Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Well maybe you will disagree, but I do not regard BDF as church.
I so no point in pointing out anyone's failings as a way to moderate the discussion.
Which is what the person did.
Not cool

Your right, it is not a church

But God says if we see a brother sin we should confront him.

When people are doing it to try to discredit other people to make them look bad. It is also a bad thing, that should be confronted. Otherwise, we are enabling them. And it gets out of hand..

 

[dcontroversal]

Your right, it is not a church

But God says if we see a brother sin we should confront him.

When people are doing it to try to discredit other people to make them look bad. It is also a bad thing, that should be confronted. Otherwise, we are enabling them. And it gets out of hand..

I just cannot help calling a spade a spade.....and or lighting up those that peddle falsehoods....!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I just cannot help calling a spade a spade.....and or lighting up those that peddle falsehoods....!!

I am not talking about falshood bro. I am talking about lieing, slandering, Belittling, and blame shifting cutting people down, outright attacking peopple just because they disagree with you. And not having any response to what the people actually said or answering their questions, as if they are so special or so far o=above anyone they do not feel the need to think they have to lower themselves.

 

[UnderGrace]

Your right, it is not a church

But God says if we see a brother sin we should confront him.

When people are doing it to try to discredit other people to make them look bad. It is also a bad thing, that should be confronted. Otherwise, we are enabling them. And it gets out of hand..

Yes I would agree.

Okay, tell you what, next time this person comes after me and discredits me to make me look bad in front of other people , I will come find you and you can confront them and I will be ever so grateful!!

 

[UnderGrace]

I am not talking about falshood bro. I am talking about lieing, slandering, Belittling, and blame shifting cutting people down, outright attacking peopple just because they disagree with you. And not having any response to what the people actually said or answering their questions, as if they are so special or so far o=above anyone they do not feel the need to think they have to lower themselves.

This is exactly it, exactly!!!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Also imagine a believer who gets so angry hearing the word of God being declared they cannot face
reading it. Is that a heart after Gods heart, or someone who does not know the meaning of conviction
of sin and repentance and cleansing within?

I believe the "outburst" that ppl are discussing was presented to illustrate the effects [i.e. ultimately, hopelessness] of those presenting a false view of "salvation" (saying also that "by grace through faith in Christ's finished work" is insufficient, and that self-effort saves us instead) and not a demonstration of some sort of loss of control by the one presenting such. The poster was saying, "if my salvation is not real and actual (as you say), then I may as well [fill in the blank with any number of fleshly action or mindset], and let's see if you [in your claim to be the true-Christian, instead, "by means of your good-works"] actually 'pray' for me or not, when I do." If the person were indeed "not saved" (as was suggested), then is the response to that supposed-truth [by a true saint indeed] to be "further condemnation" by the other poster[/s], or is "the wrath of God" abiding on such a [supposedly-unsaved-]person, sufficient?


["...if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain: ye are yet in your sins." This is what verse 2 refers to: those leaving off the vital truth of Jesus' Resurrection (that which Paul "declared unto them"/"preached unto you") for their "justification," instead treating it as insignificant or unimportant in salvation truths (keeping in mind that Romans 8:11 is speaking of "our mortal bodies"--the ones we still live in. This is HIS role. This does not mean that the believer/saint will never sin. I think I recall that you have admitted that you have sinned since becoming a Christian/saint/believer, no?]

 

[UnderGrace]

I am not talking about falshood bro. I am talking about lieing, slandering, Belittling, and blame shifting cutting people down, outright attacking peopple just because they disagree with you. And not having any response to what the people actually said or answering their questions, as if they are so special or so far o=above anyone they do not feel the need to think they have to lower themselves.

Thank you this is a help that you see it too. Maybe now I can find the humor in it....well maybe in a day or two.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes I would agree.

Okay, tell you what, next time this person comes after me and discredits me to make me look bad in front of other people , I will come find you and you can confront them and I will be ever so grateful!!


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I usually see them and call them out anyway.

Thats what gets me in trouble and called a troublemaker

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is exactly it, exactly!!!

Yes sister, this is what irritates me, and we need more people to stand up and call these people out.. But if not, I will continue.

We can disagree with doctrines and not fight, answer each others questions, and share our view. And that is fine, It happens wiht many peopple every day in here, But I will not stand for the other

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thank you this is a help that you see it too. Maybe now I can find the humor in it....well maybe in a day or two.

