I go to a pentecostal church, they believe you can lose your salvation, so I can say how they answer each of these:
Saved to the uttermost......... if you continue in the faith as it says in colossians.
Kept by the power of God, He starts and Finishes, but human free will so God wont "force" it on anyone.
I will lose nothing the Father has given me, thats a tough one to answe,r dont know what they'd say, maybe free will card again? He wont lose any but people lose themselves? i dunno, any conditional security believers wanna tackle that?.
Eternal and everlasting means everlasting, but we ignore the past "saved" tense and say eternal life isnt present, but only in the future, we are in possession of it, but we arent, very simple No seriously, this is another one I want some conditional security believer to address, how can we have PRESENT TENSE eternal life if we believe, yet not be saved? HOW DOES THAT WORK? If you have it now, but not tomorrow it wasnt ETERNAL?
Salvation irrevocable gift, but free will, you get a BMW as a gift and crash it.
Never leave or forsake us, unless you forsake Him. (free will, notice the pattern here?)
Born eternally from above by incorruptible seed, unless you die again by sinning willfully too much.
Saved to the uttermost......... if you continue in the faith as it says in colossians.
Kept by the power of God, He starts and Finishes, but human free will so God wont "force" it on anyone.
I will lose nothing the Father has given me, thats a tough one to answe,r dont know what they'd say, maybe free will card again? He wont lose any but people lose themselves? i dunno, any conditional security believers wanna tackle that?.
Eternal and everlasting means everlasting, but we ignore the past "saved" tense and say eternal life isnt present, but only in the future, we are in possession of it, but we arent, very simple No seriously, this is another one I want some conditional security believer to address, how can we have PRESENT TENSE eternal life if we believe, yet not be saved? HOW DOES THAT WORK? If you have it now, but not tomorrow it wasnt ETERNAL?
Salvation irrevocable gift, but free will, you get a BMW as a gift and crash it.
Never leave or forsake us, unless you forsake Him. (free will, notice the pattern here?)
Born eternally from above by incorruptible seed, unless you die again by sinning willfully too much.
“Sinning willfully too much”......what is the cut off these days anyway, as it pertains to acting like Christ didn’t die on the cross for your sin, and avoiding full blown hypocrisy? 3 sins a day? If you go over 5, do you die instantly? What is the mixture? 2 adulterous acts, and 1 lie? Or can you lie 3 times, and throw in 1 adulterous act at the END of the day? Im wandering because that would be so close to the next 24 hour period....
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