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What?
Jesus' sacrifice always existed.
Not YOU.

I agree with you that salvation is a present possession....
As long as you remain IN CHRIST you will have that possession.

Jesus is the life...
outside of Him there is no life.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

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HAH you think I will let that stand FRAN

PERFECT TENSE VERB <--->A present continuing result from a PAST COMPLETED ACTION

WAS saved
AM saved
WILL CONTINUE to be saved

JESUS is the one that KEEPS US BY HIS POWER THROUGH THE FAITH he BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES.....!!
 
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Jesus said a lot of things to show man what it takes to be holy. And without Him, and His Cross....can't happen.

He also gave the revelation of the body of Christ to Paul that He can have Sons like Him. Sons of faith. Great faith and filled with Holy Spirit.

He ended Matt 25 with the sheep and goats. I am not a sheep nor a goat. I am a Son in training. Sheep and goats are of a beast nature.
JESUS also spoke as one who was born, lived and died under the LAW which RATIFIED the NEW Covenant.........most ignore this truth
 
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His last post was the only reason I said he was a false prophet, so how could I not use his last post as an example of why I called him a false prophet. It does not matter much any more does it....you sure do get upset easily.
YOU can and DID..........I agree
 
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UnderGrace

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What?
Jesus' sacrifice always existed.
Not YOU.

I agree with you that salvation is a present possession....
As long as you remain IN CHRIST you will have that possession.

Jesus is the life...
outside of Him there is no life.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

No comment required.
No comment required

How is it you complain that we do not respond and then tells us not to respond!!:unsure::rolleyes:o_O
 

Argueless

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The Bible clearly states in many passages of scripture that we are saved through belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:22-28; 4:5; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8; 2 Timothy 3:15; 1 John 5:13 etc..).

You don't need to add the word "alone" next to "belief/faith" in each of these passages of scripture in order to figure out that the words, "belief/faith" stand alone in connection with receiving eternal life/salvation. Do these many passages of scripture say belief/faith "plus something else?" Plus works? NO. So then it's faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE.

Not to be confused with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" -- barren of works (James 2:14)
You were asked to show us scripture and here's his request;

"Please just post scripture that says we are “Justified by faith alone”...'

Take out the word "ALONE" in your twisted FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE then you'll be able to see without bias the TRUTH OF THE MESSAGE.

Paul said,

...If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and IF I HAVE A FAITH that can move mountains, BUT HAVE NOT LOVE, I am NOTHING. 1 Corinthians 13:2

Do you even make sense if you are nothing? That is what you are and have become by insisting that FAITH ALONE SAVES.

Can that NOTHING even exist? I think that the ATHEISTS believe that but not Jesus and His apostles.

Jesus said;

... “If you love me, you will obey what I command. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:15,21,23-24

...“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46

A Faith WITH LOVE will OBEY.

Paul said;

...For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is FAITH EXPRESSING ITSELF THROUGH LOVE. Galatians 5:6

"FAITH THAT WORKETH IN LOVE"

John said;

...Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but WITH ACTIONS and in truth. 1 John 3:18

Peter said;

...For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-11

James said;

...You see that a person is justified by what he does and NOT BY FAITH ALONE. As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. James 2:24,26

And again Paul said;

... WHAT IF SOME DID NOT HAVE FAITH? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! LET GOD BE TRUE, and every man A LIAR. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” Romans 3:3-4

While John pointed out who the LIARS are;

...The man who says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 1 John 2:4

And finally Paul warns us;

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7
 
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Yes...as I was discussing with a member here...
to some on this thread
LOVE
is a work...

And Jesus clearly told us LOVE is necessary:


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Mathew 23:37-39 Jesus said:
37And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’
38“This is the great and foremost commandment.
39“The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’
40“On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”
Boy, now I have read everything, Love is a work to gain salvation??

The bible, you know the one that we need to always use in each and every post to prove our point...........

God's Mercy to Us Titus 3:5
…4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. 6This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,…
 
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Boy, now I have read everything, Love is a work to gain salvation??

The bible, you know the one that we need to always use in each and every post to prove our point...........

God's Mercy to Us Titus 3:5
…4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. 6This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,…
AMEN...and....

It is not that we loved him, but that he loved us and gave himself for us......

And how many times do we need to reference the fact that LOVE is a process of GROWTH and MATURITY AFTER one has been born AGAIN from ABOVE!!
 

