Not By Works

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

Also, in post no. 87,768 you made the following statement:

Even when we are faithless God is faithful.

Is there scripture for this?
Can you post it please?
I hope you don't mean Timothy.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

AgapeShellArt said:

I didn't ask if a murderer can be forgiven...

I asked if God agape loves a murderer?

Do you see the difference?

AgapeShellArt · Feb 20, 2019

Note I said God loves murderers not that He would allow them to continue to murder. His holy spirit will transform any sinner into a saint by various means.

God chastens His children. If someone sins and is not chastened by God, then they are not His child.

Paul was a murderer of Christians before he meet Jesus and was blinded for three days.

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

GodsGrace101 said:
GOD can EARN your trust...

But YOU can't EARN salvation.

Guess you're better than God.
Talk about pride....

GodsGrace101 said:
That's because salvation IS earned ....
But must go now.

AgapeShellArt · Feb 20, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

You don't know the meaning of agape love, apparently if you think there is a difference.

stonesoffire · Feb 20, 2019

Argueless said:

Does my post say that i disagree with scriptures?

QUOTE: "No law, no order but just chaos and LAWLESSNESS. Do you follow the laws of your country? Wouldn't it be more righteous and wise to follow and obey God's laws and commands just as Jesus obeyed His Father's."

The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life. Revelation 22:17

If a person would CLAIM to believe yet would not repent, confess, obey and suffer for the sake of Christ, will he be saved and always saved?

...Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ. Then, whether I come and see you or only hear about you in my absence, I will know that you stand firm in one spirit, contending as one man for the faith of the gospel without being frightened in any way by those who oppose you. This is a sign to them that they will be destroyed, but that YOU WILL BE SAVED—and that by God. For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also TO SUFFER FOR HIM, since you are going through the same struggle you saw I had, and now hear that I still have. Philippians 1:27-30

Suffering for Being a Christian ...Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice that you PARTICIPATE IN THE SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. If you are INSULTED because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for THOSE WHO DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF GOD? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and CONTINUE TO DO GOOD. 1 Peter 4:12-19

...and, “A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.” THEY STUMBLE BECAUSE THEY DISOBEY THE MESSAGE—which is also what they were destined for. But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, BECAUSE CHRIST SUFFERED FOR YOU, LEAVING YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHOULD FOLLOW IN HIS STEPS. 1 Peter 2:8,20-21

Did Jesus left us an example to follow? And what did we benefit from it?

If by His OBEDIENCE to God He became the source of eternal salvation for those who obey Him, Aren't we supposed to OBEY him if we really believe that He is our source of ETERNAL SALVATION?

....During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE FROM WHAT HE SUFFERED and, once made perfect, he became THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM. Hebrews 5:7-9

What did Jesus instruct His disciples before He went back to the Father?

...teaching them to obey whatever I have commanded you...Matthew 28:18-20

And what did the disobedient do according to Isaiah?

...for they have REJECTED THE LAW of the Lord Almighty and SPURNED THE WORD of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:20-24

And Paul who was the apostle to the Gentiles gave them this warning...

...LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6'7

Now who are THE LIARS that are deceiving you?

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:3-6

And John reiterated in 2 john 1:6-11

...AND THIS IS LOVE: THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. ANY SUCH PERSON IS THE DECEIVER AND THE ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work. (see also john 14:21-24 and matthew 19:16-30 about Jesus teachings)

As Jesus, Paul and the other apostles and disciples did warn us too.

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED. For FALSE CHRISTS and FALSE PROPHETS will appear and perform great signs and miracles to DECEIVE even the elect—if that were possible. Matthew 24:10-13,24

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY JESUS CHRIST our only Sovereign and Lord. These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, “IN THE LAST TIMES there will be SCOFFERS who will follow their own ungodly desires.” THESE ARE THE MEN WHO DIVIDE YOU, who follow mere natural instincts and DO NOT HAVE THE SPIRIT. Jude 1:4,16-19

Are there people on this thread WHO DIVIDE YOU by teaching that OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S COMMANDS HAVE NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

Don't they reject Jesus teaching that those who will stand firm to the end ( overcomers) WILL BE SAVED which is contrary to OSAS?

Do they not refuse His warnings about deceivers or FALSE CHRISTS, PROPHETS AND TEACHERS who will appear in the last days when many will ABANDON/TURN AWAY from the FAITH?

