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Do you still sin daily?

If so, then your whole post is invalid.
Again, it is amazing how many think they are above sin........they do exactly what the guy was doing in 1990 at Mc Donalds in Little Rock, Arkansas on Geyer Springs road....He was blotting out all scriptures that dealt with sin in his bible....I asked him what he was doing that for and he said I no longer sin........the epitome of those who say they do not sin!
 
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Its my ipad.. It changes so much I give up looking for them all.. I usually run past 5 minute mark trying to re-edit everything.. so I gave up.
Hahahha my spelling improved after turning off the autocorrect and word deal.....hahah but while in AU i just use my phone and being all thumbs hit letters I do not intend to hit hah
 

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Do you still sin daily?

If so, then your whole post is invalid.
... My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: WHOEVER CLAIMS to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID. 1 John 2:1-6

... I tell you the truth, ANYONE WHO HAS FAITH IN ME WILL DO WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. John 14:12

BECAUSE...

... As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26

... For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also TO SUFFER FOR HIM, Philippians 1:29

...It is better, if it is God’s will, TO SUFFER FOR DOING GOOD than for doing evil. 1 Peter 3:17

... And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW THAN WHEN WE FIRST BELIEVED. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature. Romans 13:11-14


 
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Paul tells us when he speaks according to 'his own opinion', he clearly understands the difference between
his own opinion and when he is being led by The Holy Spirit, it would take an idiot not to!!! :)
when God jerks our chains, we know there, ain't no 'maybes'!!!
 

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Answer the question for all...Why is the doctrine you follow called Calvinism? Simple....why?
Actually it was known as Reformed theology by its adherents and Calvinism by lutheran detractors. Mainly over the disagreements concerning the sacrament of The Lord’s Supper . The nickname stuck it’s that simple. Also as for what Calvin taught check out The rest of the folks in the reformation. Calvin’s writing borrows from everyone. Most folks don’t know that his work like the institutes was about the reformation not necessary about his beliefs . His work was to be a introduction to Reformed beliefs not just his opinion
In fact over 60 reformers and early church writers are footnoted in the institutes including Luther Bucer, and list goes on . It really funny though that folks call it Calvinism. Calvin was just 14 studying Latin and rhetoric to be a priest under a teacher that folks today label a Calvinist. Or that early on Calvin was thrown out of Geneva over a dispute concerning the Lord ‘s Supper. For what not being Calvinistic. Yep it’s Reformed theology Calvinism is just a nickname. Also some folks use it as a rope a dope . To see what detractors label as Calvin’s work and not realize it’s not out of ignorance.

Blessings
Bill
 
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Actually it was known as Reformed theology by its adherents and Calvinism by lutheran detractors. Mainly over the disagreements concerning the sacrament of The Lord’s Supper . The nickname stuck it’s that simple. Also as for what Calvin taught check out The rest of the folks in the reformation. Calvin’s writing borrows from everyone. Most folks don’t know that his work like the institutes was about the reformation not necessary about his beliefs . His work was to be a introduction to Reformed beliefs not just his opinion
In fact over 60 reformers and early church writers are footnoted in the institutes including Luther Bucer, and list goes on . It really funny though that folks call it Calvinism. Calvin was just 14 studying Latin and rhetoric to be a priest under a teacher that folks today label a Calvinist. Or that early on Calvin was thrown out of Geneva over a dispute concerning the Lord ‘s Supper. For what not being Calvinistic. Yep it’s Reformed theology Calvinism is just a nickname. Also some folks use it as a rope a dope . To see what detractors label as Calvin’s work and not realize it’s not out of ignorance.

Blessings
Bill
Thanks for the info......at the end of the day it all boils down to if man has any choice or not......and my bible teaches choice from front to back....and that does not take away from God getting all the glory by calling, convicting, giving faith, enlightening and bringing man to the point of him confessing or denying Jesus as Lord......

thanks for the back ground history
 

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Paul tells us when he speaks according to 'his own opinion', he clearly understands the difference between his own opinion and when he is being led by The Holy Spirit, it would take an idiot not to!!! :) when God jerks our chains, we know there, ain't no 'maybes'!!
Hi oldethennew, you should tone down your unimpressive language no one should be called "an idiot" least wise not by you. Remember dear old Mom use to say, "if you don't have something nice to say don't say it."

Matthew5:22
"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.
 
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After a 2 day rabbit hunt hahhaha

Let us break down a verse.....