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Guys im a street dog i got no education. Im thinking of getting some right now, its a long commitment and i always hated education but it seems like jobs are tough nowadays to get without some title to your name.
HORSEMAN doesnt quite cut it these days.

Pray please that God motivates me to get an education. But tell Him not to kick me too hard! I wish I would just find something interesting all of a sudden and get into it. What a blessing that would be.
 
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Guys im a street dog i got no education. Im thinking of getting some right now, its a long commitment and i always hated education but it seems like jobs are tough nowadays to get without some title to your name.
HORSEMAN doesnt quite cut it these days.

Pray please that God motivates me to get an education. But tell Him not to kick me too hard! I wish I would just find something interesting all of a sudden and get into it. What a blessing that would be.
I need brush cut, trees cut, wood cut, wood split, hauled and stacked and offer a life or peace and rest on a spring fed creek in a Missouri national forest, a place to live and food ;) HAHHA and a biblical education beyond the fluff and milk HAHAH
 
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Boy, now I have read everything, Love is a work to gain salvation??

The bible, you know the one that we need to always use in each and every post to prove our point...........

God's Mercy to Us Titus 3:5
…4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. 6This is the Spirit He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,…
Love of neighbor is part II of the greatest commandments. If it isn't there, you need to go back to the milk, for you are not of Him, can't possibly obey Commandmant #1 to love God. Love is the "acid test" of a Christian's testimony, both for God and neighbor. Make sure it is factual. In Christ you are enabled to love neighbors. If you can't, then you are probably not known by Jesus, and you don't really know the Lord. Just "about" Jesus? Let your works judge yourself, though they are powerless to save you.
 
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I need brush cut, trees cut, wood cut, wood split, hauled and stacked and offer a life or peace and rest on a spring fed creek in a Missouri national forest, a place to live and food ;) HAHHA and a biblical education beyond the fluff and milk HAHAH
Well, get to that while it's cool! Once you get past the hand blisters it ain't so bad. Why leave such tasks to a tender foot? Most will abandon a job like that and leave you doing it all anyway.
 

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The root of their problem....they were not saved and never had been saved-->I NEVER KNEW YOU.......We can logically deduce that they trusted in a false gospel based upon their claim if FAITH by calling JESUS LORD and the facts that they had done many wonderful works in his name.......<---This dogma is pushed and peddled by MANY that name JESUS....
I don't disagree. Anyone trusting in works is not on the rock.
 

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HAH you think I will let that stand FRAN

PERFECT TENSE VERB <--->A present continuing result from a PAST COMPLETED ACTION

WAS saved
AM saved
WILL CONTINUE to be saved

JESUS is the one that KEEPS US BY HIS POWER THROUGH THE FAITH he BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES.....!!
We are part of the vine. Our life is His life, our fruit is His fruit, our future is His future.
You cannot separate us in Christ from Him. But if we leave the vine we are nothing but a shrivelled twig ready
for the fire.

It is amazing how truth can be encompassed by a greater truth.
So our perspective may all be true, but we do not see its complexity.

Saying another is wrong, judgeing them, cutting them off in our hearts hurts our own communion with the Lord.
Listenning, knowing and seeing begins for us to see Gods will. Everyone has a story that makes them worthy of
time and space.

God bless you for the grace you share and love of Christ you have, Amen
 

stonesoffire

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JESUS also spoke as one who was born, lived and died under the LAW which RATIFIED the NEW Covenant.........most ignore this truth
That's true.

The scripture says also that we have been given everything we need for godliness. To access....believe it ....receive it. Found in Holy Spirit.
 
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Faith without something is dead, meaning faith alone is dead.


Faith must have something to activate it.


Not the works of the law.

Not good works.

Not work that earns.


But the thing God has designed faith to be activated by, or made alive by is the work of obedience.


Otherwise faith is dead and can not save.



Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? James 2:21-22


The “work” that Abraham did was to obey God to offer his son Issac on the altar.


  • Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?


Faith is incomplete, without the work of obedience.



  • Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? (Complete)



So there is no such scripture in the Bible that teaches us we are justified by faith alone.




JPT
Did anyone search for the Prodigal Son?

No he had to come to himself, humbled himself and repented and was reconciled back to his father.


JPT
 
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Guys im a street dog i got no education. Im thinking of getting some right now, its a long commitment and i always hated education but it seems like jobs are tough nowadays to get without some title to your name.
HORSEMAN doesnt quite cut it these days.