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? Hebrews 12:25

...But I am afraid that just as Eve was DECEIVED by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be LED ASTRAY from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

...DO NOT BE DECEIVED: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. Galatians 6:7

You know none of us read these lengthy postings of scripture. You can make a point without this many, but if you don't say then what you see in the Word, it's of no effect.

And most all of us do our own studies and know the scriptures well.

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2019

Hevosmies said:

And he was telling the truth as evidenced by the following....

GodsGrace101 said:
GOD can EARN your trust...

But YOU can't EARN salvation.

Guess you're better than God.
Talk about pride....

GodsGrace101 said:
That's because salvation IS earned ....
But must go now.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

Chester said:

P.S. FYI
Where I live they never heard of OSAS.
They never heard of Pres. of the Saints.
I live in Catholiclandia.
Not that there's anything wrong with it...
I don't agree with the doctrine, but I know plenty of saved catholics and some of their doctrine is correct.

It would be nice if we stopped hating each other,,,but the sin nature just won't go away.

And yes, I wish I COULD change the language but I know I won't. Not here to make up new rules!
But at least now I could point to a post instead of repeating ad nauseum.

dcontroversal · Feb 20, 2019

Hevosmies said:

Was??---> She said yesterday that maybe we would be better off with a POPE........

AgapeShellArt · Feb 20, 2019

GodsGrace101 said:

Considering it's an almost verbatim quote from Timothy....I am sure you have a reason to reject it because it doesn't fit your way of viewing the Bible or God.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

stonesoffire said:

If someone just posts scripture it's GOD talking.

When we write on our own (which I also do) it's US talking.

Scripture is good.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

AgapeShellArt said:

Do you have the verse please?
I need to confirm we're talking about the same verse.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Talk of dishonesty.....

You will not bear false witness against your neighbor....

You do this all the time.

I DO believe protestantism needs a pope.
We're in trouble and you don't even realize it.

Goodnewsman · Feb 20, 2019

Hevosmies said:

Yes he was. i believe in PREDESTINATION. You will never catch me slippin with that argument that people just get saved and then choose to be unsaved later on.

Jesus said that Judas was there precisely so that SCRIPTURE might be fulfilled. It wasnt a freak accident!

I am afraid to ask, but DO YOU believe in sin nature? Do you believe in original sin? Because if you do, these are ODD questions to ask! Everyone thats born into this world is by DEFAULT an enemy of God!

You dont have to live long, before you see a lie, before you tell a lie. Parents ask "Did you do it?" they say "no!" while they did, thats a lie already.

Did God FORCE Judas to betray Jesus? This is a trick question! I have gotten used to these. God doesnt have to FORCE anyone to sin, we are already sinful, and the man thats not born again LOVES his sin. Therefore, Judas betrayed Jesus completely willingly, out of his deceitful heart full of theft and wickedness. Satan entered Judas, and yes this was with God's permission, so that the scriptures may be fulfilled. Call me crazy? Read Revelation 17:17!

Since you believe in predestination are you going to heaven or hell when you die? If so how do you know

Could it be that you are predestined to go to hell?

If Judas was why don't you?

AgapeShellArt · Feb 20, 2019

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FollowHisSteps · Feb 20, 2019

AgapeShellArt said:

What you are describing is universalism.

Gods promises are bounded by doing His will.

He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2 Thess 1:8

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Therefore do not be partners with them.
Eph 5:6-7

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Romans 12:2

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good
Rom 12:21

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Romans 12:9

whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Col 3:17

AgapeShellArt · Feb 20, 2019

We don't need a pope..we have Jesus and His Holy Spirit

Just as Israell didn't need King Saul....

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Wow.
Just wow.

And some actually listen to what you teach?
God help them.

James 3:1 The tongue is a fire....
1Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.

To whom much is given,,,much will be required.

GodsGrace101 · Feb 20, 2019

AgapeShellArt said:

Why does the Holy Spirit teach you unbiblical ideas?

AgapeShellArt · Feb 20, 2019

FollowHisSteps said:

What you are describing is universalism.

Gods promises are bounded by doing His will.

He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
2 Thess 1:8

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
Therefore do not be partners with them.
Eph 5:6-7

Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Romans 12:2

Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good
Rom 12:21

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Romans 12:9

whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Col 3:17

No it's not universalism. I am talking about God's love. Not his promises..but you can change the topic if you like.

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