done.....very little if any Christ in his equation.....
 

mailmandan

Senior Member
Apr 7, 2014
21,723
10,508
113
55
Galations 1:9
As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.
Why don't you explain to us what YOU believe the gospel IS and also what YOU believe it means to "BELIEVE" the gospel. (Romans 1:16)
 

preacher4truth

Senior Member
Dec 28, 2016
9,171
2,715
113
This thread is a trip!

What is this? Pisstoes is telling others they're going to hell unless they listen to his message? Wow, that's not arrogant at all!
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,368
113
Because of my " faithing " my continually surrendered life and living a life inspired by such surrender , my conscience has been replaced with the mind of Christ .

The mind of Christ isn't like most everything else that can be parroted from scripture . It's the one thing only those who are having the experience would know what happens and what it's like .
You sound like Lucifer when he fell...My x 3 just in your first sentence alone tells me all I need to know about your "faithing" garbage.....!!
 
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,368
113
This thread is a trip!

What is this? Pisstoes is telling others they're going to hell unless they listen to his message? Wow, that's not arrogant at all!
Hahahha I laugh so hard when I read the bolded hahahaha.....go look at one of his posts above....MY X 3 in the 1st sentence alone.....sounds like I will x 7 in another book of the bible....!!!