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.

a. Our salvation is not based upon the works of righteousness which we have done. (Past tense)

b. Our salvation is based upon MERCY

c. Our salvation is PAST TENSE before WORKS OF RIGHTOUSNESS

Notice the truth of another verse....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

This verse portrays the simplicity found in Christ.....

By the foolishness of preaching, it is PLEASING UNTO GOD to save THOSE/THEM that BELIEVE

HE that believes on the SON IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE!

That is the simplicity found in Christ...

believe = saved!
 

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After a 2 day rabbit hunt hahhaha

Let us break down a verse.....

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy has he saved us.

a. Our salvation is not based upon the works of righteousness which we have done. (Past tense)

b. Our salvation is based upon MERCY

c. Our salvation is PAST TENSE before WORKS OF RIGHTOUSNESS

Notice the truth of another verse....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

This verse portrays the simplicity found in Christ.....

By the foolishness of preaching, it is PLEASING UNTO GOD to save THOSE/THEM that BELIEVE

HE that believes on the SON IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE!

That is the simplicity found in Christ...

believe = saved!

mek dem know :)

 

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Have you Believed a FICTITIOUS account about the MAGI at JESUS' Birth?

Do you recognize this picture?

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How about this picture?



Or this picture?



THEY ARE ALL FAKE PICTURES OF TELLING THE STORY WRONG, OF THE MAGI WHO CAME TO HONOR THE NEW BORN KING WITH HOMAGE.
The artists that painted them did not even READ the Story of the Magi, it is OBVIOUS.




These two pictures are Closer Biblically:



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Now THOSE TWO ARTISTS at LEAST READ THE STORY in the BIBLE, even though I can point out some errors in their Pictures.

Matthew 2:1-16 (NKJV)
1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem,
2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."
3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.
5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:
6 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of you shall come a Ruler Who will shepherd My people Israel.' "
7 Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared.
8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also."
9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was.
10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy.
11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way.
13 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him."
14 When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt,
15 and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son."
16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was deceived by the wise men, was exceedingly angry; and he sent forth and put to death all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the wise men.


There are Parts of this Story that can be filled in only through HISTORY books. BEGINNING WITH THE MYTH THAT THEY RODE CAMELS. No were in Scripture does it say they road CAMELS, that myth was from the early Pictures by European Artists that neither read the HISTORY OF THE TRIBE OF MAGI, Nor the Biblical account of the Magi coming to see the New King.

The whole region is known as THE EAST, not just looking to the EAST of Jerusalem, so their homeland was northeast technically.

Magi, was a Tribe of Ranchers that had the history of READING everything related to WISDOM, and they RAISED Arabian Horses. This Tribe had two main sources of income, they raised Arabians to sell as WAR HORSES throughout the Mideastern Country, and their Wise Men would higher themselves out to be Wise Men in most of the mid-east Countries. Their home lands were along the western shore of the Caspian Sea, and down around the southern shore, which was fertile grassing land.

So WHY would a people who sells WAR HORSES for a Living, even want to RIDE CAMELS ? ? ? Yes, their is DESERT if you GO due EAST of Bethlehem. But MOST of the time people took the NORTHERN ROUTE. Which for the most part, followed streams along the Euphrates RIVER and then cut DOWN to Jerusalem through Lebanon.

Google maps shows the Euphrates River would have been the MOST LIKELY ROUTE. https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5231107,41.3642389,45773m/data=!3m1!1e3

Yes it jogged back up NORTH, but the Horses would have been CLOSE to a water supply, almost all of the way.



So WHY would you not follow the EUPHRATES RIVER when riding on Horseback, instead of CROSSING the Syrian Desert on Camels?

Now for another MYTH. The gold, frankincense, and myrrh, were not birthday gifts for the new King. They are Traditional Homage Gifts, and it would have been a considerable amount, enough for them to live on in Egypt, till they got to come home. Jesus was about 2 years OLD before they Magi arrived. WHY SO LONG? They saw the star the First Night, and Again, as they approached Bethlehem. During that Time they would have rode to every village in their land collecting the Homage, perhaps down into Babylon, then rode out for Jerusalem. NOT WITHOUT PLENTY OF GUARDS TO PROTECT THE HOMAGE. History tells us that most of the time the Magi rode with about 100 armed men, known to be the Fiercest Warriors around, and 10 or 12 MAGI. You thought there were only THREE, but that myth was made up, because of the three GIFTS, which I already explained they were the Traditional HOMAGE for a New King.

So How Did they Know what the STAR MEANT. After Daniel told King Nebuchadnezzar what the DREAM MEANT:

Daniel 2:48 (ASV)
48 Then the king made Daniel great, and gave him many great gifts, and made him to rule over the whole province of Babylon, and to be chief governor over all the wise men of Babylon.


