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True, and the love of God knows no bounds. 
for every careless word they have spoken.
37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned
Matt 12
10 For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
11 It is written: "'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.'"
12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Rom 14
There are some people who claim because they hold faith in Jesus they will not
stand before the judgement seat of God. Here is Paul saying we will stand
before God and give account.
Grace is in giving Christ on the cross and forgiveness of our sins, but not grace
to continue in sin and claim righteous walking is impossible, and those who
aim to walk this way are enemies of the gospel.
To abide in sin wilfully is to rebel against God. Sin is that which is written in the law,
written in our hearts and stands in our consciences as we dwell in Christ.
This is not ocd perfectionism, or running oneself down for every failure to meet ones
own expectations or goals. Such people need to spend time seeing who God accepts
and how gentle and kind He is to all who come to Him.
Amen.
Some do not believe this.
Equally some do not believe in Christ we overcome evil with good, we can walk
with a purified heart and do righteous deeds in Christ and through Christ.
My understanding is they have closed their hearts to Christ and refuse to resolved
deep emotional issues of betrayal and hurt, which they insist on holding on to.
They appear to willing abide in sinful behaviour, and compromise all the principles
and aspirations held in the sermon on the mount.
What I rejoice in, is everyday, by searching out Gods will and ways, I find more scriptures
that show His way and His truth. Praise the Lord love overcomes all in Christ Jesus and
the cross. Amen
Some do not believe this.
Equally some do not believe in Christ we overcome evil with good, we can walk
with a purified heart and do righteous deeds in Christ and through Christ.
My understanding is they have closed their hearts to Christ and refuse to resolved
deep emotional issues of betrayal and hurt, which they insist on holding on to.
They appear to willing abide in sinful behaviour, and compromise all the principles
and aspirations held in the sermon on the mount.
What I rejoice in, is everyday, by searching out Gods will and ways, I find more scriptures
that show His way and His truth. Praise the Lord love overcomes all in Christ Jesus and
the cross. Amen
This is a good example.
I answer this on different levels.
Those individually involved can forgive those who committed the deeds driven by sin
and delusion. In the face of such evil, forgiveness, prayer, humbleness and love overcomes.
On a civil level, those involved have to be brought to justice and pay for their crimes.
On a christian community scale we can pray for those driven by such hatred, and share
about our common humanity and desire to bring love to the world and the best for all
concerned.
On a preventative scale showing love for others security measures can be taken to protect
large gatherings so at least the effects can be minimised, showing a duty of care to all
who partake in such meetings.
I answer this on different levels.
Those individually involved can forgive those who committed the deeds driven by sin
and delusion. In the face of such evil, forgiveness, prayer, humbleness and love overcomes.
On a civil level, those involved have to be brought to justice and pay for their crimes.
On a christian community scale we can pray for those driven by such hatred, and share
about our common humanity and desire to bring love to the world and the best for all
concerned.
On a preventative scale showing love for others security measures can be taken to protect
large gatherings so at least the effects can be minimised, showing a duty of care to all
who partake in such meetings.
Fair enough, but I don't think it was an "attack" really, but I did misunderstand your intent admittedly, sorry for that. For the record I didn't mean my comment as an "attack" either, although I did word things pretty strongly, I didn't attack you. I just gave my honest reaction to what you said, and asked a couple questions to better clarify your very vague comment. Now you have, I did take it completely wrong, and I also apologize if my comment offended you. I just get straight to the point and in text I know it comes off completely wrong sometimes. Just like I mistook yours. But "THIS" is how we do better, and if I was attacking you with my comment what is this,
"But you decide to attack instead.
Was your response being like Jesus?"
What exactly are you saying here? Which part of what I said is unChrist like? I simply conveyed how I took your comment, and then ended with a question for you to clarify exactly what you meant. Asking questions to better understand you. I did, you answered, now I do understand better. Again where have I been unChrist like? If you don't mind.
"But you decide to attack instead.
Was your response being like Jesus?"