Pray please that God motivates me to get an education. But tell Him not to kick me too hard! I wish I would just find something interesting all of a sudden and get into it. What a blessing that would be.
Something interesting? You need to be taking whatever leads to interesting. I discovered the best "job" has been around my hobbies and childhood interests. Joining the US Navy added an electronic interest, so I have added electronic security pursuits to my private business interests. The competition is strong, so a good idea is to keep looking for gaps in markets I might fill. I just jumped in to several fields, not taking courses from professors who never held a job in the field they teach.

Get out there, clean, odorless, smiling, and being a shopper if not a customer, shaking hands, passing out business cards. If you find an interesting place, help their customers find things. Invest yourself. If people like your first impression they tend not to worry too much about specific job qualifications. Most jobs provide specific training anyway, which can totally erase whatever you learn getting a "degree". Volunteer to work free at some place that interests you. I got started in landscaping by volunteering for a construction company in 1970, running a wheelbarrow, and selling my own first landscape business in 1981. Create then sell.
 

GodsGrace101

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Faith without something is dead, meaning faith alone is dead.


Faith must have something to activate it.


Not the works of the law.

Not good works.

Not work that earns.


But the thing God has designed faith to be activated by, or made alive by is the work of obedience.


Otherwise faith is dead and can not save.



Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? James 2:21-22


The “work” that Abraham did was to obey God to offer his son Issac on the altar.


  • Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?


Faith is incomplete, without the work of obedience.



  • Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? (Complete)



So there is no such scripture in the Bible that teaches us we are justified by faith alone.




JPT



No he had to come to himself, humbled himself and repented and was reconciled back to his father.


JPT
Would you agree that Abraham obeyed God immediately, long before Isaac, when God told him to leave his home of Ur?
Genesis 12.

Sorry I'm on a phone...no scripture.
 

posthuman

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It's Nahum 3:12.......
Per posthuman...who found it today.
i think, Nahum 3:2-12
tho i don't know why stop with verse 12?

i don't understand why y'all are still thinking there's a book of Naomi. you can just go to LDS.org or something and look at the BOM online, check the table of contents / book list on page 1. i guess Hevosmies only glanced at the search results and noticed many were from LDS websites, but didn't look closely enough to see that they were about the book of Ruth or they were literal mormon people whose name happens to be Naomi. then the rest of y'all didn't bother to do any research of your own?

i thought, he was calling down judgements like those in scripture. there's no book of Naomi. i know there's not a book of Naomi in the BOM either (( i have one, and have read it)), so what could it be? well judgement in the Bible is mostly in the prophets. so what prophet starts with an N that he might have misspelled? turns out Nahum 3:2-12 is judgement. bingo, sez i.

people get things wrong.
often.
me too ((am a people)).
it's good practice to double check things - even things you think you're sure about.
 

GodsGrace101

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i think, Nahum 3:2-12
tho i don't know why stop with verse 12?


i don't understand why y'all are still thinking there's a book of Naomi. you can just go to LDS.org or something and look at the BOM online, check the table of contents / book list on page 1. i guess Hevosmies only glanced at the search results and noticed many were from LDS websites, but didn't look closely enough to see that they were about the book of Ruth or they were literal mormon people whose name happens to be Naomi. then the rest of y'all didn't bother to do any research of your own?

i thought, he was calling down judgements like those in scripture. there's no book of Naomi. i know there's not a book of Naomi in the BOM either (( i have one, and have read it)), so what could it be? well judgement in the Bible is mostly in the prophets. so what prophet starts with an N that he might have misspelled? turns out Nahum 3:2-12 is judgement. bingo, sez i.

people get things wrong.
often.
me too ((am a people)).
it's good practice to double check things - even things you think you're sure about.
You have such an organized mind.....!
LOL
 
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Well, get to that while it's cool! Once you get past the hand blisters it ain't so bad. Why leave such tasks to a tender foot? Most will abandon a job like that and leave you doing it all anyway.
Oh it does not bother me.....I can go all day long and when I get done the beavers on the creek complain to the conservation department because of my deforestation projects hahaha....keeps me in good shape at 52.....I still split by hand half the time even though I have a hydraulic splitter....and I usually have my wood done for winter by May or June.....takes about 3 cords a year to heat my y house.....and I have been clearing about 4 acres for food plots for deer and turkey