The most likely explanation, is ONE OF THE LESSONS that DANIEL taught to the Wise Men was about the Star, and you thought EVERYTHING GOD DID AND SAID IS IN THE BIBLE. It seems likely that some of the things GOD told DANIEL, was for the MAGI's ears alone. Just LIKE not every conversation JESUS had and Miracles HE did are NOT IN THE GOSPELS.

John 21:25 (ASV)
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that should be written.
 

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We were JUSTIFIED thru FAITH in Christ. By His sacrifice on the cross, His HOLY blood shed for the forgiveness of our sins, we were made righteous. A righteousness thru FAITH.

Imputed righteousness is simply “Christ in us”

...It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our RIGHTEOUSNESS, holiness and redemption. 1 Corinthians 1:30

No one can be considered righteous without Christ in Him and he in Christ. For Christ to be in us, we must believe and accept what we have heard (Romans 10:8-17), the WORD planted in us, which can SAVE us, (James 1:21, john 1:1-14,Matthew 13:18-23) then we will receive the promised Holy Spirit. (Galatians 3:14) The Holy Spirit will lead us unto all truth and He will be our Counselor (john 14:26) enabling and empowering us to obey His commandments which leads to RIGHTEOUSNESS leading to holiness and the result is eternal life. (Romans 6:16-22)

...Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? Romans 6:16

...“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; APART FROM ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING. If anyone DOES NOT REMAIN IN ME (See 1 Corinthians 15:2, romans 11:17-22) he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned (see Luke 3:9). If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. John 15:5-8

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: WHOEVER CLAIMS TO LIVE IN HIM MUST WALK AS JESUS DID. 1 John 2:3-6

...At that time many WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED. Matthew 24:10-13

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we,IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. Therefore do not be partners with them.Ephesians 5:6-7
 

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I forgot to mention something. First of all I had a Typo, I put Higher instead Hire. Second, because of JESUS still being their at 2 Years of age, obviously, "NO ROOM FOR THEM IN THE IN" spelled one thing for a Joseph the Carpenter, Lots of WORK for a Carpenter. Especially since the Romans could call for ANOTHER CENSUS any time they wished, so it was a housing shortage ready to BOOM. So apparently they went home packed it all up and moved from to Bethlehem. AND THE HOME THEY WERE IN WHEN THE MAGI CAME, WAS ONE THAT JOSEPH APPARENTLY BUILT.
 
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I forgot to mention something. First of all I had a Typo, I put Higher instead Hire. Second, because of JESUS still being their at 2 Years of age, obviously, "NO ROOM FOR THEM IN THE IN" spelled one thing for a Joseph the Carpenter, Lots of WORK for a Carpenter. Especially since the Romans could call for ANOTHER CENSUS any time they wished, so it was a housing shortage ready to BOOM. So apparently they went home packed it all up and moved from to Bethlehem. AND THE HOME THEY WERE IN WHEN THE MAGI CAME, WAS ONE THAT JOSEPH APPARENTLY BUILT.
I always found the anomolies hilariously sad....some of the top ones I have seen....

a. Daniel represented as a boy when thrown into the den of lions

b. Three wise men

c. John the Baptist using a pitcher to baptize Jesus

and on top of that the songs sung in way of worship which have fallacies...

On that BRIGHT AND CLOUDLESS morning when the dead in Christ shall rise
<--my bible states that he comes with the clouds of heaven

Numerous songs sung in way of worship that have error in them....etc....

a little corruption here a little there........all it takes is ONE WORD and the truth goes out the window
 
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We ARE justified by faith and the imputed righteousness of Christ does not simply mean CHRIST IN US....we have been BORN AGAIN BY INCORRUPITBLE SEED FROM ABOVE BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD....

Conflating Justification with Sanctification for SALVATION = false dogma
 
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The most outwardly religious people to walk the planet were deemed LOST AND BLIND by Jesus himself.....PAUL SAID OUTWARDLY concerning the law he was BLAMELESS.....Religion, works, religious hoop jumping even by the most religious law/commandment keeping zealots EVER was not enough.....and all are already deemed convicted by the law and NO ONE EXCEPT Christ has kept it or will keep it......!
 

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The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

These deceivers will REJECT and NULLIFY the Word and believe the deceiving spirits.(Isaiah 5:20-24, Mark 7:6-13)

...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13

...THE SPIRIT CLEARLY SAYS that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through HYPOCRITICAL LIARS, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived? We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

..But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. 2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived.

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”... Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.

The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?