Yes I see it,, And hopefully now you know why I do some of the things I do.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
13 Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you.
14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing psalms, hymns and spiritual songs with gratitude in your hearts to God.
17 And whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Colossians 3:12-17

Amen, thank you Jesus that you show us the way we should live.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Amen, thank you Jesus that you show us the way we should live.

No one is saying that we should live like the devil. ; )

11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us that, having denied ungodliness and worldly passions, we should live discreetly and righteously and piously in the present age, 13 awaiting the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all lawlessness and might purify to Himself a people specially chosen, zealous of good works.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night.
8 But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him.
11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
12 Now we ask you, brothers, to respect those who work hard among you, who are over you in the Lord and who admonish you.
13 Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other.
1 Thessalonians 5:7-13

 

[dcontroversal]

I am not talking about falshood bro. I am talking about lieing, slandering, Belittling, and blame shifting cutting people down, outright attacking peopple just because they disagree with you. And not having any response to what the people actually said or answering their questions, as if they are so special or so far o=above anyone they do not feel the need to think they have to lower themselves.

I understood and my calling a spade a spade can fit your description is what I am saying and lying or slandering does = falsehood

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes sister, this is what irritates me, and we need more people to stand up and call these people out.. But if not, I will continue.

We can disagree with doctrines and not fight, answer each others questions, and share our view. And that is fine, It happens wiht many peopple every day in here, But I will not stand for the other

These people do not see that they are exactly what they project onto others.

Anyway, I wish I shared in your conviction but I guess I am just not up to the confrontation, but I agree they should be called out because I am sure that they offend many people and feel entitled to do so.....but carry on I will can still gives a thumbs up! LOL

 

[FollowHisSteps]

No one is saying that we should live like the devil. ; )

11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us that, having denied ungodliness and worldly passions, we should live discreetly and righteously and piously in the present age, 13 awaiting the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all lawlessness and might purify to Himself a people specially chosen, zealous of good works.

No one is saying that we should live like the devil
You are right they are saying we cannot help but live like the devil because
there is nothing that can bring us victory or freedom from the slavery of sin.

These people do not read scripture though, or believe it.

16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted.
18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness
Romans 6:16-18

Now if the disciples of the early church found obedience leads to righteousness, it should
still work today, unless ofcourse you do not have the faith to believe it is possible.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Argueless said:

Seoche....your […]

I have a question... I've noticed you've called him by this other user-name a few times... I assume (well, I think I recall) you said that "Seoche" person is no longer a member here (perhaps even "banned"?)... which made me think about the "rules" of this place, and I wondered, because I can't recall reading such a rule, whether or not it is "against the rules" (like it is at other sites I've been on) for any member to sign up under two user-names simultaneously? Does anyone know whether or not there is such a rule, here? Thanks.

I'm asking for other reasons (not because I have any plans to do so myself, ). Thanks again!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

No one is saying that we should live like the devil
You are right they are saying we cannot help but live like the devil because
there is nothing that can bring us victory or freedom from the slavery of sin.

I am not seeing anyone making that point, sorry.

 

[Argueless]

Seoche....your blather = zero influence on any of us.....you cannot even be honest about who you really are.....go peddle your divel to someone that actually cares about what you say!

So is it ok to lie to the Spirit? Check out what your comrade has to say about not answering a question.
It's bothering how you can abuse other posters to answer with a YES or NO and then refuse to answer an honest question.

I am not talking about falshood bro. I am talking about lieing, slandering, Belittling, and blame shifting cutting people down, outright attacking peopple just because they disagree with you. And not having any response to what the people actually said or answering their questions, as if they are so special or so far o=above anyone they do not feel the need to think they have to lower themselves.

Yes sister, this is what irritates me, and we need more people to stand up and call these people out.. But if not, I will continue.

We can disagree with doctrines and not fight, answer each others questions, and share our view. And that is fine, It happens wiht many peopple every day in here, But I will not stand for the other

See, He always twist things to support his view/


In a debate, people speak their view. Then they ask each other questions. Honest and honrable debaters answer those questions. They do not hide behind them then attack the person asking them

You only do that when you can not support your own belief system, and the other person asks you a question which you KNOW if you answer the truth, it would expose you.

Thats you peter. Thats you.

 

[FollowHisSteps]

I am not seeing anyone making that point, sorry.

So you can live in victory and walk like Jesus.
Amen, welcome brother.

Do you think a swearing session occured because they thought they
walked like Jesus? I think not, and the reaction confirmed the basic
problem and denial.

And take the continuous statement people are not defining sin correctly.
This is all about denial of the need to repent and walk in the Lords ways.