i have been listening to many sermons on the internet.
eternal security pastors preach just like not-eternal security pastors against sin and cry out for people to repent. not only did i preach a false gospel i have been falsely accusing the brethren how dare i. the devil is the accuser.
my notes: A repents. B repents. A says God gave me grace to do it. B says I just chose to repent.
God gets glory in A does not get glory in B. i believe thats correct. i dont know what i am yet. but i have looked into it. not even anything created can separate the elect from God's love st.paul said.
what then is the purpose of the remain in me dont be deiceived and if ye continue verses? what one pastor said in the sermon was that its to wake up God's people to self-examine, and to rattle the fake believers in churches and its the means by which God keeps His people.
im satisfied with his answer because it harmonizes all the eternal life, God will keep, and all the finality of salvation verses to the warning verses.
what do you think brethren? can i have your opinion on what i have said? i ask in love and not to spite or argue.
Hello brother may I ask you to expand your question just a tad?
It sounds to me that you are asking why hearers of the word are encouraged to not be decieved if we are in fact gifted (not rewarded with) eternal life and assurance in Him and not ourselves by
grace through
faith in Jesus Christ as our savior.
Would you like to bring up the specific verses which trouble you in any way brother?
Maybe I can post one or two that comes to mind as an example?
colossians 1
18 And
he is the head of the
body,
the church:
who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that
in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace
through the blood of his cross,
by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that
were sometime alienated and
enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet
now hath he reconciled
22
In the body of his flesh through death,
to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled,
and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
the if we continue here is descriptive of us who have been persuaded, repented from unbelief... been born again and made new with Him working in us
it is not to say if you do not continue you lose... but those who do continue He Hath reconciled already
Hebrews 10:39
39 But
we are not of
them who draw back unto perdition;
but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
1 john 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19
They went out from
us, but
they were not of
us; for if
they had been of
us,
they would no doubt have continued with
us: but
they went out, that
they might be made manifest that they were not all of
us.
I believe we can say that "they" are tares and "we" who trust are wheat
we ought to examine ourselfs according to His word
lean not on our own understanding or our works
have faith in Him who can save us
it is good while we still lack assurance to examine ourself..... "have I been born again?"
but many often use scripture and impute extra meaning to it...
the parable of the sower is a wonderful parable to demonstrate the different effects of the seed (the truth... Gods Word) has on the hearts of man (the soil)
or the parable of of the true vines
many will say it is speaking of the loss of salvation to believers
when it is not at all
(bump)
hope my post was not all over the place I am at work bro
may God bless you with exactly what He wants you to see
John 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
there are two sorts of brances here
branches that bare fruit
"every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit"
"He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit"
and branches that do not bare fruit
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned"
"As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself"
this is largely an example of the power of CHRIST in His own
compared to the lack of power in fakers
dont you understand when this is being said?
what judas already did and what was about to happen?
but this has NOTHING to do with the loss of salvation to a saved believer
and MUCH to do with two separate types of men in the same congregation of "believers" (in Him)