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Easy believism is an absolutely horrible modern day slur against those who do NOT ascribe to Lordship Salvation ( a terrible problem in the Church that has created a bunch of fruit inspectors)
One either believes or one does not. One is either saved or they are not.
They others either do not know they full Gospel or they are imposters.
James main focus is not easy believism he makes it very very clear his topic the Living the
Profitable Christian Life.....how to behave once one is Justified.
Let's just agree to disagree since the modern day church has abandoned Context, quite ironic that Calvin as well agreed that the topic was not about saving faith, but faith after salvation
One either believes or one does not. One is either saved or they are not.
They others either do not know they full Gospel or they are imposters.
James main focus is not easy believism he makes it very very clear his topic the Living the
Profitable Christian Life.....how to behave once one is Justified.
Let's just agree to disagree since the modern day church has abandoned Context, quite ironic that Calvin as well agreed that the topic was not about saving faith, but faith after salvation
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Using scripture out if context is a huge problem it seems. 
Actually it is those who do not know by faith they are eternally secure that will be shocked, because like cramming for exams you will not be sure if you quite studied enough.
Jesus is the author and finisher of the work so I have no worries.
Actually it is those who do not know by faith they are eternally secure that will be shocked, because like cramming for exams you will not be sure if you quite studied enough.
Jesus is the author and finisher of the work so I have no worries.
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Easy believism, licentiousness, belief only (whatever people want to call it) is a part of the church, i have witnessed it, to say it is not an issue is just not true,
While it is also used by those who do not ascribe to lordship salvation, it does not mean it is not an issue,
James asked the question, can that faith save them. To say that salvic faith is not in question you would have to remove james words. I can’t do this sis. Because james plainly asks, can this dead faith save a person?
But yes, we can agree to disagree, still love ya!
While it is also used by those who do not ascribe to lordship salvation, it does not mean it is not an issue,
James asked the question, can that faith save them. To say that salvic faith is not in question you would have to remove james words. I can’t do this sis. Because james plainly asks, can this dead faith save a person?
But yes, we can agree to disagree, still love ya!
I know my questions seem very simple, but they're actually very deep.
The above is just stating that Jesus fulfilled the O.T.
The two questions were:
1. If the good news was also in the O.T., as @dcontroversal stated....then what IS the good news the N.T. speaks of?
2. If it's already present in the O.T.,,, why did Jesus have to die?
The answers are actually very simple but require knowing some concepts.
1. The good news is that Jesus is our Savior. So? People were saved in the O.T. too.
A. Jesus breaks satan's dominion over those that wish to follow Him.
B. Jesus frees us from the bondage to sin.
C. Jesus wins death because He shows us that death is not to be feared...as it was in the O.T. when it was not certain what happened to a person's soul after life.
D. Jesus shows us, personally, how to live a better life while here on Earth....which is good for us.
Not only with the commandments....but by explaining how we are to be changed from the inside out.
(born again).
E. Jesus assures us a place in heaven IF we believe Him and follow Him throughout our life.
2. Faith saved even in the O.T. So why did Jesus HAVE to die?
To give us access to heaven....to open the gates to heaven.
Luke 16:19.....
Mark 13:37-38
The above is just stating that Jesus fulfilled the O.T.
The two questions were:
1. If the good news was also in the O.T., as @dcontroversal stated....then what IS the good news the N.T. speaks of?
2. If it's already present in the O.T.,,, why did Jesus have to die?
The answers are actually very simple but require knowing some concepts.
1. The good news is that Jesus is our Savior. So? People were saved in the O.T. too.
A. Jesus breaks satan's dominion over those that wish to follow Him.
B. Jesus frees us from the bondage to sin.
C. Jesus wins death because He shows us that death is not to be feared...as it was in the O.T. when it was not certain what happened to a person's soul after life.
D. Jesus shows us, personally, how to live a better life while here on Earth....which is good for us.
Not only with the commandments....but by explaining how we are to be changed from the inside out.
(born again).
E. Jesus assures us a place in heaven IF we believe Him and follow Him throughout our life.
2. Faith saved even in the O.T. So why did Jesus HAVE to die?
To give us access to heaven....to open the gates to heaven.
Luke 16:19.....
Mark 13:37-38
Using scripture out if context is a huge problem it seems.
Actually it is those who do not know by faith they are eternally secure that will be shocked, because like cramming for exams you will not be sure if you quite studied enough.
Jesus is the author and finisher of the work so I have no worries.
Actually it is those who do not know by faith they are eternally secure that will be shocked, because like cramming for exams you will not be sure if you quite studied enough.
Jesus is the author and finisher of the work so I have no worries.
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I know more than you I am absolutely sure of this. I had a library of over 300 books most of which I gave away.
And accusing me of easy believism just reveals insecurity,
I see that the workers for salvation are the ones that believe the easy way, the broad road, they say "I can earn and keep my own salvation"
So, so ironic that those who do not believe in the complete gospel of the finished work of Christ Jesus are actually the ones who believe easy, the believe half the gospel which is far more easy than the complete gospel which is completely offensive.
The truly offensive gospel is the narrow path, the one who knows they are not saved by trying to save themselves
Easy believism are those who ridicule Grace and promote works (Lordship Salvation) which is the Broad Path
And accusing me of easy believism just reveals insecurity,
I see that the workers for salvation are the ones that believe the easy way, the broad road, they say "I can earn and keep my own salvation"
So, so ironic that those who do not believe in the complete gospel of the finished work of Christ Jesus are actually the ones who believe easy, the believe half the gospel which is far more easy than the complete gospel which is completely offensive.
The truly offensive gospel is the narrow path, the one who knows they are not saved by trying to save themselves
Easy believism are those who ridicule Grace and promote works (Lordship Salvation) which is the Broad Path
Thanks for answering.
I don't ask "loaded" questions...I'm just trying to get to the root of ideas.
You see D, it's all wording.
You say Jesus volunteered to die.
I say He HAD to die.
Which is it?
Could Jesus have said no?
Didn't God make the 2nd person of the Trinity be born so that He could go to the cross so mankind could be freed from the sin problem?
This is the same as saying we obey because we love...
and we must obey. Same thing.
Anyway, yes, all you say is true.
You left out to open heaven's gates to us who had been denied entry in the O.T. times.
See my post no. 81,887.
I don't ask "loaded" questions...I'm just trying to get to the root of ideas.
You see D, it's all wording.
You say Jesus volunteered to die.
I say He HAD to die.
Which is it?
Could Jesus have said no?
Didn't God make the 2nd person of the Trinity be born so that He could go to the cross so mankind could be freed from the sin problem?
This is the same as saying we obey because we love...
and we must obey. Same thing.
Anyway, yes, all you say is true.
You left out to open heaven's gates to us who had been denied entry in the O.T. times.
See my post no. 81,887.
He said "LIKE A".....NOT "IS"...........and again....conflating ideas = false gospel...his address is a MERE belief in GOD...not saving faith!!
Wake up Fran to the truth and be set free from your legalism.....
Therefore, we conclude that a MAN is justified by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law.
Wake up Fran to the truth and be set free from your legalism.....
Therefore, we conclude that a MAN is justified by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law.