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Ah yes, the nonsense is just so blatant around here...the Christians in a daze...
I could care less what a theologian has to say about the matter. Christ == God. We have faith in God, God does not need to have faith in Himself, genius. Anyone who believes that is either a liar, a lunatic, or is stuck reading a poor translation.
I could care less what a theologian has to say about the matter. Christ == God. We have faith in God, God does not need to have faith in Himself, genius. Anyone who believes that is either a liar, a lunatic, or is stuck reading a poor translation.
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You would be correct if it were a translation. It is a paraphrase being spoken in the first person plural.
For we are crucified with Christ: nevertheless we live; yet not us, but Christ liveth in us: and the life which we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of the Son of God, who loved us, and gave himself for us.
(Gal 2:20)
The clause, " The Faith of the Son of God" in the Greek is in the Genitive and should be translated as seen here with an of.
In regards to the Genitive here is an excerpt from Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes "Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from")"
For we are crucified with Christ: nevertheless we live; yet not us, but Christ liveth in us: and the life which we now live in the flesh we live by the Faith of the Son of God, who loved us, and gave himself for us.
(Gal 2:20)
The clause, " The Faith of the Son of God" in the Greek is in the Genitive and should be translated as seen here with an of.
In regards to the Genitive here is an excerpt from Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes "Genative (possession, "of"; also origin or separation, "from")"
YLT: "with Christ I have been crucified, and live no more do I, and Christ doth live in me; and that which I now live in the flesh -- in the faith I live of the Son of God, who did love me and did give himself for me;"
ESV: "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. "
You can cut the nonsense, now.
ESV: "I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. "
You can cut the nonsense, now.
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No, my fiend, what you are showing is your nature. Scripture is clear, Christ also possessed faith, he is the author of faith. Note also Acts 3:16. Your problem is you think you know everything, yet you're showing you don't grasp all that faith entails, it is not always about eternal salvation, my fiend.
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"By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see. "
Is this the verse you've been looking for? The one that does not at all support your nonsensical viewpoint?
Is this the verse you've been looking for? The one that does not at all support your nonsensical viewpoint?
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I can show you the truths that are there, but you're incapable of comprehending them.
I get it, you got your own faith and then "exercised" it and were given the gift of eternal life, um, I mean you were rewarded for your effort.
I can teach you, but I can't make you able to understand. All we have comes from Christ, he is the source. Unfortunately you don't believe.
I get it, you got your own faith and then "exercised" it and were given the gift of eternal life, um, I mean you were rewarded for your effort.
I can teach you, but I can't make you able to understand. All we have comes from Christ, he is the source. Unfortunately you don't believe.
There is no contradiction between Paul and James. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony* 
James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).
In Matthew 22:37-40, we read: Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. We cannot dissect good works from these two great commandments which are found in the law of Moses. (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18) So the not saved by "these" works (works of the law) but saved by "those" works (good works) argument is bogus.
James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).
In Matthew 22:37-40, we read: Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. We cannot dissect good works from these two great commandments which are found in the law of Moses. (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18) So the not saved by "these" works (works of the law) but saved by "those" works (good works) argument is bogus.
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Rewarded for my effort? Hell yea I am! Riches in heaven, or didn't they cover that in actor class? Salvation is freely available but there is more than that to gain.
Sidetracked by the idea of what God has in store for me...
Ok, you are speaking nonsense and you won't stop.
Christ is God, the Creator of all, the merciful and just YWHW. MAY THE I AM THAT I AM REIGN FOREVER AND EVER.
Sidetracked by the idea of what God has in store for me...
Ok, you are speaking nonsense and you won't stop.
Christ is God, the Creator of all, the merciful and just YWHW. MAY THE I AM THAT I AM REIGN FOREVER AND EVER.
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As shown in your reply Young's holds true to the Genitive Case by his use of "of".
If we are dead nevertheless we live yet it is not us that liveth, but Christ liveth in us, how is it not the Faith of the Son of God in which live? For he that is Baptized has put on Christ. As the Body of Christ, His Church, the Temple of GOD; it is He that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not us but Christ in us; the hope of glory. With man this is impossible. But with GOD all things are possible!
If we are dead nevertheless we live yet it is not us that liveth, but Christ liveth in us, how is it not the Faith of the Son of God in which live? For he that is Baptized has put on Christ. As the Body of Christ, His Church, the Temple of GOD; it is He that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not us but Christ in us; the hope of glory. With man this is impossible. But with GOD all things are possible!
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There is no contradiction between Paul and James. It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony*
James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).
In Matthew 22:37-40, we read: Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. We cannot dissect good works from these two great commandments which are found in the law of Moses. (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18) So the not saved by "these" works (works of the law) but saved by "those" works (good works) argument is bogus.
James is not using the word "justified" to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
In James 2:15-16, the example of a "work" that James gives is: "If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit?" To give a brother or sister these things needed for the body would certainly be a "good work" yet to neglect such a brother or sister and not give them the things needed for the body is to break the second great commandment "love your neighbor as yourself" (Matthew 22:39) as found written in the law of Moses (Leviticus 19:18).
In Matthew 22:37-40, we read: Jesus said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. We cannot dissect good works from these two great commandments which are found in the law of Moses. (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18) So the not saved by "these" works (works of the law) but saved by "those" works (good works) argument is bogus.
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False, it does not hold the KJV usage of 'of', it is a different of, in the sense that in the KJV it implies that Christ has faith whilst the YLT implies that Christ is the method by which we obtain faith...sort of Calvinistic, really (I do respect a lot of Calvinism, to be up front).
Anyway, your gnat-straining is rather obvious, to me at least, but I feel this may stand as a good lesson for others. Thanks, "friend"
Anyway, your gnat-straining is rather obvious, to me at least, but I feel this may stand as a good lesson for others. Thanks, "friend"
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So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits," (Matthew 7:15-20).
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