What exactly are you saying here? Which part of what I said is unChrist like? I simply conveyed how I took your comment, and then ended with a question for you to clarify exactly what you meant. Asking questions to better understand you. I did, you answered, now I do understand better. Again where have I been unChrist like? If you don't mind.
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There we go, now we understand each other. That simple. I don't believe we would have had any misunderstanding face to face, because we would have know exactly how we meant everything. I think this could serve as a good example of "how" we do better. Also please know that you didn't offend me at all, in any way. I appreciate the way you handled the whole thing, and I'm sorry for misunderstanding a awesome question the first time, I could also try to soften my language a bit too. I truly hope you have a great day man, and thank you for the conversation.
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Amen bro.
I know at times I fall foul.
Reconciliation is always on my mind when I do.
I do totally agree that if we were at side by side then there would be no misunderstanding.
Thing is with sites all we see are words and it is easy to react in the wrong way.
I'm sorry I did not offend you, will try harder next time (joking)
Have a great day and look forward to future conversations.
I know at times I fall foul.
Reconciliation is always on my mind when I do.
I do totally agree that if we were at side by side then there would be no misunderstanding.
Thing is with sites all we see are words and it is easy to react in the wrong way.
I'm sorry I did not offend you, will try harder next time
(joking)Have a great day and look forward to future conversations.
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Is anger appropriate on these forums?
I truly do not understand this, or fantastic frustration.
I have seen people not involved in discussion but attempted demolition.
And this is the point, in part. If we could not challenge one another about
issues we care about, why discuss at all. And in discussion things change,
insights arise, we can move forward in Christ.
I have to laugh, because some do not believe I know Christ at all, but then
that illuminates bias and experience, over what we are in Jesus. We tend to
rationalise after events and invent theories to explain what is going on.
My number 1 theory, is with a purified heart, we will see God.
And so many end up deceived and deluded because their hearts have not
let Christ in, and He is not reigning on the throne of their lives, having
cleansed and purified them. Everything flows from the heart, and the
Holy Spirit ministering to us. Amen.
I truly do not understand this, or fantastic frustration.
I have seen people not involved in discussion but attempted demolition.
And this is the point, in part. If we could not challenge one another about
issues we care about, why discuss at all. And in discussion things change,
insights arise, we can move forward in Christ.
I have to laugh, because some do not believe I know Christ at all, but then
that illuminates bias and experience, over what we are in Jesus. We tend to
rationalise after events and invent theories to explain what is going on.
My number 1 theory, is with a purified heart, we will see God.
And so many end up deceived and deluded because their hearts have not
let Christ in, and He is not reigning on the throne of their lives, having
cleansed and purified them. Everything flows from the heart, and the
Holy Spirit ministering to us. Amen.
Yes we owe it all to him.
Without him we are nothing.
I would say that the only thing that bars is from heaven is unbelief in Jesus, the Son of God who died and rose again for the forgiveness of our sins in order to reconcile us to the Father.
When we place faith in him then we will want to be like him.
We will bear fruit and do good works as a result of that fruit.
We will have good works and bad works.
Such works will be judged yet we will still be saved.
Without him we are nothing.
I would say that the only thing that bars is from heaven is unbelief in Jesus, the Son of God who died and rose again for the forgiveness of our sins in order to reconcile us to the Father.
When we place faith in him then we will want to be like him.
We will bear fruit and do good works as a result of that fruit.
We will have good works and bad works.
Such works will be judged yet we will still be saved.
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why does it say in matthew 27:44 they both reviled Jesus, but in luke one of them is repentant?
i googled the explanation but its laughable, it said that first both reviled but then later one changed. if that was the case they would of recorded such important detail in matthew.
another explanation i found is that its sarcasm.
does anyoen have a good explanation for this?
i googled the explanation but its laughable, it said that first both reviled but then later one changed. if that was the case they would of recorded such important detail in matthew.
another explanation i found is that its sarcasm.
does anyoen have a good explanation for this?